Straight INC. Movie on youtube.com

[GregFL]

I didn't know that, thanks Greg.

Here's Wikipedia's info on Lifespring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespring

Here ya go.  

?I met Mel in San Francisco several years before he started CEDU, while I was working for Synanon, a drug rehabilitation center,? Bill said."


http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5144.shtml


CEDU used to have this history right on their own website.    All of these places used, at their core, the same basic tenants of mind control.  This isn't a surprise since most of them can be traced back to the synanon.  The big mystery is how it got from the synanon to The Seed.

Again, I have my theory  but I can't confirm it with any tangible evidence.  One particular "Rap" sticks out in my mind tho, from the time I was in the St. Pete Seed.  Keep in mind that the Seed was all pretty much pasty white teenagers from the Suburbs.  Then we had several staff members that clearly fit into the category of "not belonging".

One in particular was in his mid twenties and very New Yorker in style and speech and an ex-junkie. Junkies in the seed were rare as virgins in 'da club', if you follow me.    Anyway, one day he was just going off, saying "you guys don't even know where this shit comes from.  It comes from _____, okay?  This shit all come from ________, and you guys are lucky to be here.  It is much harder at _____blah blah blah".    And he mentioned some rehab from up north.  This has Nawed at my crawl for years.

I think, perhaps, that when Art Barker got the funding from Dupont that it was conditional, and he also got this guy and maybe one or two more, and they helped him set up a synanon style rehab.  The government, at the time was actively sponsoring synanon spinoffs throut the country.

Now you have my theory.  It really has no real explanatory power over my speculation based on my experience, but I believe it to be true, based on my faulty memory and what I know about synanon spinoff programs and the rise and fall of the Seed, and also the introduction of the synanon "style" into the Seed.

I would also tell you that generally, Ginger agrees with this assessment.  We have no "proof" or "smoking Gun" to back it up, however.

I hope this helps.

[001010]

Every bit of information helps to get closer to understanding what we all went through. Much appreciated, thanks!

[GregFL]

One time, years and years after the seed, my wife (now ex) went into a shopping center and I milled about outside.  I leaned up against the building and I could hear someone speaking, and people talking in response.  Okay, kind of weird.  Then they started singing I could swear a seed song, and then again the talking.  I tried to peer thru the window but it was sealed tight and I couldn't hear what they were saying.

Peaked of curiosity, I went to the door.  The meeting was set up just like a seed meeting, two rows of chairs seperated by a walkway and speaker up front, and the people were all excited and waving their hands to speak.  When they got called on, they stood up and talked in an excited urgent manner.

I was dumfounded.  My wife strolled out  and over to me and asked me what I was doing, and I couldn't explain it to her, only that the people were acting weird inside.

Oh yeah, almost forgot.  Turned out to be an amway meeting.

[Anonymous]

A few years ago I was working as a salesman for a company that sold copiers and fax machines.  One of my customers was a Mormon church, and before closing the deal I had to endure about an hour of attempts to convert me to their religion.  After it became pretty clear that I wasn't buying, the church guy in charge of buying office equipment started in on his Amway sales pitch.  To add insult to injury, they didn't buy the machine I had demonstrated.  Of course, when they came calling back a couple of weeks later, I wasn't able to get them quite as good a deal as I was able to offer them previously........

[001010]

One time, years and years after the seed, my wife (now ex) went into a shopping center and I milled about outside.  I leaned up against the building and I could hear someone speaking, and people talking in response.  Okay, kind of weird.  Then they started singing I could swear a seed song, and then again the talking.  I tried to peer thru the window but it was sealed tight and I couldn't hear what they were saying.

Peaked of curiosity, I went to the door.  The meeting was set up just like a seed meeting, two rows of chairs seperated by a walkway and speaker up front, and the people were all excited and waving their hands to speak.  When they got called on, they stood up and talked in an excited urgent manner.

I was dumfounded.  My wife strolled out  and over to me and asked me what I was doing, and I couldn't explain it to her, only that the people were acting weird inside.

Oh yeah, almost forgot.  Turned out to be an amway meeting.

Hahaha...   I was invited to a Mary Kay meeting. I got the heebies and left. I had to apologize to my sister-in-law who didn't understand since all I did was arrive, walk in and turn around and leave.

