Mental Health Screening in Schools Signals the End of Parent

[Paul]

None!

I guess this issue is only at the ablechild.org
level, and has not hit the newspapers.

Deborah, it would probably be fair to the Fornits
readers if you would divulge that these big stories
have not hit the mainstream news as of yet. It would
help the reader to understand the magnitude of the story, and to rely less on your upper case shouts.

[Paul]

On 2005-06-11 07:13:00, Deborah wrote:

"http://www.wndu.com/news/062005/news_42743.php

Osceola family suing over teen screen survey



In the lawsuit, Teresa and Michael Rhoades, parents of a Penn student, claim the survey was erroneous, improper, and done with reckless disregard for their daughter's welfare.  



The lawsuit also claims the Rhoades? did not give the school permission to give the test.  



Note in this article: "Steven Bright of Madison Center said no one else has complained about the consent procedure for TeenScreen, which now has been given to about 2,000 local students during the current school year."

I guess this answers how active the Rhoades "hotline" has been ...

http://www.psychsearch.net/teresarhoades.html

South Bend Tribune (Indiana)

January 19, 2005

Student's parents object to TeenScreen notice

By: DAVID RUMBACH

OSCEOLA -- The parents of a Penn High School sophomore are questioning the passive procedure being used to obtain parental permission for a suicide risk-mental health screening called TeenScreen.

The screening is being given to sophomores in most local high schools this school year. It was given at Penn in December.

Parents at Penn and other schools could withhold their children from the screening by returning a form mailed to their houses. Parents who did not sign the form and return it were considered to have given permission for TeenScreen.

Teresa Rhoades of Osceola says that procedure does not ensure parents are aware of the program and they really intend for their children to participate.

She claims she never received the form and she did not hear about TeenScreen until her daughter came home and told her she had taken it.

"They're assuming that parents are receiving this, reading it and deciding not to send it back,'' she said. "I'm concerned whether parents are really aware of this."

Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp. officials are reviewing the use of passive consent for TeenScreen and expect to announce some changes at a school board meeting next week, said Teresa Carroll, a spokeswoman for the corporation.

Steven Bright of Madison Center said no one else has complained about the consent procedure for TeenScreen, which now has been given to about 2,000 local students during the current school year.

Madison Center, the community mental health agency, is administering the screening on behalf of CONNECT, a pro-education consortium of local agencies.

The screening is voluntary, and students can and do refuse to take it. It consists of a questionnaire that assesses a student for suicide risk, substance abuse and symptoms of common mood disorders.

Students who test positive on the initial questionnaire are asked to meet with a Madison Center therapist for a deeper evaluation that same day. That meeting also is voluntary.

Bright said the use of a passive consent procedure enables TeenScreen to reach a high percentage of students.

It's intended to prevent teen suicides as well as to help parents find mental health professionals who can help their children recover from potentially debilitating mood disorders.

"We would probably see the level of participation drop way off (if active consent were required)," he said. "We're doing this to help kids feel better, to help them be more successful. It's for their betterment.''

Teresa Rhoades and her husband, Michael, said they're upset that their daughter took the screening without their knowledge.

They monitor her activities and personal contacts closely and don't like surprises.

"We want to be sure we know what she's being exposed to,'' Teresa Rhoades said.

"If they go on a field trip, they don't have passive permission,'' Michael Rhoades said. "Isn't this just as important?''

[Paul]

Yes, Deborah, this will be a double post to this thread as well as the:
 
"Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?"

This is not even funny!

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[Antigen]

From: The Liberty Committee
Subject: Mental screening of children
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:52:22 -0700

June 21, 2005


The American tradition of parents deciding what is best for their children is under attack.  The pharmaceutical industry wants universal mental screening for every child in America, including preschool children.  But universal screening alone is not what the pharmaceutical industry wants.  The real payoff for the drug companies is the drugging of children that will result -- as we learned tragically with Ritalin -- even when parents refuse!

The drug companies want your children to be "screened."  The psychiatric establishment wants to do the "screening."  And even a recent presidential commission (New Freedom Commission on Mental Health) supports it all. These
powerful groups want your children "screened" -- whether or not you, as parents, give permission.

