Peninsula Village

[Anonymous]

ironic, I read "bury my heart at wounded knee" last summer
very horribly ironic,

[Anonymous]

thats a beautiful book
you should also watch a movie caled rabbit proof fence.
its also institutional abuse of the indeginous population of australia.

its really beautiful

[Anonymous]

i was reading something yesterday about aboriginals on Tasmania, crazy coincidence.
 it was very sad, there is this book at work called Forgotten  History, it all is very sad it seems, people only want to remember the nice things,
PV needs to make the kids in there look as bad as possible,
it keeps them in business,
no criminals, bad girls and sensational lurid tabloid headlines, no business.
this applies other places as well maybe?
it has in the past, no criminals no need for the police state?
I'm sorry, no advertised fear of criminals, no money for a police state?
I have not found the police, sorry I know their jobs are hard, to be very helpful.  
Of course there is plenty of crime as it is, but in real situations, what is the adage?
always there when you don't need them, never there when you do and not very helpful and supportive when you do.  
cops seem often like the collection crew to me, and our system does seem to treat people as if they are guilty until proven innocent not the other way around.
If you are accused of something or arrested on suspicion, you are suddenly in the belly of the beast and it chews on you for a bit till you can get due process of law,
anything to do with the law costs a great deal of money  
I'm a political science law and justice major, and a senior so I get to see a lot of this stuff
I was reading about California outsourcing prisons and how they seem to be actually encouraging repeat offenders,
rehabilitation and such has become less of a focus
the companies are also lobbying for harsher sentences as well!
the longer prisoners are in and the harsher the sentences the more state money they get.  it was in the Wall Street Journal.

[Anonymous]

You can look up other ex PV people on MySpace.  
very nice and normal, it says a lot about how "BAD" the people in there really are
The teens in PV really are pretty ordinary nice teens most of them
the ones that are not probably won't benefit from all the abuse either.
teens are supposed to be somewhat odd, since when did we start abusing the odd?
Odd creative depressed, artistic and so on  
It is great to see how well many of the kids do in spite of PV
My self included, It certainly has had a bad effect on me
but I feel good about myself and I am doing great in college
I also am almost done, one more year
how fine the ex PV teens on Myspace are is testament to how sane and rational these kids really are
It is Myspace after all, the sites tend to be somewhat honest
PV staff probably got read the riot act about posting anything odd after bondage counselors site, PV was aware of it and she had to clean it up
it says that if PV tried to work with them on a more rational level than abuse abuse and more abuse
the teens are perfectly capable of being helped
they seem to get out of PV, and basically have to fix themselves while dealing with the additional trauma of having been in PV
I know I just keep going and deal with it and now I'm finally getting somewhere
if the kids were half as bad or as troubled as PV tries to make them out to be they would not be able to handle everything so well, or handle it at all
I wonder if the post traumatic stress has kicked in yet,
it actually took me a few years to start having bad nightmares?
At first I just had unexplained migraines  

Some of the staff is on Myspace, I think bondage counselor took her site down couldn't find it.  It was there though, ISAC had it listed
they look smaller than I remember them?
some of the staff appears to be in college, Johnston Bible college,
I wonder what kind of college that is?   Do they teach in biology class that the world started in biblical times?  seriously?

[Anonymous]

If any of the reasons PV gives for teens to be in there are true
Their way of handling them, senseless arbitrary abuse, is completely irrational
PV makes teens with depression want to stay as far away from psychiatrists as humanly possible
It makes abuse victims feel as if they deserved the abuse and then it abuses them more
If a teen has problems with anger and aggression, it would certainly make them more aggressive?
It would make non aggressive teens aggressive and angry?  If you corner something and poke it with a stick it tends to lash out to try and get away.
Places like PV belong back in the eugenics era or the late 60’s when we still had an apartheid in this country.
Most of the teens on Myspace look like they partied some, maybe let their grades slip?
Perhaps they were dealing badly with life issues?  So we put them in a prison camp to be abused horribly for a year or two and take away all their civil liberties?
Again this way of dealing with minors is unacceptable, archaic, irrational, abusive and so on.
Again these prison camps for teens are leftovers from those happier before mentioned times, we have special education in schools, we don’t put kids with cerebral palsy in horrific institutions any more.
The teens in PV are nice normal teens, who somehow found the glitch, the evil loophole in the system that leads back to a stupid hell we are taught to believe we have left behind.  
I think far more attention needs to be paid to the reality of what is going on here and how it ties in to other angles, like the foster care system and the juvenile justice system.
If you know it’s out there it’s a little like being a kid and sex, it goes over your head then the next thing you know you realize it really is out there!
Don’t forget to recognize it and look!!
And don’t forget to remember the nice cute kids on Myspace are the real people stuck in these places, not the people the media would like you to believe.
The Wall Street Journal, a few years ago, recomended investing in "troubled teen camps" because they make so much overhead money.  
I was out west traveling and two of the little had ones

