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Offline Anne Bonney

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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2010, 02:43:46 PM »
I gotta get that book.  It covers it all!

Friggin "life coaches".   ::)  ::)  ::)   (there's not enough eye rolls in the world)

These hip young women, who have lots of charisma but no professional qualifications, are setting themselves up as ersatz gurus to their questing peers.

And LGAT bullshit....

In 2007, she points out, an employee at a Utah-based company called Prosper Inc., which specializes in corporate motivation, was waterboarded as part of a business exercise—his colleagues were urged to fight for sales as hard as he'd fought for air.

"Preachers" building their own fortunes on the backs of their "flock".
Ehrenreich travels to prosperity preacher Joel Osteen's sprawling stadium of a church.

Pseudo-science and psycho-babble...

In a society with as much desperation and instability as ours, such promises are cruelly tantalizing. (a glimpse inside the mind of a program parent and/or guru seeker.  See New Warrior Training, LGATs, "Discovery" seminars [errr, those are LGATs arent' they?]as well) Hence the tremendous success of prosperity preachers, life coaches, and quasi-metaphysical self-help authors like Rhonda Byrne, author of the aforementioned positive-thinking bestseller The Secret. Byrne once claimed that disasters like the 2006 tsunami can only happen to people who are "on the same frequency as the event," which appears to suggest that the victims brought catastrophe on themselves.

And the "normie" crap I've heard at AA meetings about how they're 'grateful' to be alcoholics and feel badly for the "normies" because they haven't been graced with the "gifts" AA has.....

"In the most extreme characterization, breast cancer is not a problem at all, not even an annoyance—it is a 'gift,' deserving of the most heartfelt gratitude," writes Ehrenreich.
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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2010, 11:00:51 PM »
Thought I'd give James Ray and Rhonda Byrne some space to breath here. Got some extreme opinions here. It seems life is taken so literally, never a chance to go out of the box, strict set of rules on expressing your opinions. Grown Ups are not responsible for there decisions, especially if they turn out bad.
Ursus in case you think I missed the date of these comments, Nope, I did not, I still believe them today as I'm sure they would. A tragedy happened and it will pass as every other day.
James having a $5,000,000.00 Bond as Anne pointed out is not all that uncommon for manslaughter charge according to some friends of mine, especially since 2 people died and there were aggravating circumstances with others.

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Blogger Lori said ... (2/27/2007 12:22 PM) :

I just finished watching the segment on The Secret and the Law of Attraction and these were my comments to NBC.

I find it quite telling that the Today show chose to spend the 7 minutes the program allotted this topic, denigrating the Law of Attraction, focusing on it's so called harmful effects and reducing it to fluffy "positive thinking" or "simple desire", when it is so much more.

They spent more time in the previous hour regurgitating the Anna Nicole Smith story for the seven thousandth time (can you say OVERDONE?) and investigating the fascination with celebrity in our country. What about those harmful effects? Not even mentioned. Telling, very telling.

Yes, The Secret is new packaging. So what? "What the Bleep Do We Know" is a movie of the same concept with as many, if not more doctors, scientists, spiritual leaders etc., spouting the same facts and science, but because it did not reach the masses like the Rhonda Byrne movie, no one felt the need to gather a flurry of experts to dispute the validity. Oh wait, experts? A professor, a writer/editor of Newsweek and an uninformed psychiatrist, not exactly what I would call experts, but have it your way NBC, more power to you.

It's sad that a movie that has the possibility of giving people power over their lives and taking them OUT of victim mode is so scary to the mainstream media. What are they afraid of? Did any of them even watch The Secret? Most likely not, as evidenced by Dr. Gail Saltz misleading statement insinuating that the movie claims if you think hard enough about not having cancer then you don’t have to go out and get chemotherapy or radiation. Absolutely not even close to what the movies states and she and Matt could not have misconstrued the message of the movie more. Why she felt the need to cut off James to spew this nonsense is unimaginable. Dr. Saltz seems to want to keep people in victim mode by telling them that what happens to them is not related to the thoughts, beliefs and feelings they are sending out.