[Anonymous]

   http://perso.orange.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/mind.htm  


just some general history, links, etc... wwasp etc... seminars ,est, all that mindraping rigamarole, gotta be hooked up. just need more specifics, like a jigsaw puzzle. It may be possible that some of these folks met each other in places, talked off the record, etc etc. you know, not something easily researched unless you talk to the folks themselves, a rather daunting task. take that gilcrease dude for instance, he's the wwasp seminar leader, associated with hanley, makes sense it's all hooked up. check out the 'friends of the kennedy's' connections to sembler... that might lead somewhere too. one of the names there is robert a.g. monks- sembler donated money to monks's campaigns when he was running for office and monks knows all about straight inc and a son was in start up synanon, and monks has a place in FL. creepy   :-?

[GregFL]

Well, Sembler is a dead end because we know where he got 'connected' into the machine.  It was thru his son, in 1973, at the Morgan yacht building- Seed.


That is where it all started for Sembler and where the idea for Straight came from, and where all the original straight people came from.  No mystery here.  

The remaining peg in the puzzle is The Seed connection to the synanon or some synanon spinoff like Daytop.  I think my theory has merit, but again...no one *knows* the way we would like to know.

Once that is solved, it would be nice to connect the synanon to some sinister government program, would it not?

we can dream, can't we?

 :lol:

[Anonymous]

Well, Sembler is a dead end because we know where he got 'connected' into the machine.  It was thru his son, in 1973, at the Morgan yacht building- Seed.


That is where it all started for Sembler and where the idea for Straight came from, and where all the original straight people came from.  No mystery here.  

The remaining peg in the puzzle is The Seed connection to the synanon or some synanon spinoff like Daytop.  I think my theory has merit, but again...no one *knows* the way we would like to know.

Once that is solved, it would be nice to connect the synanon to some sinister government program, would it not?

we can dream, can't we?

 :lol:

Experiminting on children is not so sinister.
You should look in to the history of research centers.Children with chronic illinesses  and no money were often sent to research centers for free treatment in exchange for being used as lab rats.
Thats what all this program crap is about and why you cant touch these people.It was all experimental and they were trying to help you.

[Anonymous]

It was all experimental and they were trying to help you.

And they did a very good job, too.

[4Reagan2Youth0]

There is a government connection to the Synanon.  Around this time last year I was living in Colorado with a guy from Comton, CA that was in a gang called "the Bloods" out there.
One night I started talking about Straight and he said he went through a weird mind fuck program called the Sinanon.  I realizied he was talking about Synanon, the y in the spelling had me previously thinking a different pronouncation.

His story was; while he was in a California prison the government started an experiment to try and rehabilitate criminals.  The inmates were selected on a most likely to succeed basis and they had to agree to participate in the experiment being Synanon.  He was selected and went.
He seemed very two sided about the whole thing.  On one hand he shook his head about the brainwashing and mental mind control freaky shit.  On the other he said it was a great program and the best thing that ever happened to him.  He lived with some program founders and worked for them as a cook for a while after the program.  

I can't remember much of the details right now.  But I did write down some of the names and stuff he told me.  I always kept a notebook with me up in Colorado bacause of the idea surge I was going through.    And I wrote those ideas down because of how all those ideas were coming in.  Good thinking, but hard to memorize.

[001010]

   http://perso.orange.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/mind.htm  


just some general history, links, etc... wwasp etc... seminars ,est, all that mindraping rigamarole, gotta be hooked up. just need more specifics, like a jigsaw puzzle. It may be possible that some of these folks met each other in places, talked off the record, etc etc. you know, not something easily researched unless you talk to the folks themselves, a rather daunting task. take that gilcrease dude for instance, he's the wwasp seminar leader, associated with hanley, makes sense it's all hooked up. check out the 'friends of the kennedy's' connections to sembler... that might lead somewhere too. one of the names there is robert a.g. monks- sembler donated money to monks's campaigns when he was running for office and monks knows all about straight inc and a son was in start up synanon, and monks has a place in FL. creepy   :-?

Thanks!!!  :tup:

[001010]

There is a government connection to the Synanon.  Around this time last year I was living in Colorado with a guy from Comton, CA that was in a gang called "the Bloods" out there.
One night I started talking about Straight and he said he went through a weird mind fuck program called the Sinanon.  I realizied he was talking about Synanon, the y in the spelling had me previously thinking a different pronouncation.