[Anonymous]

And just in case anyone from PV see's this and comes on with their slimey spy like behaviors I hope you read this

EAAAAAT SHIT. I am livng well, I own my own fucking bussiness, I have my own place, I have a kick ass girlfriend whom I love dearly, still have relationships with all my friends you said did not give a shit about me.... I still drink like a fucking fish and tomarrow Iam going to DISNEYLAND to stay at the GRAND CALIFORNIAN HOTEL paid by the money I made even though you FUCKED over my education, YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN... IAM LUCKY THAT YOUR PSYCOLOGICAL BRAINWASHING DID NOT PHASE ME BUT YOU ARE GONNA PAY FOR ALL THE LIVES YOU MANGLED, AND JUST YOU WAIT... IF YOU THOUGHT I GAVE YOU HELL WHEN I WAS A PATIENT YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET... IAM GONNA SHOW YOU THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEFIANT YOU SOCIOPATHIC, COMMUNISTIC, SELF RIGHTIOUS,, UNDERQUALIFIED NAZI'S.

HEY TODD ROBERTS....YOU WERE A PRICK THEN YOU ARE A PRICK NOW, AND YOU WERE NEVER IN THE FUCKING MILITARY SO LOSE THE STUPID CRUE CUT

[ZenAgent]

Exactly!  A high and heart-felt extended middle finger to the oppressors!  Angry, staffers?  You don't even have the right to be.  Yet.

[psy]

Ya know... I should probably say this as guest but I have a strict policy against posting anon unless I am going to suggest something Illegal...  SO:

Take this as constructive criticism:  

You have a lot of important things to say about your experiences, but as you write them down, in a stream of consciousness manner... nobody is going to understand or read all of it.  A lot of it is repeated, sentences are fragmented, punctuation is misused to confusing effect? This is not to say you should change what you say...  but you might want to re-consider how you say it if you want anybody to listen.  You might have more responses if people could read your posts (without sifting through fragmented ideas and large brain-to-text dumps.)

Here's what I suggest: write it all down for yourself, then organize it so somebody _else_ can understand it...  Otherwise, you're just writing a journal in public, and while there are times and places for that, if you want to speak out against them, it is helpful to do so clearly.

PS:  Sorry for calling your impersonator a cunt.

PPS:  If you had asked me kindly, to avoid such language in your presence, i just might.  That is all I was suggesting you try and do, rather than cry foul first.  That's all, and let's leave it at that (we'll probably disagree, but I am against censoring speech for any reason whatsoever... ever.  Voluntarily being polite is entirely another matter, and it results in no harsh feelings).

[Anonymous]

I was refering to the 50's era in relation to treatment of the handicapped or "delinquents",  
before the 1975 Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).  
eugenics era is interesting, caught up many ordinary people  
sorry apartheid ended in late 60's
 yes I know 1964 Civil Rights Act but laws and reality don't always add up,
it was greatly ignored in the south where i live until later.
affirmative action in schools around here is interesting,
I am unsure what to think of it,
facts always have many sides positive and negative
 the schools stayed segregated in  many places till late 60's early 70's.  also later it could be argued
Busing put a lot of the problems on kids and teens both black and white, stuck them right in the middle of it
It is certainly important to be aware of hiring practices and school acceptance in relation to race and such?  
to keep records statistics to notice problems  
if you have something to say about PV, were you in PV?
Please post something about your experiences!
the more people telling the truth about PV the better
I am ignoring you psych because it was far too odd of you to come back with program party line?
And please I did not say that to start an arguement,

[psy]

I am ignoring you psych because it was far too odd of you to come back with program party line?

K.
Well you can think I'm a staffer.


Oh.  yes.. i work for PV...  That is clearly evident by the website I created (see the sig) in an attempt to do, with Benchmark, what you are failing to do right now with your incoherent and repetitive rants: shut down a program.  You dishonor the suffering your friends went through by representing their suffering in such a haphazard manner.

You can have this thread you have appropriated.  Keep talking to yourself, and you will accomplish nothing.  Forget I even tried to offer some advice.

And it's "psy" not "psych"..

Show some respect if you expect others to do the same for you.