Thankfully I give the people more credit than Dr. Saltz does. I am confident that anyone who actually watches the movie will see through her total misunderstanding of these concepts. The real fact is whether one is thinking "have cancer" or "not have cancer" the fact that one is thinking "cancer" at all is the real issue. What you focus on expands. That is fact. Watch it occur in the negative as much as in the positive.

The movie never claims to heal cancer by positive thinking. "Secret Teacher" Bob Proctor clearly states "Let the doctors worry about the disease while you focus on health and well being." To mislead the public by stating that The Secret advises positive thinking as the cure of disease or the cure of any woe is downright despicable and misleading. And the fact that media outlets (Larry King and CNN are also guilty of this) insist upon describing the Law of Attraction as mere positive thinking is infuriating. Anyone with half a brain could watch the movie and understand this is far from the case.

Thank God for people like Oprah and Ellen who give The Secret the time and explanation that it deserves. The world is transforming and you can't stop the evolution of consciousness. But you can stop viewers from tuning into your show. This one just did. And I have a lot of friends and family. Shame on you NBC and the Today show.

Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't - either way you are RIGHT. THAT is the Law of Attraction.

Lori Petro
Actor, Educator, Mom and Powerful Human happily attracting parking spots wherever I go.

Blogger sasmbs said ... (2/27/2007 3:41 PM) :

It seems the press continues their habit of picking out parts of a statement and representing it as the whole in order to shift the meaning of the message. In this case they have failed in their attempts to prevent TRUTH from reaching the public.

James congratulations on standing up for TRUTH and continuing to speak the facts.

As you have said "truth is timeless" and the truth will feel like the truth to those who are willing to listen.

I continue to appreciate your commitment and your courage.


Blogger IrmaMitton said ... (2/27/2007 5:37 PM) :

James, the fact that you could so calmly, gracefully, and eloquently speak up for your convictions in that hostile environment just shows how much you are a master of everything you teach. How sad that the other participants were so determined to discredit Rhonda's work and all the Universal Principles it contains. Thank you for taking the time again to spread the Secret. You are such a brilliant emissary of love and joy! Peace always.

Blogger maryam said ... (2/27/2007 9:31 PM) :

Interesting.of cours Dr. Gail what ever would say that ,think about it when people start understanding the Law of Attraction,there wouldn't be so many client for her.By the way Dr. Gail ,next time you appear on TV ,please get a book and study a little ,so you can at least argue like a adult .
James, I'm so thank full to have a teacher like you.Cod bless you and keep up amazing work.
Maryam from seattle

Blogger Amy J + Energy = Bliss! said ... (2/28/2007 12:51 AM) :

Thank you for posting this. I missed it!

Oh my! The Doc is quite the skeptic! More than that, she is radiates shutdowness and negativity. I noticed I didn't feel any joy radiating from her nor was her physical carriage one of joy.

James you did brilliantly with the little time they allowed you to say anything without being interupted.

The world will get what the world will get from this interview, the Newsweek coverage (boy did the Newsweek writer radiate grumpy negativity!)as well as The Secret. The world is waking up to the truth of WHO is really here!

All Love,

Blogger GoodLifeDenver said ... (2/28/2007 7:50 AM) :

I was wondering when the naysayers would appear. Here they are. It's okay. We've been co-existing for centuries and enlightening the planet anyway. Rock on, James.

Blogger Christina said ... (2/28/2007 10:11 AM) :

Thanks so much for posting the interview. I belong to the Abraham-Hicks Yahoo group, and folks were talking you and the interview today --- so I'm thankful to be able to view it for myself.

First off, I want to say one big 'way to go James'!!! That you stuck in there despite Rhonda not being there (for whatever reason). And that you are playing in the big leagues with this. The Today Show no less. Congrats on hitting some of your own personal goals (Oprah, Larry King, etc). Good on you! Very inspirational.

