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Offline providence

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« on: October 11, 2005, 12:59:00 AM »
Is there still anyone around here that actually went to Morava before its closure? I've been trying to learn as much about WWASPS as possible, but it's been pretty tough to figure out what the deal was with Morava. Was it as bad as, say, Paradise Cove or Tranquility Bay? Any insight would really be much appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
There's some info on Morava here:

http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/moravaacademy.html
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 12:20:00 AM »
Wow, that is all some very disturbing literature. Absolutely disgusting is actually more like it. What I don't understand is what the hell parents were thinkinf sending their kids to the Czech Republic for residential treatment. Just baffles me. My heart goes out to survivors of Morava.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »
After the closure of Morava, in typical WWASP fashion, many students were transferred to Spring Creek Lodge and other WWASP programs. Its amazing that parents would send their child out of the country and even more amazing that they would transfer them to another WWASP program after such a closure.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 07:16:00 PM »
Seriously. Any parent sending their child to the Czech Republic for 'help' is certifiably insane. Or extremely stupid, gullabe and rich enough to get REEMED up the ass by a bunch of swindling child-abusers.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 08:44:00 PM »
Was Morava closed FOR child abuse, or under allegations of child abuse or none of the above?  Just sensationalized newspaper type reports?  

Back when Morava was open, were there a lot of other "effective" alternatives? WWASPS has the best success and their program model is used by most of the other programs out there, so tell me the facts, not just your judgements or newspaper articles.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 08:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-12 17:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Was Morava closed FOR child abuse, or under allegations of child abuse or none of the above?  Just sensationalized newspaper type reports?  



Back when Morava was open, were there a lot of other "effective" alternatives? WWASPS has the best success and their program model is used by most of the other programs out there, so tell me the facts, not just your judgements or newspaper articles.  "


thanks for the laughs!  :rofl:
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2005, 08:48:00 PM »
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WWASPS has the best success and their program model is used by most of the other programs out there


By success you must mean net income. (tens of millions $$$)

Otherwise you could provide us with some statistics which show their success rate, or what you use to compare programs....? .... we are waiting.

Model, huh? You mean jailing teens into submission over a long term period, until they cite the mantr to their parents at graduation, only to return ot their old behaviors once out of the program environment? Oh yeah, great model!

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2005, 08:49:00 PM »
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Just sensationalized newspaper type reports?


That'some first class program-speak!  :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 08:46:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-12 17:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Was Morava closed FOR child abuse, or under allegations of child abuse or none of the above?  Just sensationalized newspaper type reports?  



Back when Morava was open, were there a lot of other "effective" alternatives? WWASPS has the best success and their program model is used by most of the other programs out there, so tell me the facts, not just your judgements or newspaper articles.  "
They were charged with child abuse and I believe "torture."

It was also noted that the two primary WWASP staff there were previously convicted of child abuse in Utah (imagine what fucked up stuff you have to do there to get convicted!).

Yeah, they're a GREAT program, buddy.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 01:17:00 PM »
Yeah whatever happened to Glenda Roach and her husband?  They ran one of the first WWASPS/Teen Help programs in Mexico before it was shut down (Sunset Beach?) then they went to Morava.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »
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(imagine what fucked up stuff you have to do there to get convicted!)


This is so true. As a former student who watched a program director beat the shit out of a student, which was never reported. If this staff was actually CHARGED with abuse in UTAH out of all states, it must have been pretty bad and going on for some time.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2005, 08:03:00 PM »
and then they went to florida.  hope a hurricane hit em.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »
i was at scl when all the kids from morava came. abunch of girls and guys. girls were in the class next to mine. i remember on time myself and another family memeber went and did stuff in their "group". those chicks were cool. if anyone knows how to contact anyone that was at scl from morava please write back
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