ned murray and fred thompson blew me off

[Silent1]

These idiots are just a few of the post grad memories that I have that make me hate parts of that place.

I met ned while I was working in Whistler and he was with his wife skiing. They came in for lunch, I was the grill cook and we chatted for a few minutes as I needed to get back to work, then we arranged to meet after for drinks, but he just blew me off after we set a time a place to meet. This was a total asshole move.
That just blows the trust I was forced on while I was at RMA.

The same event even happend again with Fred.He called me since he wanted to scam a place to stay for free, I waited for him at a hotel lobby to meet him for over 6 hours and he never showed.

Another RMA staff that pissed me off to no end and I really liked him when I was there.

Also Nicole rowl or Brian rowls wife now, former student with diffrent last name as a student, became a staff member, but she got so FAT and looking like caroline's twin. She would not even talk to me when I last visited the school, since she was so embarrased.


More and more I see the wrong that took place and all the things I trusted and took to hart are all lies and it really now hurts me.
I am no more a person with what I know about RMA now than before.

[Anonymous]

thats so sad...I think the children who get taken in and ultimately dissapointed(& dont become staff) in are the most tragic of all. Silent, when I read your posts instead of feeling angry which is what I usually feel at people claiming to be students who got something ut of cedu all I feel is sadness. I also think u r the first real somewhat supportive of Cedu detainee. The others sound like computer generated graduates cum attackers-artists-ex staff & such.

They never saw u as a person. It was not a real relationship for them I dont hink. You were like an object, useful, perhaps cute..but their was no connection to you. You were the car they the driver.
I am heartbroken

which cedu were u at.

[try another castle]

I don't recall Fred. Was he Patsy's husband?

You were probably better off being blown off by Ned, despite the fact that it hurt. I believe he is running a parochial school somewhere. There is a thread on it in the cedu forums. Not sure how far back it was, so using the search engine would be best.

There were several staff at RMA that I realized later were totally sadistic, and whether they intended to be or not was irrelevant. My attachment to them was a combination of desire for approval and stockholm syndrome. I was incredibly close with Stacy, as well as Sharon, both of whom were notorious for their brutality. Yet I was crazy about them. Granted, Ned certainly wasn't as bad as they were, and I don't want to invalidate your feelings towards him, but it does not surprise me that both of these staff behaved the way they did, and that is certainly not a reflection on you. It is, however, on them.

Nicole Bailey was after my time, I don't even remember her as a student. All I know is that she apparently became Caroline's lover once she became a staff.

[Anonymous]

Which cedu were you at cstle?

also, do u know anyhing about the middle school?

were al cedus alike?

[try another castle]

I was at RMA 87-89.

As far as I know, the common elements among all of them were smooshing, raps, propheets and workshops. Mindfuckery 101

Punishment terminologies and methodologies changed over time between the schools. For example, a full-time at RMA was a table restriction at CEDU, from what I have gleaned off the boards so far.

In addition, punishments seemed to become more severe in the 90s in the later schools, i.e. NWA, BCA and Ascent wilderness in terms of absurdity and brutality. One poster here actually said that he was beaten and restrained at Ascent, and they never would have done anything like that in my era.

Most of the info on the later schools is available on the net in the form of the affadavits and testimonies relevant to the lawsuits. Kids left out in the cold, buried (I'm assuming that was a newer version of the funeral exercise in the summit), cutting the lawn with scissors. Those are a few of the things I recall off of the spokesman review article.

The only one I hear very little on is King George. I have read the testimony of one poster so far, and the account was FAR from positive.

I also know next to nothing about CEDU middle school, except  for the fact that the very idea of sending adolescents through this makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I think a survivor from there posted here a long time ago, but it might have been a request to hear from survivors of that place. I can't remember.

So far, it has been difficult to paint a complete picture of what the story is, because we are all scattered about, from different eras, different sister schools, and not all of us want to come forward and re-live or re-tell what we have been through. I know that it took me a while to warm up to talking about my own history on the boards.

[Antigen]

So far, it has been difficult to paint a complete picture of what the story is, because we are all scattered about, from different eras, different sister schools, and not all of us want to come forward and re-live or re-tell what we have been through.

There may be a full million of us by now. It's just such a contentious issue.

[Anonymous]

So far, it has been difficult to paint a complete picture of what the story is, because we are all scattered about, from different eras, different sister schools, and not all of us want to come forward and re-live or re-tell what we have been through.

There may be a full million of us by now. It's just such a contentious issue.

yes and i estimate at least 100,000 have been driven to suicide. Thiough its impossible to know I read comments like "i was in with 12 and only 5 of us are still alive, they all killed themselves" The # of kids i know who have killed themselves or have DEEP DEEP sorrow...except for the posters on this board who seem to be doing OK everyone I know post program emotioanlly struggles on a survival basis. I myself think about suicide on a constantly. It should be stated as well as I was happy before program and suicide was as foreign a concept as say torturing a small animal

Add the number of children who die prematurely  from accidnets/suicides/self-neglect and the figure would be even higher.
Its also my belef that pure accidentental death can be casued by program.
Anyone else have that post-program daze? That slowness of reaction and movement?

Body and reflex raction happens on a subconscious infinitesimal basis. When you rewire a brain through brain damage those connections are severed or injured... those split second reactions dont go down in an emergency and the individual dies

[Son Of Serbia]

I was at RMA 87-89.

