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« on: October 11, 2005, 03:19:00 PM »
Look, while many people here didn't like their CEDU experience, I loved mine. I made more friends when I was there than I would ever have during high school. I loved the people there and the staff. Yes, they yelled at me but it was all for the best. Shame on you people who are cursing the things you learned there. I miss NWA so much it hurts. I miss the firends and the staff and all the things I learned when I was there. I was addicted to drugs and was very sexually active, but CEDU changed all that. They helped me realize that there is a whole other world out there waiting to be discovered. You all should just shut up and stop saying that it's a bad place. Just because you didn't like it there doesn't mean it was a bad place!
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2005, 03:23:00 PM »
I agree. Why are so many people trying so hard to forget what happened there?! I too loved my time in Idaho. The propheets and workshops helped me realize who I really was. When I arrived there I was only a shell of a person. I agree with the poster of this topic that we should all embrace the tools we learned there and stop having such harsh feelings about what happened. "The Truth Shall Set You Free" Remember that one people? How 'bout we all stop listening to "I" and start listening to "ME"
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2005, 03:47:00 PM »
You're both fucked in the head...missing cedu?
Get A Life!
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2005, 04:04:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-11 12:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Look, while many people here didn't like their CEDU experience, I loved mine. I made more friends when I was there than I would ever have during high school. I loved the people there and the staff. Yes, they yelled at me but it was all for the best. Shame on you people who are cursing the things you learned there. I miss NWA so much it hurts. I miss the firends and the staff and all the things I learned when I was there. I was addicted to drugs and was very sexually active, but CEDU changed all that. They helped me realize that there is a whole other world out there waiting to be discovered. You all should just shut up and stop saying that it's a bad place. Just because you didn't like it there doesn't mean it was a bad place! "


So basically you're saying it's a good thing you don't get laid anymore thanks to CEDU? Hey, whatever floats your boat.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2005, 04:10:00 PM »
I'm not trying to be negative here. I'm trying to say that if people open their hearts and eyes they'll realize that CEDU and whatever respective school they went to was a structuraly sound institution. They had very loving and caring people there. My life is on track now because of CEDU. To say that I don't get laid anymore is false. Cedu taught me how to manage my relationships and not to sleep around with whatever pussy came around. I know how to maintain a healthy relationship now and how to maintain my own self respect and self control. If there are people out there who think this is a bad thing, well then shame on you. Just because you didn't get all Cedu had to offer does not mean they didn't have anything to offer.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2005, 04:22:00 PM »
The only thing structurally sound about cedu were the buildings. That's because they weren't original to cedu.

As for a loving institution....I have a hard time saying that yelling in my face 2-3 hours at a shot, 2-3 times per week about things that simply weren't true was loving. Restricting my world to some cultish belief system was hardly loving.

If you want to argue loving...let's argue self-loving. The narcisistic tendencies of long-term staff and the love of money. Tens of thousands of dollars from our parents. Many of whom had to take out second mortgages on their houses. Then they got to see their children kill themselves in the years following cedu because they couldn't adjust to the real world.

Yeah.....structurally sound. And loving....uh huh. Sure....
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2005, 04:27:00 PM »
Hey, people needed to be yelled at. Some of the kids there, along with myself, needed to get a rude awakening. They needed to get yelled at, hell some of them deserved a swift ass kicking. But You can't blame the failures of the kids on CEDU. They were there to help, not to hurt. Believe me if they were there to hurt, you would have known. I'm just sick of people shit talking such a wonderful institution. Expensive, yes. Controversial, yes. Destructive, NO! Everyone there had the best intentions. They might not always have been the best methods, but nothing is perfect. Don't blame the parents on the failures of the kids. I know for a fact that some of the kids I went there with would surely have died if they didn't go there. Some of them would have made it ok, I'll give you that. Some didn't need to be there but some really REALLY did. Cedu provided a structured environment for natural growth. Not growth stunted by drugs of sex or violence. Perhaps there was the occasional over stepping of boundries but all in all Cedu was not a bad place. You know I'm right.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2005, 06:48:00 PM »
Everyone there had the best intentions? Seeing as how CEDU was the #1 employer in that entire area, I'm gonna go ahead and say that most of the people who worked their just needed a fucking job.