Congressman Ron Paul, an OB/GYN physician for over 30 years, is desperately
trying to keep the drug companies, politicians and federal bureaucrats from
becoming parents to your children.  Dr. Paul will introduce this week an amendment to the Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations Act for FY 2006 that will withhold funds from being used to implement or support any federal, mental screening program.

In a letter to his congressional colleagues, Dr. Paul states:  "As you know, psychotropic drugs are increasingly prescribed for children who show nothing more than children?s typical rambunctious behavior.  Many children have suffered harmful effects from these drugs.  Yet some parents have even been charged with child abuse for refusing to drug their children. The federal government should not promote national mental health screening programs that will force the use of these psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin."

If you think this action alert is about something that "can't happen here," think again.  In 1995, the state of Texas launched the Texas Medication Algorithm Project.  (WorldNetDaily.com, June 21, 2004)

The state of Illinois has also approved a mental health screening program.  The Illinois legislature passed the Children?s Mental Health Act of 2003 which will provide screening for "all children ages 0-18" and "ensure appropriate and culturally relevant assessment of your children's social and emotional development with the use of standardized tools."  In addition, all pregnant women in Illinois are to be screened for depression.

Dr. Karen R. Effrem, a pediatrician and leading opponent of universal  screening with EdAction states:  "Universal mental health screening and the drugging of children, as recommended by the New Freedom Commission [presidential  commission], needs to be stopped so that many thousands if not millions of children will be saved from receiving stigmatizing diagnoses that would follow them for the rest of their lives.  America?s school children should not be medicated by expensive, ineffective, and dangerous medications based on vague and dubious diagnoses."

Dr. Effrem warns:

1.  Parental rights are unclear or non-existent under these screening programs.
2.  Parents are already being coerced to put their children on psychiatric medications and some children are dying because of it.
3.  Mental health screening does not prevent suicide.
4.  Mental health diagnoses are "subjective" and "social constructions" as admitted by the authors of the diagnostic manuals themselves.
5.  Most psychiatric medications do not work in children.
6.  The side effects of these medications in children are severe.
7.  The untoward influence by the pharmaceutical industry, or at least the impropriety, is abundantly clear in two important aspects of this issue.
8.  Merging screening with the academic standards required by No Child Left Behind, as is happening in Illinois, will lead to diagnosis for political reasons.  School mental health and violence prevention programs funded by NCLB and government counterterrorism operations are already using such criteria as "homophobia" and "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN" to label school children and US citizens as mentally unstable and violent.  (EdAction.org)

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "yes" on the Paul amendment to stop universal mental screening of children.  If your U.S. representative does not vote "yes" on the Paul amendment, he or she supports screening your children without your permission -- just as the drug companies want.

The U.S. House will vote on the Paul amendment Thursday or Friday.  Send your e-mail message today and call your U.S. representative too.  Also, please spread the word.

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[Anonymous]

For a child with pediatric bipolar disorder, the risk of dying by suicide is 20%.  Most of those happen within the first three or four years after diagnosis.

Treated, the risk drops to 11%.

Lithium is very effective in bipolar children, but the need to closely monitor blood levels, while the child is constantly growing and changing, makes it not necessarily the first line treatment.

Other mood stabilizers control the mood swings just as well, usually, so usually it doesn't come down to needing to go to lithium.

Mania causes brain damage.  The longer a child with pediatric bipolar disorder is allowed to be unstable, the more damage their is to the child's frontal lobes, resulting in IQ loss, as well as regression in reading, mathematics, writing---not simply failure to learn, but actual loss of skills already learned.  Executive function problems, psychosis, extremely violent bipolar rages that do damage to people or property--rages lasting four to five hours.

Failing to stabilize a bipolar child can mean the difference between learning in school and ultimately being a functional adult with a job, versus total lifelong social security-qualifying disability.

The drugs have risks, but for severe, serious mental illnesses, the risks of the drugs are lower than the risks of leaving the child unstable.

I wouldn't wish my childhood hell of being bipolar without diagnosis or treatment on anyone.

Much that the parents of children with pediatric bipolar disorder have noticed and know from experience is still being researched and documented by the scientific community.

