Psy wrote: "a little more lsitening and a little less manipulating"... is that what you told your daughter as well.
Ah..the real Psy comes out,….More assumptions and “sharp stick” tactics to take the focus off yourself. This is why you need to mature a tad, Psy. This need to make personal attacks against me and my family because you are forced to live by your own rules, not a good sign.
The Amish thing was not a joke.
Okay but does it work? If it does, show us the evidence, maybe a control study from an independent source.
OOHHH.. so now YOU want proof when the situation is reversed. Proof that it works, not that it doesn't. The irony here ... it's .. well it's pretty fucking hilarious to me.
I don’t want to hear it from the Amish..it would be too bias, right? And don’t site me an independent research firm because they are all making a profit, doesn’t fly here on fornits.
The exorcism comment was simply to allude to the lack of evidence supporting the efficacy of programs (about as much).
So no evidence their either, that’s what I thought. So showing lack of evidence to show lack of evidence..Hmmm…might work someplace else?
You say: "prove it doesn't work!!!"…. you're putting the burden of proof on me…
Yes, that is what I hear every day…catch, your turn. Don’t tell me all kids are abused because you say you have been, you are only one person, just like I am only one parent. How could I possibly be representative of a majority? How can you be?
Nothing counts unless we all agree on the controlled study and nobody gets paid….
Are you trying to perform a controlled study on Fornits?
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Most program that are open now are only as good as they are young. 10 years ago, TB was given raving reviews, Western Samoa was a wonderful place to send the kids, and High Impact was just a fun wilderness experience. Give it time. Spin only lasts so long before people discover the truth.
So you site 2 places?
Actually, I cited three, one of which is still open, Tranquility Bay, of which a staff member, Randall Hinton, is on record stating that he peppersprayed a boy three times a day... Foreign soil.. Natives don't give a fuck about rich whilte kids. Here's one from the trekkers list... don't know if this made public: after a suicide by jumping from balcony (somehow got past bars), students were made to clean up the mess themselves with their towels.
Do I have to list every single facility that has been shut down during the past decade... Hmm.. The CEDU/Brown Schools (of which there are now clones all over)... The Straight Schools(of which there are clones as well)... Alldredge academy, renamed the Ayne institute the next day, retained it's public name... The Challenger series of wilderness programs (63days.com is a good educational resource)...
Hell... why not just cross em all off. Let me ask you a question: Do you have any examples of programs that have been around for 30 years or greater... But at the same time, keep in mind that CEDU was open for almost 40 years before the very consistent allegations of abuse started to be noticed.
Oh... but programs change.. really they do. Bullshit. I've talked with a woman who was in CEDU when it started, and the workshops, the raps, the work ethic... it was all identical. And I wasn't even in CEDU. I was in a CEDU clone, Benchmark, started by a Program Director, who gave birth to the bastard child known as Benchmark (Woodbury reports seal of approval TWICE... and they are in the parent empowerment handbook)...
The connections between IECA and NATSAP you ignore... The 100k contribution from Aspen to IECA, you ignore... The bidirectional ad-referrals you ignore (Benchmark refers to IECA, IECA refers to NATSAP schools, of which Benchmark is a member). NATSAP and IECA share board members, bla bla bla. Oh yeah. This is a real legitimate industry. Who the hell do you think you are fooling. They're different arms of the same institution. Staff transfer around, assured that once you're in the club, you got a job forever... You can even become an Ed-con, like Lon Woodbury did after RMA (defunct).
The industry has grown by over an order of magnitude since 1997 and schools that cant keep up or abuse kids are falling quickly by the wayside. We all know this, thousands of kids graduate and move on every year and how many end up not doing well?
Why Isn't Fornits teeming with happy program kids, reminiscing about the good old days, with the raps/groups, and the profeets/seminars and the bionergetics/motivating and the hard labor/work ethic and the consequences(punishment)... And the rules that never stood still...
It seems to me, that on an unmoderated forum, there would be more kids here saying "god... i loved the place", if it was true. You might argue that we drown them out.. but if there truly were more of "them", we would be the ones drowned out.
Betty sembler... she claims something like 15000 lives saved (sober, etc etc...). Go look at the straight forum. Pay special attention to the "I just" thread.
WWASP claims 95% sucess rate... nuf said there.
Benchmark claims 95% graduation rate (but not in writing)... Funny I've solicited for, but have not received one positive review, while I have gotten many survivors telling me how it's about time somebody stood up to take them out.
Again. I ask you: retract your accusation or quote me and cite sources.
No ….prove to me that providing a parent with statistical information to help their child in crisis is less important than a child telling their story on the internet, as you did earlier.
Statistical information... From what source data? Through what avenue do you intent on delivering your statistics to parents? Highest bidder? Or have you already been compensated?
Having you be the source of any type of statistical information, frankly, scares me... You giving information to parents, terrifies me.
But to get back on topic... and no.. you answer my question first since I asked it first...
Is it possible not to have a point of view? If you say yes, you're fooling yourself.. or brain dead (both are plausible in this case); however, a point of view is no reason to ban somebody, especially when it is presented in a respectful manner, and nobody is offended. You say "Not everyone was banned, just you and its because you were not helping with the situation or speaking on an adult level"[/u]... Support it if you can. But you can't. So you will change the subject, or leave out this portion of the message in your response.... maybe bring up the gorilla again.
Now this time, answer with specific quotations, and links to the source posts. Come on now. You aren't a computer novice. Copy and paste is really simple. Stop proving me right by continuing to ignore that which you cannot answer... you are never wrong are you...
If you use a mac: command(apple)+C = copy ; command(apple)+V = paste
if you use a pc: ctrl+c = copy ; ctrl+v = paste
