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« on: August 30, 2007, 09:11:27 AM »
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=276757#276757

August 21, 2007
The National Association Of Therapeutic Schools and Programs ("NATSAP") members across the United States are saddened by the shocking instance of abuse reported in today's ABC News story entitled "Boot Camp Pastor Charged in Girl's Dragging."

The National Association Of Therapeutic Schools and Programs ("NATSAP") members across the United States are saddened by the shocking instance of abuse reported in the ABC News story entitled "Boot Camp Pastor Charged in Girl's Dragging" (available at http://abcnews.go.com). Jan Moss, Executive Director of NATSAP says this report again points out the need for state licensure and oversight of the programs and schools that serve our struggling young people.

[Why not start with your own programs? So that's where NATSAP draws the line? It's okey dokey to abuse/neglect kids, but no dragging behind a vehicle.... that just crosses the line. Hard to defend. None of the favorite excuses can be applied. In order to be a NATSAP member a program must be more discrete with their abuse. :rofl: ]

"Our association and its members are supportive of all efforts to eliminate every so-called boot camp or other 'tough love' program that does not use a therapeutic milieu in working with adolescents," Moss says. "We continue to work with state and federal lawmakers and agencies to encourage, establish and strengthen state laws and regulations to protect children in need of out-of-home placement."

[Hmm. You advocated for self-regulation in Montana. You lobbied against a law that would protect kids being 'escorted' to programs. Some of the most heinous abuses have happened in your programs' "therapeutic milieus". "Therapeutic" abuse is somehow more acceptable?]

The NATSAP board of directors urges all parents and guardians who are seeking specialized help for their child to visit the organization's website, www.natsap.org, for important information regarding the selection of a program or school. NATSAP members ascribe to high ethical standards and principles of good practice, in addition to their licensure and accreditation requirements.

[Parents should check at Fornits, ISAC, HEAL, and google the program name for independent blogs where they'll get the 'hard truth' about the program they're considering and the industry in general. Buyer Beware. Your "high ethical standards/principles" are useless and have no teeth. Who investigates/sanctions your members?]

NATSAP extends its sincere sympathies to this young woman and any child or family who have experienced abuse or neglect in a facility reportedly designed to heal.

[NATSAP attempts to set themselves apart from non-member programs and capitalize on this young woman's tragedy.]
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 02:30:17 PM »
They're pull'in an Izzy/Sue...
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 02:38:07 PM »
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They're pull'in an Izzy/Sue...


"NATSAP says this report again points out the need for state licensure and oversight of the programs and schools that serve our struggling young people.
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I dont understand, isnt it good that we push for oversight?  You dont believe that licensing or oversight would have helped this child?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 03:02:53 PM »
They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 03:33:50 PM »
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They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.

In theory:  What's their problem?  We only want change.   ::seg::
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 03:46:01 PM »
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Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.
In theory:  What's their problem?  We only want change.   ::seg::
::eek3::
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 03:54:31 PM »
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They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.


Not true Hanzo:

Effective May 1, 2007, all programs applying for membership in NATSAP must meet the
following requirements:
1. www.natsap.org[/url]).


When I worked briefly in contract negotiations when we were trying to offset a “strikeâ€
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 04:09:45 PM »
Listen, The Who...

  ::deal::  ...Let me show you some wilderness property you might be interested in investing in... We've already got 700 acres of back water material up near Eustis, Maine, but we're aiming to buy more.  Lichfield's recent financial contributions to the Republican Party have given us tremendous hope that we can make Maine the next great Character Development destination.  Tourists have always been great suckers for the pristine, unspoiled wilderness that Maine has to offer.  We'd just like to expand of their interpretation of that, Har! Har!

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2007, 04:24:13 PM »
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Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.


Not true Hanzo:

Effective May 1, 2007, all programs applying for membership in NATSAP must meet the
following requirements:
1. www.natsap.org[/url]).


When I worked briefly in contract negotiations when we were trying to offset a “strikeâ€
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2007, 04:38:31 PM »
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Listen, The Who...

  ::deal::  ...Let me show you some wilderness property you might be interested in investing in... We've already got 700 acres of back water material up near Eustis, Maine, but we're aiming to buy more.  Lichfield's recent financial contributions to the Republican Party have given us tremendous hope that we can make Maine the next great Character Development destination.  Tourists have always been great suckers for the pristine, unspoiled wilderness that Maine has to offer.  We'd just like to expand of their interpretation of that, Har! Har!

Joe Almighty, The Educator




Cool, is that where you are from?  I fish for Brook trout in Spencer stream which is just south of Flagstaff lake.  It may be closer to Bigelow but my brothers place is in Eustis.  Ever get down to Rangeley?
Ever drive out to The “Brickyardâ€
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2007, 04:55:00 PM »
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Cool, is that where you are from?  I fish for Brook trout in Spencer stream which is just south of Flagstaff lake.  It may be closer to Bigelow but my brothers place is in Eustis.  Ever get down to Rangeley?
Ever drive out to The “Brickyardâ€
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2007, 05:05:01 PM »
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Quote from: "TheWho"
Cool, is that where you are from?  I fish for Brook trout in Spencer stream which is just south of Flagstaff lake.  It may be closer to Bigelow but my brothers place is in Eustis.  Ever get down to Rangeley?
Ever drive out to The “Brickyardâ€
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2007, 05:32:14 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
They actively fight regulations, they only uses issues like this to self promote their member schools as the answer. Ya see they only want money not change.

Not true Hanzo:

Effective May 1, 2007, all programs applying for membership in NATSAP must meet the
following requirements:
1. http://www.natsap.org/program_details.asp?id=11[/url]
Who enforces those regulations, Who?  Benchmark violated them...  What are the "consequences."

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2. Therapeutic services with www.natsap.org[/url]).[/i]


Compliance is based on the "Honor System."

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 06:04:27 PM »
NATSAP is basically a listing resource, they don’t control what any of the programs do but they strive to make a positive effect on the industry.  Earlier this year they raised the bar on membership requiring the schools to be accredited and have oversight.  In 20 years who knows maybe schools wont even be able to set up shop without their recommendation but for now they are building on qualifications for membership and starting to grow teeth little by little.

As NATSAP gains more and more credibility they will have more of a say and be able to have more of a positive effect on the industry.
Its not a bad thing to want these schools to be accredited and have oversight.  Fornits used to push for this themselves not too long ago.  I am still on the fence on this whole oversight/accreditation.  It doesn’t seem to improve the state run boot camps at all, but I guess we will see.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 06:32:01 PM »
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NATSAP is basically a listing resource, they don’t control what any of the programs do but they strive to cover up as much abuse as they can.  Earlier this year they lowered the bar on membership making up accreditations and oversight. In 20 years who knows maybe these hellholes won't fucking exist but for now these idiots are getting as many shitheads as they can for membership while getting their few remaining teeth kicked out by the GAO.

As NATSAP loses more and more credibility they will have less of a say and won't be able to keep covering up abuse.
Its not a bad thing to want these shitpits to be accredited and have oversight, if that's done from real government agencies, but of course I'm not interested in that.  Fornits used to push for this themselves until they realized that it was fake as hell.  I am still on the fence on this whole oversight/accreditation with a fencepost forced squarely up my ass.  It doesn’t seem to improve anything, like I care about that.


LIKE ELIMINATING GILLED CREATURES IN A ROUND WOODEN CONTAINER.
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