So either you're joking, which I thought at first and no longer do, or you're just naive. But either way, you're an idiot. Glad you enjoyed eating staff's dick in the summit. I remember we had a term for faggets like you at BCA - "look good piece of shit".
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2005, 06:53:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-11 12:23:00, swingaway wrote:

"I agree. Why are so many people trying so hard to forget what happened there?! I too loved my time in Idaho. The propheets and workshops helped me realize who I really was. When I arrived there I was only a shell of a person. I agree with the poster of this topic that we should all embrace the tools we learned there and stop having such harsh feelings about what happened. "The Truth Shall Set You Free" Remember that one people? How 'bout we all stop listening to "I" and start listening to "ME""


There's a guy, his handle is TheSummitGives, who already pulled this joke. He was fuckin' hilarious. You just sound like a dumbass chump. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the first anonymous post that started this thread was actually you. Why would someone post twice and pretend someone is agreeing with them? Well, again, you're a dumb fucking chump. Bitch.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2005, 06:55:00 PM »
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Cedu taught me how to manage my relationships and not to sleep around with whatever pussy came around.  "


And by the way, you're a dude?? You sound like a fucking chick. Definitely a typical CEDU look good sack of shit.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »
Why is it that anyone who says anything pro-cedu sounds like they are joking?

Also, if they are serious, what's with this whole "shame on you" crap? I'm not shaming you guys for having a differing opinion, so don't shame me. I don't say "fuck you" or flame  program supporters, or any of that shit.  

Not like I reallly care, anyway, but it's a little ridiculous.

But I for one think you're joking.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2005, 08:55:00 PM »
That's why I think "they" (he) are (is) joking. Shame on you? That just sounds like some bullshit a team leader would've said to someone who just got caught with dirty piss or something. Absurd.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2005, 11:04:00 PM »
CEDU structurally sound? Loving? Loved ass kissers, sure.

The fact kids got yelled at is not the issue.  The fact that kids were bullied, coerced, humiliated, sexually exploited, and mindfucked is the issue.  Why do most pro Cedu people make it sound as if complainers are just whining because they got a little time out?

CEDU advertised falsely, both the quality of the academics AND the therapeutic ethics.  There are no therapeutic ethics when staff are poorly accredited and have no boundaries as far as where there shit begins and ours' end.  Do you know how many false confessions they beat into people?  There was ZERO individuated therapy for kids with issues such as depression or anxiety.  Unless you think emotionally castrating them is helpful.  Or just filling them up with horse tranks will keep them compliant.

There were ZERO tools given that actually work in the real world.  Every propheet was nothing but a set of highly contrived, manipulative atmospheric mind fucking experentials designed to give a heightened sense of false awareness. No impressionable kid should be subjected to that bullshit.

You think sitting around in a rap room filled with bullies who get their rocks off making people feel bad and distorting their stories is beneficial?  How about retraumatizing people who have been raped by calling them a slut? How about forcing young girls to recount trauma in front of staff who have copped out to raping?  Why is it necessary for a guy to be publicly humilaited about his dick size in front of 100 people?   Why should a black girl be called repeatedly a nigger?  

You know, I'm a big cry baby, but I don't think I shed an authentic tear in that place and do you know why? Because every fucking story was exploited or distorted to the extent I didn't even recognize it, and every emotion was just pummeled to death out of you. There were very few raps that had anything resembling truth, and if I were a better actor than I am, I probably would have stayed. But a big part of the reason I split was because I realized after my Truth propheet, "holy crap. I can't fake this shit. I better get the hell outta here."