Secondly, I'm just glad that someone (James!) who has been preparing for this for quite some time, is now prepared enough to handle these kinds of hot seats. You did a great job ... I felt the interview ended on a 'to be continued kind of note'. It was starting to get into a juicy discussion, with interesting points on either side. Things that need to be hashed out so folks can really get what LOA is truly about.

Even though the angle was obviously a little skewed from the big biz / media bias, James did an admirable job in holding his own. And was respectful ... something I think is very important to demonstrate in all of this. It is ok to have different beliefs. To discuss these ideas with civility.

It is really a different paradigm that LOA is about. The doctor even saying 'people focusing on not getting cancer' ... nope, she doesn't get it. You won't get any where by focusing on what you don't want.

Ahhhhh, so great that these kinds of conversations and debates are going on. Obviously its difficult to fit anything into 30 second sound bites ... especially what is really being said with LOA.

Yes, The Secret has its flaws or weak points ... what doesn't. However its playing a wonderful role in creating debate and introducing people to some different ways of thinking ... outside of our current victim consciousness that seems to reign so supreme.

Again, congrats James. I look forward to seeing the next morphs and shifts that the LOA path takes ... and thank you for your public role in helping these things unfold.

In gratitude. Christina Merkley

Blogger Shelly said ... (3/06/2007 7:55 AM) :

The really funny thing about all the "neigh sayers and skeptics" is that even their so called negative input and focus actually brings more attention and energy to The Secret and expands the consciousness on the planet. That is the beauty of the LOA. Pretty darned cool if you ask me!

The only way the "skeptics" (aka Source's Co-Creators) can reverse this phenomenon is for them to embrace the principles and focus on the opposite..... which would mean they would have to endorse the message in the film. Win-win.

Supporters or's all good! Really.

Blogger Sheila said ... (4/23/2008 1:02 PM) :
How's your butt?

That seat was so hot it was smoking!

Here's my comment in a nutshell. Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Science or no science, real or not real, I choose to believe because my life has shown the results of removing limiting beliefs. I am finally becoming the example of possibility I always knew I could be but didn't know how.

That woman was sent in to play devil's advocate and that is such a good thing, because every time a person stands up for their beliefs it reinforces the passion behind them.

You eased elegantly through that one and I am grateful everyday for this fantastic journey!

Well Done.

Blogger Monica said ... (4/28/2008 10:45 AM) :
James, you are truly an amazing amazing being. Anyone else would have crumbled in that seat under so much negativity, pressure and impudence. You were the star of the interview even though some inconsiderate individuals kept cutting you off. I was blown away at how you rebutted with those psychology quotations - you were so much more informed than a "medical doctor." I am so grateful to have a guru that practices what he preaches. I am so grateful to have you as my teacher. I remember your words every day. Thank you for changing my life.
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2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! Puts the Spotlight on National Judge
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2012, 12:15:32 AM »
Somehow I neglected to post this following gem from James Ray's blog re. his stint as a Miss America pageant judge (his having been an expert — or at least recognized as such — in the field of "Leadership Development"), color emphasis added:

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PRESS RELEASE: 2008 Miss America Live! Puts the Spotlight on National Judges Saturday, January 26, 2008

PRESS RELEASE: 2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! Puts the Spotlight on National Judges Saturday, January 26, 2008

Live from Planet Hollywood, Las Vegas, on TLC

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J., Jan. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- 2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! promises to be an exciting event with the announcement of the strikingly diverse panel of national judges. This year's panel of seven esteemed judges includes a legendary Olympic athlete, an edgy fashion designer, Hollywood's hottest casting director, the editor of a trendy magazine, a successful entrepreneur, one of CNN's most popular newscasters and today's favorite fitness trainer. They will evaluate the contestants from the preliminaries through the final night of competition, which will be premiering live from Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino in Las Vegas on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed, exclusively on TLC. Plus, this year America will get to play the part of judge as TLC introduces Miss America: America's Choice, an online competition designed to choose the 16th finalist.

