Teen?s death prompts calls to shut boot camp

[Anonymous]

Did everybody else notice the term the officers used for the beating: "restraint". Remember this, when reading through this forum what a restraint can actully entail. This is a telling story, about the entire boot camp industry. It is brutal and unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

I am absolutely astounded at the viewing of the video of the abuse of this young man. Never have a seen a nurse stand by and watch a human being hit until he goes down. It is reminescent of Auswitcz. The Drill Instructors and the Nurse should be held completely responsible. I wonder how they could handle doing what they made him do.

[Anonymous]

This law breaker will not be rearrested. So who cares! :grin:

[tommyfromhyde1]

Florida is now saying that the kid died of sickle cell "trait". Riiiight...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/16/boot.camp/index.html
BTW CNN had a brief piece about this on Anderson Cooper last night. They were too nice to the staff but did show some of the video.

For more than a hundred years much complaint has been made of the unmethodical way in which schools are conducted...with what result?  Schools remain exactly as they were.
--Comenius,1632

[Deborah]

This topic kinda got spread out into mutliple threads in the TTI forum.

More here... and don't miss the political connections on page 4 of this thread:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&51

Both the investigator and the sheriff were appointed by Jeb Bush and are intimately involved with DFAF, for starters.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&19
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&11

And another is this forum:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 51&start=0



[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-02-18 13:38 ]

[Deborah]

On 2006-02-12 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Did everybody else notice the term the officers used for the beating: "restraint". Remember this, when reading through this forum what a restraint can actully entail. This is a telling story, about the entire boot camp industry. It is brutal and unnecessary."

Absolutely, right on.
Not just the 'boot camp' industry. Most probably don't go to this extreme, but this could happen in a wilderness program or other residential BM program that allows restrain/abuse. Frequently it's broken/sprain arms, bones twisted out of the joint, dislocated jaws, faces rubbed in the mud/gravel, etc. Just takes the right situation with the right sadist.
It's a miracle there are not more deaths. And we have NO clue how many injuries there have been in programs.

[Anonymous]

I'm an ex recruit from the Polk County Juvenile Boot Camp and I strongly disagree with what Rep. Gustavo Barreiro said about shutting down the boot camps and how they aren't working. :flame:
Before I entered the boot camp, I was a lost cause. It was my fourth program, no one else wanted to put up with me. I was an angry teenager, I had no respect for authority. When I got there I knew I wasn't in control anymore. I hated the Drill Instructors yelling at me, but it was the only thing that got through to me. The boot camps are all about tough love. I stayed at the boot camp nine months and graduated successfully. I went in there hating a lot of Drill Instructors and I left loving them. I'm not a perfect person, but I think if it wasn't for the boot camp I would of ended up in prison.
It's tragic what happend to that 14 year old boy, but I don't think that all the other boot camps should be closed down. Behind the hard fronts, the Drill Instructors put on, they are really caring people with big hearts.  :grin:

[Antigen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.
--Aldous Huxley, author

[Anonymous]

I am still so disturbed by the images I saw on that tape.  I did more research on this yesterday and found dozens of stories of kids killed in these gulags.   Isn't there something that could help this situation?  

There's a petition for a law for better regulation of these places that also includes federal funding.  here's a link to that site...
   http://www.PetitionOnline.com/hr1738/

I hope that all camps are not all as dangerous as the ones I've been reading about.  But even one death (oh, sorry, they call them 'incidents') in these places is too many.

As to the person who wrote in defense of the camp - glad to hear you had good outcomes.  But that doesn't justify the egregious assault and/or neglect that many young people suffer at these places.

[Antigen]

Well, here's an example of what we're up against.

http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.p ... spiracies/

Deeply engrained religious indoctrination.

Even when we put together all of the solid documentation showing these sadistic lunatics for who and what they are, people simply refuse to see it.