The drugs work.  When you can cut your child's risk of suicide in half, you take it.

There are pros and cons to various treatments of other disorders, but for pediatric bipolar disorder, medication is absolutely essential.  It makes the difference between a despairing, totally disabled child and a happy, functional child.

Medication doesn't make those of us with bipolar disorder normal, but it does make us more stable and better off than we are without it.

Timoclea

[Paul]

[A message from the other side of the ring,
I guess ... note the voluntary part (?) ...
perhaps the voluntary guarantees need to
reinforced, that is all - Paul]

Background on the Paul Amendment

NAMI strongly opposes an amendment that will be
offered by Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) that would  prohibit the use of federal funding for mental health screening.

Mental health screening will save lives.? The
early identification of mental illnesses in youth through screening helps prevent tragedies including youth suicide, youth locked in juvenile detention centers, school dropout and failure and
immeasurable suffering.

Mental illnesses are involved in over 90% of the 30,000 suicides in this country every year.

Contrary to claims by some, no one is calling for
universal or mandatory mental health screening without parental consent. Not President Bush,
not President Bush's New Freedom Commission on
Mental Health, and certainly not mental health advocates -- no one.

Attacks on mental health screening are grounded
in stigma and prejudice. This amendment targets mental illnesses and threatens to drive up
stigma. Stigma is one of the greatest barriers
to individuals accessing treatment for mental illnesses.

President Bush and other national leaders have called for an end to stigma. This amendment must
be defeated to avoid further stigmatizing mental
illnesses.

Our nation has a public health crisis in
unidentified youth with mental illnesses. We only identify 20% of youth with mental illnesses --
thereby failing to identify and intervene with
services for 80% of youth with often tragic consequences.

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-22 13:11:00, Paul wrote:



NAMI strongly opposes an amendment that will be

offered by Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) that would  prohibit the use of federal funding for mental health screening.

Naturally! NAMI gets paid too.

Mental health screening will save lives.?

proof?

The

early identification of mental illnesses in youth through screening helps prevent tragedies including youth suicide, youth locked in juvenile detention centers, school dropout and failure and

immeasurable suffering.

Again, proof?

Mental illnesses are involved in over 90% of the 30,000 suicides in this country every year.

Most of the suicides I know of occured after years of intense "therapy".

Contrary to claims by some, no one is calling for

universal or mandatory mental health screening without parental consent.

Bullshit! How many people are even vaguely aware that DARE (theoretically) requires parental consent? Schoolpeople don't obey their own laws. They just roll overy anyone who doesn't put up a fight.

Not President Bush,

not President Bush's New Freedom Commission on

Mental Health, and certainly not mental health advocates -- no one.

If politicians are the best you can do, you're really scrapping bottom here.

Attacks on mental health screening are grounded

in stigma and prejudice.

And prescience. Read Gulag Archipelago.

This amendment targets mental illnesses and threatens to drive up

stigma. Stigma is one of the greatest barriers

to individuals accessing treatment for mental illnesses.

And prescience. Read Gulag Archipelago.

President Bush and other national leaders[sic] have called for an end to stigma.

And we all know that presidential edicts are effective. What color is the sky on your planet?

This amendment must

be defeated to avoid further stigmatizing mental

illnesses.

But... you just said the screening would drive up this stigma?? So.... again, what color is the sky on your world? Is it nice there? Bet they don't have chocolate!

Our nation has a public health crisis in

unidentified youth with mental illnesses. We only identify 20% of youth with mental illnesses --

thereby failing to identify and intervene with

services for 80% of youth with often tragic consequences."

I think our nation has a crisis w/ altruistic tyrants who carry the delusion that everybody's crazy and in need of their "help". Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

Paul, you remind me very much of every other Program proponant I've ever met. Asking you about the psyche industry is like asking a barber if I need a haircut. Except that I never asked you, you just came along. No barber has ever done that to me before.... wait, there was this one hairdresser who was tabling at a weekend festival in Florida many years ago. Insisted on braiding my hair for free as advertisement. I TOLD him my ears stick out too much for that. Did he listen? No, he did not! I finally just let him do the deed and then took it down once I got a safe distance from him.