The judges were announced by Sam Haskell, Chairman of the Board for the Miss America Organization (MAO), Art McMaster, President and CEO of MAO, and Anthony Eaton, Producer of 2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! This year's panel of judges is comprised of experts in each of the fields that a young woman must excel in, in order to be named Miss America. Miss America must be beautiful, talented, intelligent and well-spoken, a leader, have a commitment to her community, be contemporary in her style and fashion -- a relatable and individual "it girl" who can connect with today's modern woman, as well as being physically fit. To determine who will be Miss America 2008 the following panel of judges has been selected:

  • From the Field of Beauty and Fashion -- TRACE AYALA -- This Memphis-born fashion designer is the co-founder of William Rast denim with his childhood friend, Justin Timberlake. Ayala designs comfortable and stylish denim with quality fabrics and a well-designed fit.
  • From the Field of National Press defining today's "It Girl" -- SARAH IVENS -- Ivens is the Editor-in-Chief of OK! Magazine, which under her key direction has become America's fastest-growing publication and one of the most successful magazines specializing in celebrity news.
  • From the Field of Community Service -- JACKIE JOYNER-KERSEE -- Considered one of the greatest athletes of all time, Joyner-Kersee is the first woman to win back-to-back gold medals in the seven disciplined event heptathlon. Since retiring from competition, Joyner-Kersee has devoted herself to giving back to her community. As Founder and Chairperson of the Jackie Joyner-Kersee Foundation, she spearheaded fundraising efforts to collect more than $12 million to build a safe haven for young people.
  • From the Field of Talent -- JASON LA PADURA -- This native New Yorker is the casting genius behind the Disney Channel phenomenon "High School Musical" and will soon begin work on the feature film, "High School Musical 3." He is currently casting the NBC hit "Heroes" and CBS' "Cane."
  • From the Field of Fitness -- KIM LYONS -- As a star of NBC's hit show, "The Biggest Loser," Lyons exemplifies fitness. Lyon's first book will be published in January 2008. She is also featured in the bestselling "The Biggest Loser" Cookbook, and "The Biggest Loser" Workout DVDs.
  • From the Communications/Interview Field -- ROBIN MEADE -- As the lead news anchor for Headline News' morning show, "Morning Express with Robin Meade," she has anchored the network's coverage of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Before joining CNN, Meade worked at NBC Chicago where she covered the 1996 Olympics, which included reporting on the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. Meade is a former Miss Ohio who competed in the 1992 Miss America Pageant. She is the recipient of two Emmy Awards.
  • From the Field of Leadership Development -- JAMES ARTHUR RAY -- Ray is the President and CEO of James Ray International, a multi-million dollar corporation dedicated to teaching individuals to create wealth in all areas of their lives: financially, relationally, intellectually, physically, and spiritually. He has been featured on Extra, The Today Show, Larry King Live, and the Oprah Winfrey Show for The Secret.

This year, America has the opportunity to select a surprise 16th pageant finalist with Miss America: America's Choice, an online competition that allows viewers to vote for their favorite Miss America contestant. Fans can vote by visiting beginning on Friday, January 4, after the first episode of TLC's new reality special, MISS AMERICA: REALITY CHECK and through the final episode on Saturday, January 26 (3 AM EST). The contestant with the most votes, who is not already included as a top 15 finalist, will be chosen as "America's Choice," and be revealed during the MISS AMERICA LIVE! finale.

MISS AMERICA: REALITY CHECK premieres January 4, at 10 PM (ET/PT) and airs consecutive Friday nights leading up to the MISS AMERICA LIVE! finale on January 26. Hosted by Michael Urie, the four-part series is designed to get these 52 state winners to forget everything they've learned in "pageant schools" over the years ... the walk ... the talk ... the hairspray ... and prepare them for the final competition to select Miss America 2008 ... the relatable "it girl" who can connect with today's modern woman.

