The Who

[TheWho]

Fences where?

At ASR.  There are schools that have fences around them to keep kids from running (actually my highschool had a fence around it).  But ASR doesnt.  The kids can leave anytime they want to there is no isolation or coercion.  Its a TBS, not a boot camp.

So then every kid wants to and completely agrees to be there with no pressure from an 'intake' or 'exit plan'?  What would happen if they said they'd had enough and were leaving?

Run away more than once or break the rules and you are out on your butt.

[Anne Bonney]

As far as isolation and Coersion.  I have never supported this.

You're saying with a completely straight face that there is no isolation and coersion at ASR?  Seriously?

[Nihilanthic]

I never said I felt attacked, but you did turn things around. You made this about me, and fences, when it was never about either.

Yes, fences can isolate people by containment, but a lack of fences is NOT a lack of isolation.

I am not drinking caffeine, but I do love how you imply you're not attacking me then do so by implication that I am overly caffinated.

What I'm wondering is why you keep shifting, dodging, and pulling nonsense instead of actually proving what you say!

You are the one who went off on the ASR/Fence tangent and try to derail the thread, yet again. First its semantic and saying that a TBS is a place that educates and teaches another way and does not use coersion, yet, programs work by coersion and isolation...

So, wtf, Who?

[Anne Bonney]

Run away more than once or break the rules and you are out on your butt.

And then what happens?  What is their understanding of what will happen to them if they get kicked out?

[TheWho]

I never said I felt attacked, but you did turn things around. You made this about me, and fences, when it was never about either.

Yes, fences can isolate people by containment, but a lack of fences is NOT a lack of isolation.

I am not drinking caffeine, but I do love how you imply you're not attacking me then do so by implication that I am overly caffinated.

What I'm wondering is why you keep shifting, dodging, and pulling nonsense instead of actually proving what you say!

You are the one who went off on the ASR/Fence tangent and try to derail the thread, yet again. First its semantic and saying that a TBS is a place that educates and teaches another way and does not use coersion, yet, programs work by coersion and isolation...

So, wtf, Who?

Again if you look back you will see you had a recollection of a debate we had over isolation and I mentioned I had one about fences.  Why is mine side tracking and yours is not, because you said it first?  Very sensitive, Niles.
To answer your question, simple.  They don?t use coercion and isolation.  That has been my point all along is not all programs are alike, you seem to be stuck there.  As long as you are you wont be able to move forward.  Places change and grow, try to keep up.  They are not all like Straight in the 70?s.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy can you back up any of the claims you have made on here in the past week? I realize you're a moron but this is just a yes or no question.

[TheWho]

Run away more than once or break the rules and you are out on your butt.

And then what happens?  What is their understanding of what will happen to them if they get kicked out?

Probably be in a lot of trouble.  A kid in my highschool was kicked out for spray painting his locker and his parents went sideways on him.  Lost his car, spent a year in public school, cut his hair.  So I would expect the same or worse.

[Anne Bonney]

To answer your question, simple.  They don?t use coercion and isolation.  That has been my point all along is not all programs are alike, you seem to be stuck there.  As long as you are you wont be able to move forward.  Places change and grow, I want you to keep up.  They are not all like Straight in the 70?s.

Any other Straight or WWASP vets lurking out there?  What's this sound like to you?

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    *  Substance abuse

[Anne Bonney]

Run away more than once or break the rules and you are out on your butt.

And then what happens?  What is their understanding of what will happen to them if they get kicked out?

Probably be in a lot of trouble.  A kid in my highschool was kicked out for spray painting his locker and his parents went sideways on him.  Lost his car, spent a year in public school, cut his hair.  So I would expect the same or worse.

Jesus Christ this is like pulling teeth.   :roll:


What would have happened had your daughter decided to leave?  How would you and the school have reacted if she had said it was bullshit and she was outta there?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Straight in the fuckin' 80's was pretty bad there too, Who.. :roll:

Damn I'm high... too high to bother trying to understand this thread, anyway. :lol:

Who, when's the last time you smoked something good?  :question:

[Anne Bonney]

Straight in the fuckin' 80's was pretty bad there too, Who.. :roll:

Damn I'm high... too high to bother trying to understand this thread, anyway. :lol:

Who, when's the last time you smoked something good?  :question:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


 :smokin:  ::bandit::

[Anonymous]

Howdy ma'am!  ::bwahaha::  :smokin:

[Anne Bonney]

Getting ready to blaze away myself.  Been a long day, my eyes are tired.

[TheWho]

Run away more than once or break the rules and you are out on your butt.

And then what happens?  What is their understanding of what will happen to them if they get kicked out?

Probably be in a lot of trouble.  A kid in my highschool was kicked out for spray painting his locker and his parents went sideways on him.  Lost his car, spent a year in public school, cut his hair.  So I would expect the same or worse.

Jesus Christ this is like pulling teeth.   :roll:


What would have happened had your daughter decided to leave?  How would you and the school have reacted if she had said it was bullshit and she was outta there?

Talk to her, her counselor and the school and determine the next best step.  It would not be a happy time for any of us.