Yeah, lots of kids had real issues but most of their real, individual issues were not REALLY dealt with in the isolated, cultic Whackville land that was CEDU. Their parents paid mucho dinero to park them in a group home with a nice brochure.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2005, 12:35:00 AM »
So CEDU is such a beautiful, euphoric, utopian, "structurally sound" existence?

I just read this recent post under the 'grow up already' thread.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#140110

Can you please tell me what is so beneficial and life-saving about an experience like that? Sounds like something only an under-qualified, over-worked staff member who can't check his personal baggage at the door is capable of.

Please step into reality. [ This Message was edited by: providence on 2005-10-11 21:35 ]
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2005, 12:46:00 PM »
Around here, you've got your "sheep" who love the program and think all those beautiful tools, and workshops, and experiences changed their lives and saved them from a miserable existence. Then you've got your people who despise CEDU and everything it stands for, and think it was nothing but a corrupt, mind fucking, brainwashing experience.

Well I'm here to tell you that you both went about it all wrong. Should've taken the third path: simply not giving a fuck. I really don't think CEDU was that big of a deal. Brainwashing? At a cushy place like CEDU, you can only LET yourself get brainwashed. Maybe you guys are just using that word out of its correct context or something, but I certainly didn't feel like I was at risk to get brainwashed at any point while I was there.

What was the worst they could do to you??? Yea, I agree, they tried to shove their program down your throat, and were sneaky and manipulative with your parents, and that all those schools just sucked in general. But I went to normal high school for a year and a half, and I remember thinking how much THAT sucked too.

But honestly, if you told them to shove their ridiculous "program" up their asses, what could they really do to you. Work assignments?? I loved work assignments. I would've rather done work assignments any day than those bullshit finger painting activities that were the alternative. Good for the heart! Restrictions? Sit me at a table or stick me in a room all night. I could care less. We were all stuck in that stupid little bubble of a campus anyways. Oh man, a jumpsuit? God forbid I can't wear my wranglers or whatever commissary clothes I "earned" after moving up to Quest. I'll take a jumpsuit any day.

Oh ok, they'll send you to Ascent. I loved Ascent. They sent me there twice, making three times in total, and I loved it every time. The food always tasted good there, course was such a nice break from all that Boulder Creek bullshit, so on and so  forth. When the escorts came to campus and told me I was going camping, they didn't even have to ask me twice to get in that van. I did it with a smile.

So I spent 13 of my 28 months as a voyager. Who cares? I certainly wasn't going to turn into some fake little look-good just so I could earn my caffeine privilege. Or my "wearing black" privilege. And once I did actually move up (after my I Want to Live to be exact), they were so happy I finally did it, and I really didn't even want to in the first place, that they started sending me on all those sweet trips like CAT Ski Trip and Salmon River, etc.

Workshops? How can you guys really complain that those mind fucked you. They were such a joke. How about that Imagine? Where they sat there and tried to fuck with your head and deprive you of sleep for hours upon hours. Busting out popcorn and saying they were watching you play your roles. What a joke. The I & Me? Ha! How about that shit where they made you run in place until you would go sit by the wall and yell at the floor. "WAAAAAH! I TELL MYSELF I'M A DIRTY SLUT!!" I must've run a damn marathon in place. I remember being the only one still running, and laughing my ass off at all those chumps sitting on the side telling the floor all about how they smoke too much crack. Eventually they started making me do push ups, and then back to the running, before I just passed out from dehydration.

I did 19 restrictions, 11 of which were full-times, 3 of which were jumpsuits. I was safe-housed 4 times, went to Ascent twice (and once more before even arriving at Boulder Creek). I was having more than enough sex, had a steady weed hook up, and probably did more work assignments than half the people on these forums combined. And in the end? I can't remember a single "tool", "rap direction", "writing assignment", or any of that shit they tried to force on me. I had a blast at Boulder Creek. Y'all should've tried to do the same.
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