Why Psy, are we cross? It seems to me that we both continue to use the same types of arguments with each other. You claim to be the victim of an unfair legal system that allows individuals to file frivilous lawsuits without justification. Trust me, HLA knows how you feel.
He doesn't seem to be playing the victim card the way HLA is. I think he understood when he took this on that you guys wouldn't exactly be happy with what was posted here and would try and shut it down. He's taken it as an opportunity to bring to light the truth about HLA and the rest of the teen industry. You're helping so much more than you know.
HLA, OTOH, is scared. They know they've got secrets and they know they're leaking out. The ship is sinking, the rats are scurrying and you're here trying to do damage control. That's very different that what Fornits or Psy is going through.
Yet, HLA stood its ground took its knocks and saw the issue through. It eventually paid off because the system does work. You may never get to go to court and be proven to have done no wrong. The American legal system doesn't do that. All they can say is that you haven't done what your accused of doing. Not that you are blameless. Thus you may have to throw a few dollars at the frivilous individuals who file the suits just to get them to go away. Leaving the country is not the answer.
The frivolous missing horses? The frivolous fire investigation? Gonna comment on those yet or continue to ignore them in a vain attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that you guys are SCREWED..
Psy, this is where all of you come off as terrorists. I believe you are a marginalized group. I may be wrong. Maybe the vast majority of America would agree with what you say. However, the way you choose to get your message out there only further marginalizes your cause.
Here we go again. All you guys do this. You look at the few "nuts" (your characterization, not mine) and choose
those to respond to. You attribute a single person's post to Fornits as a whole. There are plenty of people here who have never made any threats, who have only asked questions and disagreed with what you say. You guys mostly ignore them and choose to deal only with the people you deem 'crazy' or 'over the top'. It's easy to cast a negative light on us as a whole by a few people's posts. It allows you to dismiss what is actually being said.
It really doesn't matter if you offend me or the staff at HLA. We already found you offensive.
Yes it does because we get a kick out of it. We remember what it's like to be under the control of someone like you and yes, we rather enjoy seeing you get a taste of your own medicine. See, even then we knew that if the playing field was ever level, you guys wouldn't stand a chance. Apparently you knew that too and if you didn't, you sho is findin' out now, ain'tcha? ::roflmao::
But when you adopt a policy that offends those individuals you need for support you are cutting your own throat. What politician would take up your cause and run the risk of the average American looking at this site and the repulsive things said here? None. They would never be taken seriously because this site can't be taken seriously.
Do you seriously think we're counting on politicians to help us???
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: Hell, they're part of the damn problem. Fornits is outrageous enough that people come and take a look. Sure, some get turned off or away by some of the "unruly kids" (
I[/i] mean that affectionately
) but I guaran-damn-tee you they start googling around and searching out info on they're own without the blinders on. And actually, most of them are intelligent enough to look passed the juvy posts and look for the real content. I know you don't like to believe that, but it's true.
Now Psy, I no you feel very strongly about your cause. This is good so far as you have understood why you feel so strongly about it. I feel strongly about mine as well. Not because I have any vested interest in HLA, nor do I condone abuse and neglect of children. However, I have seen first hand the experiences at HLA and I can say emphatically that there is no abuse. Have you been there? Have you walked the campus? I doubt it.
Obviously we could debate the word abuse and a lot more, but what it boils down to is that HLA has used unproven and questionable techniques on kids under the guise of therapy, has employed under or unqualified staff to deal with both education and therapy, isolates kids, uses a level system and on and on. The same techniques that were used on many of us at various different programs. All of you think that it's ok to force someone into therapy. I mean, for their own good, right? Sometimes you
need to break a kid, for their own good, right? Forced or coerced therapy is an oxymoron. It can't happen. All it does is force someone to adopt a set of beliefs that they either
don't believe in or aren't ready to or install a false sense of morality.
You sound much more like Hitler and Ghandi. You seem to be suggesting that you are working to keep the free world free while they are expelling you wholesale from their countries. You don't represent their values. Frankly, it is to the benefit of all programs around the world that you remain marginalized. And you seem to be willing to do that without any outside assistance.
We (Fornits) may be marginalized, I don't know and I don't care. I don't expect anyone to take Fornits as the absolute be-all end-all on this twisted little industry. It's one cog in the wheel. We're a shock to the system, a jumpstart. People are gonna wonder why we're as crazy as we are. Then they're going to start looking around, as I said, without the "rose colored glasses' anymore. THAT is quite an awakending.
