Author Topic: Hidden Lake Academy - ORS Reports (Read 14492 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #90 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:17:42 PM »

The ORS was issuing HLA probationary and temporary licenses in 6 months increments -

TheWho · « **Reply #91 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:47:09 PM »

Yes , unfortunately, it usually takes the leverage of a lawyer to get anything done. It makes a little more sense that the documents cover a much wider time period. As far as being forced into being licensed I wouldn’t be too hard on them for that. No one (even the best) wants to be placed under a watchful eye or be forced to conform to anothers standards. Most of us consider ourselves to be good drivers and wouldn’t volunteer to get a drivers license unless there were some type of incentive or we were forced to.
I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.

Oh and thanks for taking the time to gather, consolidate and post the information Jill. Many of us appreciate it.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #92 on:** July 30, 2009, 07:45:38 PM »

Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.

As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.

While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.

Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.

Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?

TheWho · « **Reply #93 on:** July 30, 2009, 08:28:50 PM »

Quote from: "RobertBruce"

Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.

As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.

While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.

Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.

Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?

Bruce, I would just give it up. Thewho isnt going to respond to you until you get your posts strung together. As another poster mentioned if you really do only have 5 guest posts why not just get them strung together? It isnt any work for you, why not just do it? It does seem like you are hiding something by not getting it done.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #94 on:** July 30, 2009, 08:40:27 PM »

You think so John? Tell me something. Are you afraid you'll actually have to own up to having your post strung together once my five are added to the pot? Or are you just employing your usual MO and scared of answering a couple of questions.

Anything to avoid accountablily eh John? I'm still not letting you off the hook though. Why not try answering the questions put in front of you? Why not accept the fact that youve again been exposed as the liar you are? Why not try to accept some respondsibility for once in your wasted little life? See how it feels John. It might help you out considerably. You've already had a wife and a son commit suicide in an effort to get away from you. How many more people have to die before you see the light?

Anonymous · « **Reply #95 on:** July 30, 2009, 08:43:10 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.

As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.

While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.

Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.

Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?

Bruce, I would just give it up. Thewho isnt going to respond to you until you get your posts strung together. As another poster mentioned if you really do only have 5 guest posts why not just get them strung together? It isnt any work for you, why not just do it? It does seem like you are hiding something by not getting it done.

Can we get Antigen to say, here, publicly, that Bruce does not have any guest posts?

Then, (not that it is not indisputable already) it will be indisputable that the only reason theIt does not want its posts tied to it, is that it is ashamed of them? And It does not want its duplicity corroberated?

thanks!

Anonymous · « **Reply #96 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:10:04 PM »

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Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)

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It was not '1000 'children transported for mental health - a (1013) is a code for "cop down" or "policeman down"... I put a (1013 with a question mark) for mental health transport against ones will, CHILD DOWN. Chris Allen was the only one left at the time to authorize the children's transport to a mental health facility. I assumed it would be understood.

Anonymous · « **Reply #97 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:16:04 PM »

Sorry I forgot to place this in quotes above..my above post is in answer to

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I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.

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Anonymous · « **Reply #98 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:13:33 AM »

This is what I wrote towards the end of my post:
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)

This was part of a reply:

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I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.

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II. DEFINITIONS:
Licensed Mental Health Professional: A mental health professional who holds a license that
authorizes him/her to complete an Emergency Admission Certificate (Form 1013). Current
Georgia statutes authorize physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers, and clinical nurse
specialists in psychiatric/mental health to certify emergency admissions.

For you to understand what a "1013" is in reference to a patient, in these cases, children that were "1013'nd" at HLA. Not 1,000 children transported for mental health. If you are referring children to these places you should know this.

Troll Control · « **Reply #99 on:** July 31, 2009, 05:09:45 PM »

He knows this. He's just trying to make you look like you're lying. Thanks for taking you time to respond and shed some light on the situation. Obviously, TheWho is just trying to make smoke screens for HLA.