His story was; while he was in a California prison the government started an experiment to try and rehabilitate criminals.  The inmates were selected on a most likely to succeed basis and they had to agree to participate in the experiment being Synanon.  He was selected and went.
He seemed very two sided about the whole thing.  On one hand he shook his head about the brainwashing and mental mind control freaky shit.  On the other he said it was a great program and the best thing that ever happened to him.  He lived with some program founders and worked for them as a cook for a while after the program.  

I can't remember much of the details right now.  But I did write down some of the names and stuff he told me.  I always kept a notebook with me up in Colorado bacause of the idea surge I was going through.    And I wrote those ideas down because of how all those ideas were coming in.  Good thinking, but hard to memorize.

Just like A Clockwork Orange!

Damn!!!

[Carmel]

I watched V for Vendetta the other day finally.  I was kind of shocked at how I reacted to the part where shes "detained" and tortured in the mock set-up that V created to help her understand what his brand of freedom and fearlessness really meant.  

At the end of it, when she says that shed rather be taken out and shot than cooperate......I actually fell into tears.  My husband thought I had lost my mind, but I tried to explain to him, however unsuccessfully, that I understood EXACTLY how she felt at that moment.  To lose fear and accept the possibility of death as a viable option......thats exactly the choice I was forced to make when I decided that it may be my only alternative in leaving the program.  I knew what it really truly meant to actually feel what was only being portrayed philisophically on the screen.  It shocked the crap out of me, I wasnt prepared for it.  I wanted to jump up and yell, shes right! hes right! they are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Its not just an idea, or a concept....its an actual state of being that exists within us all, and unfortunately....becomes tangible all too often.

I find it hopelessly ironic that I am here sharing my deepest personal emotions about losing fear of death, all because I was awoken in the night by several horrid roaches scuttling around, and actually in, my bed.....Id rather die than get anywhere near my bed right now.  Ive killed one, and the other bastard is still at large.  For some reason theve been turning up in my bed this summer.....its horrendous.  Summer in the South for ya, I Gar-ON-tee.  Theyve been particularly prolific and uncharacteristically cozy this year.  Trashy fuckers.  :flame:

[Anonymous]

I had wondered if any other survivors go thtst reaction upon seeing that scene,  I know I did, it ws kind of weird, but yeah, I felt that way, too.

Good luck annnihilating the insects.....

Yer pal,

rtp2k3

[Anonymous]

I watched V for Vendetta the other day finally.  I was kind of shocked at how I reacted to the part where shes "detained" and tortured in the mock set-up that V created to help her understand what his brand of freedom and fearlessness really meant.  

At the end of it, when she says that shed rather be taken out and shot than cooperate......I actually fell into tears.  My husband thought I had lost my mind, but I tried to explain to him, however unsuccessfully, that I understood EXACTLY how she felt at that moment.  To lose fear and accept the possibility of death as a viable option......thats exactly the choice I was forced to make when I decided that it may be my only alternative in leaving the program.  I knew what it really truly meant to actually feel what was only being portrayed philisophically on the screen.  It shocked the crap out of me, I wasnt prepared for it.  I wanted to jump up and yell, shes right! hes right! they are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Its not just an idea, or a concept....its an actual state of being that exists within us all, and unfortunately....becomes tangible all too often.

I find it hopelessly ironic that I am here sharing my deepest personal emotions about losing fear of death, all because I was awoken in the night by several horrid roaches scuttling around, and actually in, my bed.....Id rather die than get anywhere near my bed right now.  Ive killed one, and the other bastard is still at large.  For some reason theve been turning up in my bed this summer.....its horrendous.  Summer in the South for ya, I Gar-ON-tee.  Theyve been particularly prolific and uncharacteristically cozy this year.  Trashy fuckers.  :flame:

Theres no excuse for the cockroaches except thay you are a dirty person and your house stinks.
If you insist on living in a filthy house,at least you could buy a mosquito net,hang it over your bed and tuck the edges under the matress when you sleep.
I had a dirty filty disgusting person like you living in my house,and after I threw them out,I bought some 409 and scrubbed the filth away,and the cockroaches never returned.