SOURCE Miss America Organization
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Comments: 2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! Puts the Spotlight on...
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2012, 07:59:58 PM »
Comments left for the above blog entry, "PRESS RELEASE: 2008 MISS AMERICA LIVE! Puts the Spotlight on National Judges Saturday, January 26, 2008" (Jan. 03, 2008; James Ray International, Inc.), comments which are especially haunting in light of the tragic deaths which occurred later at one of James Ray's sweat lodge events:

Sky said ... (1/06/2008 11:50 AM) :
    Congratulations James!!! :)

    XOXO Tons of Love and support is flowing to you... always with you.

    Keep shining that Light!!! ;-)

    Dr. Jen
Lise said ... (1/07/2008 4:53 AM) :
    I'm very surprised at your involvement with this particular event...
Sky said ... (1/07/2008 2:18 PM) :
    Well, I knew that was comin! haha But, let us all remember: things are not always as they seem.

    "And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me."—John 12:32

    So be it.
C_Hope said ... (1/08/2008 11:05 AM) :
    "Energy flows where attention goes." May the chosen student learn much from your invaluable teachings!
Daniel Schutzsmith said ... (1/09/2008 2:51 PM) :
    Great stuff James! I'm really surprised and excited that you are getting more mainstream attention! Its definitely deserved and, IMHO, can only help society at large.
Amy J + Energy = Bliss! said ... (1/14/2008 6:09 AM) :
    Hello Dearest One,

    This is a new and different venture for you! It shall be interesting to see what the Universe delivers from this unique and exciting opportunity for the highest good of All!

    Judge well and ... remember to behave yourself! ;-)

    Much Love always...

    In Joy!

muskrat said ... (1/15/2008 7:47 AM) :
    I'm with Lise...this does seem like a curious venue for James and a bit inconsistent with his personal brand.
Gail said ... (1/15/2008 10:39 AM) :
    Can there be a better judge than one who can see beyond appearances and know true beauty?
C_Hope said ... (1/15/2008 12:27 PM) :
    HI James
    I love this forum...I learn so much from the various posts! One I especialy like is Gail - who put it all very simply "Can there be a better judge than one who can see beyond appearances and know true beauty?" Here here Gail! How incredibly insightful! Thanks so much!

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Re: "What the Bleep?" and "The Secret"
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2012, 11:22:55 AM »
So... going back to the original post in this thread... Hyde School, fwiw, has relatively significant connections of one sort or another to both "What the Bleep?" as well as "The Secret," which makes me kinda wonder 'bout the original intent of the poster who started this discussion quite some time ago.

"The Secret" appears to have especially fired up the imaginations of those involved in the marketing of Hyde. And the first aforementioned Hyde alumnus (who was involved with the Ramtha cult for at least ten years) used some of these same methods and principles to market the Ramtha propaganda piece, "What The Bleep."

I'm not sure which came first.

Here's evidence of one such Hyde marketing campaign (among many) from Hyde's Fall 2004 Alumni Newsletter, mentioning Laurie (Gauld) Hurd and Duncan McCrann:


    Recently, Laurie Hurd and Duncan McCrann announced the launch of a major campaign to increase awareness about Hyde. The help of alumni in the form of time, energy, enthusiasm, and creative thinking is needed. Simply put, it's a new world for Hyde and other New England boarding schools. The recent proliferation of new educational options for students and families has created a challenge for boarding school admissions, a challenge that we at Hyde are eager to face with your help.

    As alumni, you don't have to be sold on the impact of Hyde on families. There is little doubt that if more families knew about Hyde, they would pursue enrollment. In some ways, Hyde is the best-kept secret in American education! It is where hope is restored and potential is realized.

    This fact led to a new campaign that will "ignite" conversation and interest about Hyde, a venture where everyone connected to Hyde is passing along the Hyde "secret" to people they meet everyday—school counselor, minister, friend, therapist, colleague—to ultimately transform the mystery into knowledge.

    In the coming months, you will hear more about Share the Secret. By working together to spread the word about Hyde we will reach families that could benefit from what our schools offer, and have some fun in the process. Please contact Laurie Hurd at 207-443-7105, [email protected], to pass along any campaign development ideas.[/list]
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