"Punishment terminologies and methodologies changed over time between the schools. For example, a full-time at RMA was a table restriction at CEDU, from what I have gleaned off the boards so far. "
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Castle,

Your information about the Running Springs facility is a little off.  I was at Cedu RS and we had both table restrictions and Fulltimes.  Generally the restrictions for both types of punishment were the same, with the following exception:

1.)  People who were on "Full Times" had to sign a written ILE (Individual Learning Experience) contract, explicitly agreeing to the terms (restrictions) of their new punishment.  Most notably, the punished student agreed not to laugh, smile, touch another person, or sing throghout the duration of their fulltime.  Fulltime students also agreed to keep a written journal of their "learning experience"
(IE.  they agreed to complete daily writing assignments given to them by staff)

Students on Table Restriction (we called it "table" for short) did not sign any contract, and therefore weren't bound by the no smiling, singing, touching, or laughing rule.  Student s on tables weren't required to keep a journal either.  These were the only real differences between the two.   In all other aspects, students on Tables and Full-times were bound by identical restrictions (confinement to a table, bans, campus escort, indefinate work details & dishes, no phone calls, no letters, no classes, limited
food portions during meals, etc.)

Since a full time couldn't start without the ILE contract being signed first, many students refused to sign initially. Refusal to sign the ILE contract meant that you were put on table restriction by default.  Cedu would keep such students on table restriction indefinately, until they agreed to sign the ILE contract and start the fulltime.

I once spent nearly 3 weeks on table restriction for refusing to sign the ILE contract, after I finally signed, it took another 14 days to finish the full time.

I hope this information helps.

[Silent1]

I attended RMA and graduated 91

I also remember being on a booth or rather a pit restriction as I was the non talker and they made me on a pit to keep me in the middle of things, as well as I had to smush every night and tell my story as well as have someone with me almost all the time.

There was some horrible times there and they just forced it down me.

I still have such as deep bond with that place as to me its the only time I could be myself without compromise as well as having people "care" for me or atleast fake it as I now seem to beleive more and more.

[blownawaytheidahoway]

Silent 1,
I think you need to keep in mind that people did whatever they could to make their time there bearable for them. That you took to heart the "relationships"  that we "worked" so hard on to create. This shows this principle clearly. You were forced to spend time with blown, or castle or the special K. Forced to exchange stories (encomassing the reason that CEDU saved our lives and where would we be without such a pefectly "safe" environment), forced to smoosh, hug, confront one another's weaknesses and pet peeves, forced to use others' disclosures against them, all in the name of FRIENDSHIP. Sometimes I was close "friends" with people I would fucking despise, but friendship, honest friendship was supposed to be a struggle to maintain, under their model.

But we all soon realized after leaving that "normal" teenagers DO NOT do those things, Friendship is a natural bi product of chemistry, economic relation to the larger "group" ( be that workplace, school, or community) and mutual respect. "Truth and Tenderness" do have their place in very intimate settings and relationships, but it is NOT the only level and marker for a "positive" and "supportive" friendship.  

I'm sorry, but "friendship" as a concept, was just another thing that RMA did to you to make it more difficult to acclimate afterwards.

[Anonymous]

I was at RMA 87-89.

 In addition, punishments seemed to become more severe in the 90s in the later schools, i.e. NWA, BCA and Ascent wilderness in terms of absurdity and brutality. One poster here actually said that he was beaten and restrained at Ascent, and they never would have done anything like that in my era.

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This might have been heard from one of my posts, I truly was restrained for over 8 hours by the staff changing shifts holding me and another student down and put in various submission holds by the staff of Ascent. This was after we had escaped for 2 days, got caught, then put through hell doing shit jobs as punishment. They ridiculed us to no end and started talking to my friend about how his mother hates him. He broke down crying and then I stepped in and told the staff to shut the fuck up. This ended in physical confrontation that ended with us not being able to walk after. They carried us to the teepee and we regained some strength whilst sleeping so we could do it all over again the next day. We were 15. Summer 1993.

[try another castle]

Thank you for that, anon! I truly appreciate it.  :tup:

[drlongjon]

Oh, I forgot to log in before posting that last message. My name is Paul, I was at RMA and tried to escape twice, then went to Ascent for 6 weeks that turned into 8 because of the incident written above.
After Ascent, I went back to RMA and got out a couple months later. My parents said it was because they were brainwashing me with Native Indian beliefs or something but I think they just couldn't afford to keep me there any longer. Who knows, my parents were and are Christians and wouldn't want me believing in some other higher power than Jesus. I guess they got their wish in a way but I don't believe in anything, just life. I spent a total of like 7 to 8 months between RMA and Ascent and that small amount of time still affects me a bit. I come to these forums because I never knew anyone who could understand what went on and I always wanted to talk to somebody about it. Oh well, I found this site in the fall of 2006 so it has been some time since I have talked about it.

[Goobyjow]

Ned Murray.  Ha Ha Ha.. what a dork. He was my "English  Teacher' at RMA. The library consisted of "The Thorn Birds" and its ilk. Anyway, he passed along 'Romeo and Juliet" to me on the sly... then he wanted a full dissertation on it. Because it was illicit. I tried to say what I thought of it and even wrote a paper for him (derh). No go. I was 'demoted' in the class. Reviewing my transcripts after I left I got an 'A'.