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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 10:45:11 AM »
::OMG::  ::puke::

Wow...that is really, really sad.  




It has been a little less than four years since the troubles really began with Katie. Therapy, three inpatient trips to local hospital teen programs, the summer with her mother, and then moving her to the school. Ups and downs there, but most of it being her resistance to the program - she is nothing if not stubborn.

Diane and I were given a great gift in the adult seminars, graduating Discovery, Focus, and the Keys to Success to become Keyholders, though because the actual 'keys' are now given out only at PC IV we will never receive ours. Giving her brothers the opportunity to go to Discovery, and Focus for the younger ones (coming up next month at the Youth Leadership Camp they will be attending) will, I hope, help them as they get older.  Ugh, I think I'm gonna be sick.  They put the younger siblings through shit like Discovery?  Assholes.

I do believe that Katie would have only have gotten in more trouble had we not sent her to the program. I do fear that she would have gotten pregnant, and probably gotten into drugs, as well as much more alcohol. And she could have ended up dead. Jeeez, this kid wasn't even doing drugs.

Have we stopped that? I dunno. Postponed it definitely. We have tried to give her tools to live her life, and she has fought us on that. She will not graduate the program, but that is her choice. She will have spent exactly 34 months there when I pick her up - not the longest stay by any means, but way past any 'average', if that existed.

I hope that someone has been able to benefit from my ramblings here. I have tried to be open and honest about what we are going through - just for other parents who might be going through the same thing. I plan to continue to update this, though I don't know the frequency (and eventually she will be on her own, one way or another, and there will be nothing left on my part but the worrying).

So thanks to anyone who has joined us for this journey, and it continues on.
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Firming up plans
I bought the airline tickets yesterday to go pick up Katie. While not the appropriate blog for it, I am amazed at how some airlines price things - wanting to charge more for a one-way ticket than for a roundtrip!

Anyway, I fly out on July 22nd and back with her on the 23rd. Our flight out of Las Vegas is at 3, and it is a two hour drive (plus time change in our favor), so we will have to be out of there no later than noon, preferably by 11:00 am. Since I get in early enough to actually get some sleep (I get into Vegas a little afte 2 on Tuesday, putting me in Utah easily by 6 (as opposed to getting in at 12:30 am as one flight had it - putting me in Utah just in time for dawn!)) then I can be at the school first thing - I'm not sure how long it will take. So the countdown begins. 15 days until she turns 18, 35 days until she is home.

One thing we have to do is get them an exit plan for when she turns 18 - if she decides to just up an leave. We don't want to tell her we are picking her up - but I really don't want to end up having to get last minute bus tickets a week before the flight, and waste the airline tickets.

We have to get her room ready - her older brother is in it for the summer, and we need to clean his stuff out and make room for her. He moves into an apartment in August, so will have about three weeks of bunking with his younger brother.

This is going to take some adjustment. She hasn't lived at home since she left in May of 2005 - she will have been gone (except for one week) for 38 months, 34 of them in the program). A cost of roughly $150K. And that doesn't include any of the travel or seminar costs for Diane and I. A big part of me wonders if it was worth it. Is worth it - I'll be paying on the student loans for the next 30 years - which is basically the rest of my life. But I guess the real question is what would have happened if we hadn't done this?  Your daughter would have grown up, like most kids.
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Monday, June 02, 2008
Change in plans / expectations
After our call with 'S' last week, Diane and I have talked a bit. It really looks like that we won't be doing PC III in June, and I'm feeling now that even if she were to make level 4 I don't want her special case'd in. I think that she has gotten all she is going to get out of the school. One more month won't make any difference, except for costing us money we truly don't have.

So we are going to talk to 'B' on Thursday as normal, but our plans have changed. Katie turns 18 a month from tomorrow. We are paid up through July 22nd - but we are probably going to go get her the weekend before that. I just don't see where spending another 4200 bucks for another month will make any difference - and we can use that to instead actually play for the tickets out there to get her, as well as get her a new wardrobe (she has lost 30 lbs, and it has been three years since she was home, so when we cleaned out her room we basically didn't keep ANY of her old clothes (or much of anything else)).

I'm a bit bothered that Diane and I will never receive our Keys as Keyholders since they have now moved that to PC IV, but there is absolutely nothing I can do about that either.

We talked with one of our keys family members this weekend whose son graduated from another school, and that helped a bit as well. So it looks like probably 7 weeks to go. Of course that assumes she doesn't decide to walk out on her birthday, but I don't see that happening. If she does, it will be a bus ticket home for her, but otherwise pretty much the same plan.

We are going to work up a contract, and will make it clear that she can either follow our rules or live somewhere else. There will be some simple no-tolerance points (such as violence, cutting, etc), but it is the little ones that are more difficult that we need to work on the next few weeks.
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Friday, May 23, 2008
It doesn't seem to be getting any easier
I've been very frustrated lately. Katie is still not working like she should, and it has been 32 months as of today. She, of course, doesn't know that she only has three months left there before all our money is gone.

Right now it really looks like we will be going to PC III in June, though she won't have fully earned it. To fully earn it she has to be level 5 by next week, and she is still at 3. However when we talked with 'B' last night before she was on the call he said that it would probably be much better for us to do it in June instead of August, as if we did it in August then we would bring her home immediately afterward, which would not be good.