[ZenAgent]

Free, the easiest way to tell if someone is a trolling staffer or not is to check their status:  Are they a registered Fornits poster, and how often have they posted.  Click on their profile, and read their posts.  You'll be able to tell who's spouting program rubbish and who isn't, which is another reason you should register.  If you still don't want to register, that's fine, too, we know you now.  Can you reply to the last email I sent, I'd like to see what you think of the idea.

[Anonymous]

no offense but criticizing me doesn't help close down PV either.
I don't make program kids look bad.
 I type a lot but PTS is a good excuse for that?
 I am in college so I read and am reasonably articulate.
I don't swear, which parents tend to approve of.
 I don't drink or do drugs, I get good grades in college.
People could skim or skip half of what I say it makes no difference.  
then what pops up, abuse and pornography?
People railing on the south, which I like and live in and am very fond of really.
Or calling PV staff fat, which is mean and not helpful, I know many very nice pretty plump people with far larger chests than me, that were in PV and it probably doesn't help them to hear such slurs.
If you are from a program, irrelevant arguments about the nature of sexual harassment that dissolve into the pictures and insults that other people ended up throwing around here, do not make program kids look good to parents.
Sexual harassment is a big problem for a lot of the girls in PV and it is not just "jokes" it's sexual bullying :roll: that often leads to worse abuse
Also what person out of a program, other than a very sick one, would use program insults.  
"You are just being dramatic" is a program staple as is self centeredness.  
the girl they put in the bed net mentions it.
 and posting non related pictures of abuse and porn is not self centered, and talking about maybe if you did this they would not have raped you?  
what in the name of fascist hell is that?  
It was all very program, and odd as hell?  
It seems that people who were not in a program or can't keep it above a level that parents might actually respond too, are not doing anything good either.  
Psy I don't think you are PV staff but you have a very program way of arguing?
I did not insult you or men I simply said men don't understand the fear of assault the way women do.
there is something very odd about all of this,
I was reading a bunch of posts here and there, and there is something odd in general
when someone from a program posts something often it seems they are attacked about random things like spelling?  
who cares about spelling if it is legible, and the other lines they are attacked in are also very very program.
what other survivor would attack another survivor about spelling, or call them self centered, or dramatic.
 this is program lingo, it’s even on the PV website,
I heard it all sixteen million times a day, they say it to everyone?
There is a lot of money, interests that these programs are defending?
it would seem rational that they would go to sites such as this to protect their interests and to hound survivors away from posting
these sites pop up when you type in the names of the various programs, and they are easy to register with or just post
I post statistics about how many women die from assault and it is irrelevant ranting?  
I post about the history of the industry and it is irrelevant ranting
I post about the abuse at PV and how most of the girls were nice relatively normal teens.
I think Zen agent is a cop researching PV maybe? because I know of at least two families that reported PV, I also called the police about it, insurance fraud is no joke
Good lord I bitched at a cop, sorry sorry sorry. It wasn’t personal just in general mad at the way girls out of PV get stigmatized,  
I post about PV blaming abuse victims for the abuse they suffered and it is less relevant than you calling me the c word and dramatic?
I post about funding for PV, and other places and state lobbying and the promotion of stereotypes in relation to big money
And pharmaceutical companies also giving money to PV and PV providing them with big business, and this is irrelevant?    
It is true and pretty relevant and coherent.  Do you understand me?
Money money abuse abuse money stigma money abuse?  Does that sum it up for you because I’m done ranting I think.
I also post about the horrible practices at PV and what a farce therapy is there, and so on
I also collect stories by other survivors from other places and post them here, and this is irrelevant how?
of course I also emailed all the PV survivors on MySpace and asked them to post as well.
that is irrelevant too though I'm sure

[nimdA]

Give it up Psy and move on.

Free We are Not please get a user account!

[Anonymous]

ok psy I read your site,
I had actually gone to it a day or two ago, and you sound just like me only male.  
that's not an insult, you just don't have any focus on womens issues on your site, probably because you are not female?
many of the girls I was in PV with either had been assaulted or were in for being assaulted?

many told really severe stories of sexual harassment bullying, not hah hah, jokes, with a punch line, a guy walks into a bar and such, just bullying,some guy corners you and says sexual stuff,

not swearing, i used to swear all the time, got out of the habit now that I'm older and work all the time, it's frowned upon in the book store.

my only point with all of it is girls get blamed for sexual assault and abuse at the Village which is one of the worst things, in spite of all the other horrors.  and that the girls are the victims and teaching them it is their fault is the worst thing you can do, as is breaking them down and abusing them in relation to it.

[Anonymous]

didn't you used to be a counselor,
I don't like your bear he looks aggressive, and a hell of a lot like a counselor running in to restrain someone?
Hmmm, it's not just a bit rude and intimidating to people out of a program.