We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security

[Anonymous]

you people are fucking nuts and need serious help. Nazi dictatorship? you have to be shittin me. Your so obsessed that the man is keeping you down you miss the point. Yeah some boot camps do some bad crap and need to be looked at but shut them down? what kind of dumb ass knee jerk reaction is that? Oh so a car hit and killed someone take em all off the road? no regulate them. think before you engage your damn fingers

[Antigen]

Obviously you never spent any time in the "care" of any of DFAF's other programs. Knee jerk? Fuck off!

I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life -- our desire to go on living -- our dread of coming to an end.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor

[mandelduke]

No child should be abused or neglected for the sake of profit. Teens and pre-teens have testified to being abducted, incarcerated, abused, and neglected in for-profit private residential facilities, boot camps, wilderness programs, and boarding schools, as well as state-funded juvenile justice facilities ... an industry that is largely unregulated. As a parent and survivor of one of these torture camps, I am shocked that this is still going on in America. We go to war to liberate the Iraqi people from the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. We judge third world countries for sweat shops. Who will liberate our children from abusive treatment centers? We have thousands of our children in these torture camps. This is not a new problem! I was abused at Green River Boys Camp in 1974, which means that it?s been going on for at least thirty-two years! We can find one hundred and sixteen stories of children that have died, committed suicide, or been murdered in these camps  at http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Li ... mitted.htm   I know of two more victims from camps in Kentucky. As a survivor of thirty two years I can tell you of the long term devastation effects of having lived in one of these camps. So can sociologists like Dr. Ann Marie Charvat, who testified in the capital murder case of Anthony Darrell Hines. I have learned of several people on death row and in prison for murder that were former residents of Green River Boys Camp. I believe if we actually knew how many people have committed suicide and violent crimes, after having been abused in torture camps, we would all be shocked. Parents are told that these camps will change their children, and this I can vouch from experience. But if they knew what they change them into, they wouldn?t approve.

For more info contact http://www.parentadvocates.org
http://www.caica.org
http://www.isaccorp.org
mandelduke@yahoo.com

[Antigen]

On 2006-04-03 04:14:00, mandelduke wrote:

Parents are told that these camps will change their children, and this I can vouch from experience. But if they knew what they change them into, they wouldn?t approve.

That's the part that concerns me most. Maybe I developed a healthy aversion to the concept based on my own experience. But isn't that a chilling phrase? "Don't worry, Mrs. Jones, we'll change your child for you in no time!" Fuck! If anyone said anything like that to me, I'd grab hold of my kids and run the other way!

I know what this routine did to my family. While you were locked up in the public sector thought reform experiment, my parents actually paid Art Barker to reprogram 4/5 of my elder brothers and sisters. By `80, it was my turn and I got the "new and improved" regimin at Straight, Inc.

There is no more family. 6 kids raising or having raised 8 grandkids; no two families in the same state. The only terms by which I can have any part of their occasional get togethers is if I play along w/ their view of me and my one brother as total fuckups. He and I never completed our programs; therefore we were cut off from all manner of familial supprt. They were trying to help us, you see, to reach our "rock bottoms" on our own w/o any toxic "enabling". Sympathy kills, remember?

So now we're all coasting into or in the midst of middle age. I wouldn't even know if my mother has already died or if any of my nieces or nephews have kids of their own, cept for one I know of and we don't really communicate either.

If it had just been my crazy assed family having joined a crazy assed cult, I wouldn't be speaking of it publicly today. It just wouldn't be relavent or interesting, except as a tragic human interest story, to the vast majority of readers.

But if you put together the private sector thought reform gulags w/ the public sector programs like Green River then do the math, this ammounts to a total scorched earth maneuver on family and community throughout the land.

THAT is what keeps me up at night!

Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them.
--Thomas Paine

[stud3nt03]

For my grade 11 english class we are writing pro/con essays and i have chosen the topic of boot camps. Now im not exactly sure if i should either write it on PRO or CON for boot camps, so if there is anyone out there who feels strongly about the topic, could they please leave some quality resources for me about either PRO or CON for boot camps. Thank you, your resources will be greatly appreciated.