I haven't been writing much ( and haven't gotten many letters either), and again she called me on that. I'm bothered, both by the fact that I am not wanting to write much, and by the idea of her calling me on this, when she has been sitting there for so long.

At one point she asked about my expectations, and I said that I gave up any expectations long ago - letting this be her program. It came through that any expectations had been missed quite some time ago though. She is getting real concerned about turning 18, and asked what our plans were. In response I simply asked if I had every said anything to her other than that she has to graduate, and she said no.

I'm a bit concerned about her coming home, but it is still three months off, and I haven't really worked it up in my head yet. Her older brother moves into his first apartment the weekend before that.

To top things off, it appears that AirTran has stopped their non-stop flights between Dayton and Vegas - which is a real bummer, because that means the airline tickets we are going to need for that this summer may be twice as much as we were expecting - could be close to a thousand for a pair - OUCH!!!
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Thursday, May 08, 2008
Another heavy sigh
We had our call with Katie and B again tonight, and unfortunately it wasn't a good or happy one. She is once again not working, and once again falling into the same old patterns. It gets very frustrating dealing with the same thing over and over again.

The irony is that it isn't big things, but her responses to them. She now claims to be writing a novel - which is an excuse to not be working. She tried to manipulate several people today in order to check out a book from the library, after she had already gone for the day. Dumb, stupid little things. And then denying she did them.

*sigh*
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 11:21:59 AM »
Katie had taken level 2 on Monday, without support. She is allowed to do that, but he wanted to give her a bit of a reality check. She thought she met all but one of the requirements. He went around the group, and had each girl list the requirements, if they supported her on it, and if not, why not. Pretty rude awakening for her - as there there 3 of the 11 requirements that she had no support at all - none of the 16 girls. A couple she had full support of, a few that were a bit mixed, and the rest were generally not supported. Then we left immediately after group, but not before giving the girls a lot of hugs - most of them wanted 'mom' hugs from Diane - basically having her stand in as a surrogate for their own mothers.    :-
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 11:45:57 AM »
I think my favourite is the part where Katie comes home, and the parents discover that 34 months in Cross Creek Manor didn't make their child more socially mature-- just the opposite.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:46:24 AM »
This is great.  It is interesting getting a parents perspective.  It is more stressful on the family than I had originally thought.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 11:57:47 AM »
I've heard the advise before, and given it myself many times, but so often we forget this in the middle of a crisis, or when we are overwhelmed. Just Breathe. In and Out. A couple of deep breaths and everything becomes much clearer……..

I finally get my first letter from Katie. Very brief, but filled with a bunch of attempts to induce guilt. Lines like "I guess now you can have a happier time with your wife" - made me want to tear my heart out, and at the same time made me angry at the manipulation I felt behind it. It is also very frustrating that letters take a week to get here - this was dated 9/24 - the day after she arrived. It will be really hard to keep up any kind of corespondence with that big of gaps in it.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 01:14:45 PM »
If you took the time to read that blog, you are a loser who will forever be trapped within the constraints of your self imposed victimhood.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 01:39:36 PM »
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If you took the time to read that blog, you are a loser who will forever be trapped within the constraints of your self imposed victimhood.

You should step back a bit and look at the larger picture.  This is a family issue, not just Katies or the parents.  You will never understand any of this until you let go of the need to take sides.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 05:21:47 PM »
I can't stomach reading too much of this garbage, but it looks like they indoctrinated her into Mormonism.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 05:38:44 PM »
CAN SOME OF US CONTACT THESE PARENTS PLEASE!!!!
PARTICULARLY A WWASP SURIVOR!!!!!!!!
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 06:43:06 PM »
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CAN SOME OF US CONTACT THESE PARENTS PLEASE!!!!
PARTICULARLY A WWASP SURIVOR!!!!!!!!

did anyone contact them? Or did people just bitch?
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 01:36:44 AM »
well what exactly would we say?

the litersture is out there, at this point its hard for me to imagine a parent who would send their child to a private prison despite the fact that the girl doesnt do drugs, will be willing to listen to reason. I can try, but I can also promise that we will hear all the same excuses wev'e heard time and time again and they will just run back to the program which will make a concerted effort to discredit anything I say to them.

I actually didnt read this blog so anyone want to provide cliff notes?
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 12:09:35 PM »
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I actually didnt read this blog so anyone want to provide cliff notes?

I read it....typical teenager stuff...IMHO
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »
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I actually didnt read this blog so anyone want to provide cliff notes?

I read it....typical teenager stuff...IMHO

It shows the parents point of view during the time a child is in a program.  I find it interesting, I am still reading it.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 01:23:51 PM »
Katie is in Orange - basically orange colored scrubs to designate the lowest and most restrictive level. She is not allowed to talk to anyone else in orange, and must be with a buddy at all times. She scared her 'hope buddy' (another, higher level girl) by not responding at all (the older girl had this happen with another girl who had actually gone catatonic - so this really upset her), so Katie is on 'staff buddy' - meaning she has to have a staff member present with her at all times.



This didn't seem to set off any alarms.
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