lon woodberrry- this is the enemy. And they're striking back

[Anonymous]

Monday, October 15, 2007
Core Solutions Takes Proactive Stand
October 14, 2007



In light of the recent Congressional Hearing, Core Solutions is taking a proactive stand to work in alliance with Schools and Programs intent on being viewed as Family Friendly, transparent in its day-to-day operations, and working in concert with the parents they serve.

The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further empower and rally the support of your families. Their voices need to be heard and their stories told. They are your strength, your strongest ally and are the evidence of your true and honest intent.

Some key areas of value that our Bulletin Board services will provide to your Program:



A private secured online Bulletin Board system customized specifically for your program, available 24/7; includes regular monitoring to preserve the integrity of your School's Community.

The Schools are viewed as running a transparent program; no shroud of secrecy.

Viewed as a Family Friendly program. Your Bulletin Board quickly enhances and expands the family component of your program, providing a way for your families to tightly team with you for the true intent of actual family healing, not just treating their child.

Each Board reflects the individual branding of that Facility, i.e.: colors, logo, feel and they develop their own Facility Culture.

The overall Board culture reinforces the need for following program guidelines, graduation, and family involvement in order to make the changes needed for when their child returns home and to support their child's changes.

We have a very reputable reference list that you are welcome to contact.

A private, secure online central location to post Parent Manuals, Photos, News Articles, Research, Training and Resource Information, up-to-date notices about the Facility, Staff, returning graduate visits, upcoming events, family weekends, graduations, and showcase accomplishments, academic info, etc.

Economical for the Facilities, as we handle the training, monitoring, registrations, invites, terminations, and technical issues 365 days a year, including 'after hours'.

Our streamlined proven Bulletin Board system eliminates the learning curve of getting an online Community going for the families, and helping a program make it work for them.

The Administration will gain solid feedback on the effectiveness and dependability about Staff and program outcome.

Be Prepared. A functional Bulletin Board is the quickest, most efficient and effective way to become part of the solution by having a communication system that will aid your program in being prepared in all areas for the upcoming Congressional Hearing.



There are two things that are here to stay: technology and parent's needs. However, due to the unique nature of our industry, it takes much more then technical know-how to make a Bulletin Board work effectively and productively for a program. It's not just about setting a system up. It's about how to make that system work in sync with the goals and vision of the program. How to create unity and teamwork. We know how to make your Bulletin Board Service help communication with your parents, so that it doesn't work against you. It's the combined background of the Core Solutions Team - our experience and dedication to the family healing industry - that marries the two successfully!

Recognizing every private entity in the family healing field has an obligation and responsibility to be part of the solution, Core Solutions is willing to be the first contributor by offering a rate reduction through November 20th, 2007. Contact www.CoreBB.com to learn more.

Posted by CoreBB at 11:04 AM

[Anonymous]

The Schools are viewed as running a transparent program; no shroud of secrecy.

I don't usually wish for competent enemies, but this is fish-and-barrel shit.

How can they be "transparent" if you need to be logged in to see anything and said logins are niggardly handed out?

I keep hoping that Randall is going to wake up one morning and be like "Why the fuck am I supporting this bullshit?", and proceed to post ALL his boards to some public place, preferably Fornits.

Just upload the SQL exports, Randall; I'll take it from there.

[Anonymous]

this is the part that scares me:


The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further empower and rally the support of your families. Their voices need to be heard and their stories told. They are your strength, your strongest ally and are the evidence of your true and honest intent.

[Oz girl]

I don't think this is anything to be scared about i have heard from many who say this industry is great. Kids as well as parents. But while in the case of kids I appreciate their view It is also not hard to see that  the incarceration without trial factor is their no matter how "lifesaving" it is. Moreover no amount of life affirming stories can override the fact that the most "respectable" places and companies have death counts and credible allegations of abuse.  So I think the damning testimony of those first 3 families will outway the arguments that tough love is a good thing. Perhaps when the actual therapies are described in detail eithr from kids hurt or families in favour the truly toxic nature of this industry will become clear

[TheWho]

I don't think this is anything to be scared about i have heard from many who say this industry is great. Kids as well as parents. But while in the case of kids I appreciate their view It is also not hard to see that  the incarceration without trial factor is their no matter how "lifesaving" it is. Moreover no amount of life affirming stories can override the fact that the most "respectable" places and companies have death counts and credible allegations of abuse.  So I think the damning testimony of those first 3 families will outway the arguments that tough love is a good thing. Perhaps when the actual therapies are described in detail eithr from kids hurt or families in favour the truly toxic nature of this industry will become clear

I think we can be certain of 2 things:

1.    The GAO investigation will result in some action being taken (they always do)
2.   The GAO investigation will not result in shutting down the industry (because there is a need and they would have to come up with alternate proposals on what to do with the kids, which isn’t their strength or area).