Zealots suck!

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)

[Anonymous]

Paul said that perhaps the voluntary guarantees need to be reinforced.

One way I can think of to do that is to offer the screening a couple of times a year on a Saturday at the school.

Want it?  Show up.  Don't want it?  Don't.

Timoclea

[Paul]

Timoclea, I think that is a good idea. It
would not interfer with regular classes,
and going in to school on a different day
would contribute to the voluntariness of it.

Ginger, speaking of voluntariness, jeeperz.
Speaking of being a zeolot. What do you want
laws when they are convenient to you, and
civil disobedience when they are not?

You quote the COS dogma in your posts such
as "powerful brain altering" medications,
yet, you want the freedom for all drugs to
be legal.

You identify troubled people in therapy
often commit suicide, duh, I wonder why
they where in therapy?

Did anyone state that therapy is 100%

Is your protocol of doing nothing a 100%

Homeschooling, is that the answer? Perhaps
for the fringe, how about for the whole
population. Yes, no? If so, how to manage
that?

Stating that all statistics are in question
is too much. So I guess you are right, there
is no problem, medication cause mental illness
and no one goes to jail ...

Welcome to GingerWorld ...

Frankly now, what is wrong with teaching people
their rights, rather than bitching about that
no one knows their rights?

I suggested people on Fornits get involved, all
I got back was criticism.

Perhaps that is why the behavioral boarding schools that you all hate so much are still
doing business as usual.

Complaining and over stating the negatives is not
going to improve any system and will not help educate the masses.

[Paul]

On 2005-06-22 13:27:00, Antigen wrote:

"

Ginger to respond to your hystria type responses is a little ridiculous, but what the heck.


On 2005-06-22 13:11:00, Paul wrote:





NAMI strongly opposes an amendment that will be


offered by Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) that would  prohibit the use of federal funding for mental health screening.

Naturally! NAMI gets paid too.



Most people get paid.

Mental health screening will save lives.?

proof?

The data presented to the Freedom Commission.
Prove that not helping is better?

The


early identification of mental illnesses in youth through screening helps prevent tragedies including youth suicide, youth locked in juvenile detention centers, school dropout and failure and


immeasurable suffering.

Again, proof?

Again, being a critic is the easiest role one can have. What is your suggestion?

Mental illnesses are involved in over 90% of the 30,000 suicides in this country every year.

Most of the suicides I know of occured after years of intense "therapy".

Ginger, must I tell you that sick people get therapy. People are sick then go to therapy. They
do not go to therapy healthy, then get sick.



Contrary to claims by some, no one is calling for


universal or mandatory mental health screening without parental consent.

Bullshit!

Well, damn, that is just what the law states,
voluntary ...



How many people are even vaguely aware that DARE (theoretically) requires parental consent?



What are you doing about this? Only criticism?



Schoolpeople don't obey their own laws. They just roll overy anyone who doesn't put up a fight.

Again, there is the law, and there are rights and protections. What are you doing?


Not President Bush,


not President Bush's New Freedom Commission on


Mental Health, and certainly not mental health advocates -- no one.

If politicians are the best you can do, you're really scrapping bottom here.



What? Is there someone else passing laws?

Attacks on mental health screening are grounded


in stigma and prejudice.

And prescience. Read Gulag Archipelago.



That would not be a very good reference. The US
in 2005 is not comparable to the USSR between 1918-1956.

This amendment targets mental illnesses and threatens to drive up


stigma. Stigma is one of the greatest barriers


to individuals accessing treatment for mental illnesses.

And prescience. Read Gulag Archipelago.

Again, not relevant.

President Bush and other national leaders[sic] have called for an end to stigma.

And we all know that presidential edicts are effective. What color is the sky on your planet?

OK, now our leaders shouldn't even try, correct?
Instead your solution is?


This amendment must


be defeated to avoid further stigmatizing mental


illnesses.

But... you just said the screening would drive up this stigma?? So.... again, what color is the sky on your world? Is it nice there? Bet they don't have chocolate!