Troll Control · « **Reply #100 on:** July 31, 2009, 05:12:22 PM »

Quote from: "Jill Ryan"

You are way off with regard to HLA and the State agencies. Buccellato's 'kingdom' extends far beyond Hidden Lake Road... The ORS investigator/surveyor D.G., in her own writing in the ORS documents quoted LCSO(Lumpkin County Sheriiff, stating how 'political' this was and how well connected Buccellato was in Atlanta. Clearly what LCSO recalled to the ORS surveyor exhibited alarming i9nconsistencies regarding incidents that took place(per HLA staff, parents and children) Nice. SACS certification is a joke....Buccellato is allowed to choose who visits the school from SACS, he did, all four of them, including one from St. Francis...old friends. SACS did nothing either. SACS requirements state their must be a science lab and that cross utilization of teachers is prohibited without SACS approval upon notification. There was no science lab, no mobile lab as Joe Farrell of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" stated HLA pruchased(letters ORS doc), and cross utilization of teachers was rampant without notification.
The Psychology Board was notified regarding Buccellato's breach of ethics(also in ORS documents, they did not report him) and did nothing. The Georgia State GAO (Tobin McDaniel) according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball...or was 'told' to ,who knows at this point. The 2002 IRS investigation, the agent was pulled off the case, but was close... The State Attorney Generals office was notified, but they said they could do nothing because they protect agencies in the State of Georgia like the ORS. I was told by the AG's office, off the record to go to the media. The Federal GAO investigators found a vile den, but have no prosecutorial powers, again they said they could only make recommendations. The Governor sent the letters he received to the ORS... and this writer is sure more than a few, wanted this situation to go away. In an ORS email amongst themselves, to paraphrase, the ORS was concerned that this investigation had to be on the mark in all areas, no mistakes, thorough, alluding to Buccellato's connections. The agencies are not and have not been accountable, except to cover for themselves and each other. I have stated time and again, what transpired among all these agencies, including Quirk and Quirk(Joe Farrell) is criminal. If "Quirk and Quirk" was aware of the untruths they were spewing on behalf of their client Buccellato to the agencies and families, their license to practice law should be revoked. Their direct line to now reitred Lumpkin County Judge was totally unethical re: cease and desist letters literally signed overnight. The only one left is Federal Attorney General Nahmias - but as I stated before, his spouse was or still is with King and Spalding - a possible conflict of interest.
So, the agencies are useless because to step up to the plate they would have to admit legal liability if not criminal liability. The ORS has something in common with Joe Farrell, their track record covering up for HLA in their answers to complaint letters since HLA's INCEPTION, is a disgrace, those are in the documents,too.

^^The Truth^^ for a change. What Jill enumerates about HLA and GA state agencies show that TheWho has no idea what he's talking about, as usual.

TheWho · « **Reply #101 on:** July 31, 2009, 05:32:37 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

He knows this. He's just trying to make you look like you're lying. Thanks for taking you time to respond and shed some light on the situation. Obviously, TheWho is just trying to make smoke screens for HLA.

Yeah just like the way thewho exposed the smoke screen that people here were trying to sell the idea that "HLA failed all of the inspection points". Nice try Guest..... You failed to mention HLA passed their State license inspection with flying colors and only had 6 issues... mostly paperwork glitches. Whoops, You forgot that it goes both ways sometimes doesnt it..Ha,Ha,Ha.

See, perfect example. Why would you create a lie to make a place look bad? Why not fight them with truths?

RobertBruce · « **Reply #102 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:15:15 PM »

Passed with flying colors? Then why weren't they taken off their conditional license?

Why were they given 30 days to correct all their violations (you use the word discrepancy but anyone who can read knows what they really are)?

Why didn't they meet those obligations?

Why are they currently operating under an expired license?

Anonymous · « **Reply #103 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:20:25 PM »

Quote from: "Jill Ryan"

This is what I wrote towards the end of my post:
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)

This was part of a reply:
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I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
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II. DEFINITIONS:
Licensed Mental Health Professional: A mental health professional who holds a license that
authorizes him/her to complete an Emergency Admission Certificate (Form 1013). Current
Georgia statutes authorize physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers, and clinical nurse
specialists in psychiatric/mental health to certify emergency admissions.

For you to understand what a "1013" is in reference to a patient, in these cases, children that were "1013'nd" at HLA. Not 1,000 children transported for mental health. If you are referring children to these places you should know this.

Jill, none of you quotes show up on screen. Is this just my computer or are other people seeing her quoted material?

Anonymous · « **Reply #104 on:** July 31, 2009, 11:03:09 PM »

Less thread derailment, more massive excerpts.

People, it's going to spew bullshit no matter what. Talking to it is a complete waste of time. There is no purpose whatsoever that can be served by acknowledging its existence. Focus on ripping Len Buccellato's shit. Phone calls to ORS, for example, might be happy and fun.

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