There is no need to worry, the GAO will cut thru all the crap and get to the truth.  Cleaning house today wont fool anyone, they will be interviewing kids and adults alike.  They will be looking at the abuse and safety allegations and will try to determine where specifically these problems areas are (i.e wilderness programs, TBS, boot camps, juvy prisons etc.).  If kids were put in harm’s way, do to untrained staff or outdated procedures, then they will more than likely recommend regulation which will mandate and define minimum staff requirements and layout procedures.

I don’t think you will see them suggesting that kids get their own cell phones and be able to receive unsecured packages in the mail or try to define “tough loveâ€

[Anonymous]

I don’t think you will see them . . . try to define “tough loveâ€

[Anonymous]

And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.

Oz girl

[TheWho]

And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.

Oz girl

I didnt say I didnt think it should be defined... I dont think you will see it as a result of the investigation.  The investigation may suggest that "Tough love" be defined and then a panel of shrinks will be assembled and will agree on a working model in a decade or 2.. but I dont see anything immediate.  I may be wrong but I see a shake up of the industry coming which will only affect the more abusive (2%) of the industry.



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[TheWho]

And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.

Oz girl

When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send?  Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?"  Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2?  or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?

There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.




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[Ursus]

A private secured online Bulletin Board system customized specifically for your program, available 24/7; includes regular monitoring to preserve the integrity of your School's Community...

There are two things that are here to stay: technology and parent's needs. However, due to the unique nature of our industry, it takes much more then technical know-how to make a Bulletin Board work effectively and productively for a program. It's not just about setting a system up. It's about how to make that system work in sync with the goals and vision of the program. How to create unity and teamwork. We know how to make your Bulletin Board Service help communication with your parents, so that it doesn't work against you. It's the combined background of the Core Solutions Team - our experience and dedication to the family healing industry - that marries the two successfully!

...About Core Solutions:
Core Solutions is known for their successful, affordable private and secure online parent bulletin board service, customized for individual programs, Ed Consultant Groups and other professional organizations.

Please visit www.CoreBB.com to learn more.

I wonder if these people are the ones who are running Elan's BB/"forum" (accessible through Elan's website)?

[Anonymous]

And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.

Oz girl

When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send?  Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?"  Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2?  or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?

There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
...

There has been two known deaths at SUWS. It is not possible to find out how many they have settled out of court.

Gregory Owen Jones - aged 13 - died July 3 - 1985
Rocco Magliozzi - aged 12 - died July 2006

Another program, Aspen Achievement Academy, had a death in april where the staff did not discover a boy trying to hang himself before it was too late. The boy was very depressed and his only crime was that he morned his late brother without being able to progress in life. This death was confirmed in Salt Lake Tribune in relationship with the GAO hearings. Also Aspen Achievement Academy had suffered deaths in the previous years - even rapes and riots.

As for the streets - a lot of adult are loosing their lives every day. Why do we not detain all drivers with license?

[Botched Programming]

When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send?  Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?"  Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2?  or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?

There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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Justification and Rationalization....... Tools of the industry..... Pro-Program propaganda.

[TheWho]

As for the streets - a lot of adult are loosing their lives every day. Why do we not detain all drivers with license?

Exactly and kids too.  Kids are dying in public schools, on buses, in church, in cars.  Where do we start?

You make a valid point.

[Anonymous]

Are you actually trying to justify deaths by saying they would have died anyway or it  was random:question:  :question:  :question:

Kids do not spontaneously keel over and die:exclaim:  :exclaim:

I'm glad I found this website before I did anything.

[TheWho]

Are you actually trying to justify deaths by saying they would have died anyway or it  was random:question:  :question:  :question:

Kids do not spontaneously keel over and die:exclaim:  :exclaim:

I'm glad I found this website before I did anything.

I think the point is “Where do we put our energy and resourcesâ€