I believe they are referring to passing the costs on to the states, counties, local school districts and perhaps parents. The controversy resulting from this bill would keep in on the front pages. I think this is what they are referring to, and hmm, my world, my sky, is mostly mental health meetings where I go to help from the inside, not criticize from the outside.



Our nation has a public health crisis in


unidentified youth with mental illnesses. We only identify 20% of youth with mental illnesses --


thereby failing to identify and intervene with


services for 80% of youth with often tragic consequences."

I think our nation has a crisis w/ altruistic tyrants who carry the delusion that everybody's crazy and in need of their "help". Delusions of grandeur, anyone?



Again, for those going to jail and/or committing suicide or those doing terrible in life due to illness, your solution ... your solution ... your contribution.

Delusions of grandeur? How about your statement:
"everybody's crazy and in need of their "help""

Do you also believe the screening has an automatic mental illness outcome. Every person?

Where did you read that? Or did you not mean to state  "everybody's" ?




Paul, you remind me very much of every other Program proponant I've ever met. Asking you about the psyche industry is like asking a barber if I need a haircut. Except that I never asked you, you just came along. No barber has ever done that to me before.... wait, there was this one hairdresser who was tabling at a weekend festival in Florida many years ago. Insisted on braiding my hair for free as advertisement. I TOLD him my ears stick out too much for that. Did he listen? No, he did not! I finally just let him do the deed and then took it down once I got a safe distance from him.



Yup, your tale is relevant, thanks.

Probably every other program proponant you met mentioned voluntary choices and built in protections ... that must really piss you off!


Zealots suck!

Are you referring you you, or me?

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)

"

By the way, quotes like this are cute, but not usually relevant. Of course, you can post whatever you want, it is all voluntary. Just as carrying arms today is voluntary ...

[Paul]

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[Anonymous]

Are you kidding? I hope this bill passes.

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-22 15:41:00, Paul wrote:

And prescience. Read Gulag Archipelago.



That would not be a very good reference. The US
in 2005 is not comparable to the USSR between 1918-1956.

History never repeats itself, but it always rhymes. There are a good many legit comparisons between the US today and the early USSR. Even Orwell, who was more than a little fond of some of Uncle Joe's ideas, warned us about government shrinks.

"When did I realize it? Well, one day I was praying and suddenly realized I was talking to myself."
--God

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-22 15:08:00, Paul wrote:

Ginger, speaking of voluntariness, jeeperz.
Speaking of being a zeolot. What do you want
laws when they are convenient to you, and
civil disobedience when they are not?

Convenient? No, lots of good, sound laws are often inconvenient. But unjust laws should not be upheld.

You quote the COS dogma in your posts such
as "powerful brain altering" medications,
yet, you want the freedom for all drugs to
be legal.

First, you must be quoting someone else. I didn't say that. And second, YES!!! It should be (actually, according to our constitution, is on the federal level) perfectly legal to take or not take any particular drug or treatment. That's not just a good idea, it's the law. Any agency or contractor who tells you otherwise is misguided or dishonest (usually misguided)

"The sadist cannot stand the separation of the public and the private; nor can he grant to others the mystery of their personality, the validity of their inner self...in order for him to feel his maximum power, he wants the world to be peopled with concrete manipulatable objects... "
-- ERNEST BECKER, The Structure of Evil, 1968.

Why have you got such a problem w/ personal liberty and responsibility? Why must you invoke force of law to make sure everybody else is taking the drugs you think they should take and not taking the drugs you don't think they should take? "The New Freedom" init is just about the most Orwelian turn of a phrase I've heard lately. I want the OLD freedom back, damn it!

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[Paul]

On 2005-06-22 16:20:00, Antigen wrote:


Even Orwell, who was more than a little fond of some of Uncle Joe's ideas, warned us about government shrinks.

Ginger,

Look, no matter how many times I say voluntary,
with protections and you ignore me, is not my
choice, it is yours.

When you make this kind of reference, I guess
you are trying to tell me shrinks are bad. No
matter how many times I post that I have been
helped by shrinks and it was all voluntary.

How to make your points irrelevent? Speak in
absolute terms, tell a safisfied customer they
are wrong ...

Thanks but no thanks ...