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« on: May 16, 2005, 09:43:00 AM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 06,00.html

It seems as if our friends across the pond have taken to the tactics our own programs seem to enjoy using. Read for yourself:




The Sunday Times - Britain

May 15, 2005

Unruly pupils sent to classroom ?cooler?
Geraldine Hackett, Education Correspondent
A HEADMASTER given a knighthood by Tony Blair has introduced isolation rooms for badly behaved pupils in an attempt to restore discipline to the classroom.

The pupils are confined to the rooms during school hours for up to three days and are only allowed out for toilet breaks. Meals are delivered to the room.

The move is part of a new approach called ?assertive discipline?, which has been pioneered by Sir Dexter Hutt. He has introduced the isolation rooms into three schools in Birmingham where he is executive headmaster. ?For some students, social interaction is more important than work,? he said. ?If they are socially isolated, they miss that outlet.?

Pupils are put in isolation after receiving four warnings about their behaviour. Isolation rooms typically hold six pupils sitting in cubicles with partitions, meaning they cannot see or speak to their neighbour. Once in a cubicle, they have to study from worksheets.

However, teachers at one of the schools, the International, have complained that such methods are draconian; a modern version of the prison cooler.

There, teachers claim some pupils have sought time in the cooler as a badge of honour. A representative of the National Union of Teachers said: ?With a lot of students it escalates the problem. All the other wannabe bad boys and girls want to follow them.?

Hutt rejected the criticisms. His success at improving results at another Birmingham school, Ninestyles, brought national attention and a knighthood.

When Hutt took over at the school in 1988 only 6% of pupils left with five or more GCSEs. Last year 72% left with five or more A-C grade GCSEs. As a result, Birmingham city council asked him to also take on the International and Waverley schools.

He insisted his methods had worked at the International. ?Two years ago the behaviour was appalling. Pupils regularly threatened teachers. In one incident a teacher narrowly escaped having her hair set on fire,? he said.

?You can?t keep teachers unless you create a climate where children are able to learn. In some schools a small group of students ruin the atmosphere for the majority.

?A student who misbehaves gets two verbal warnings, then detention for one hour and finally a day in the isolation unit.

?It is very rare that a student gets sent there for three days. They either change their behaviour or we have to discuss their future with their parents.?

Ruth Robinson, head of the International school, said children had also been banned from wearing hats and hooded tops ? or ?hoodies? ? inside the building.

Last week, the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent banned youths wearing hoodies from the premises as part of a ?zero-tolerance? approach to antisocial behaviour.

Centre managers said shoppers had complained of being intimidated by youths prowling the stores, concealing their identity beneath hoods and baseball caps.

Blair later backed the Bluewater policy when saying he wanted to make restoring ?respect? for others a central plank of his third administration.

He said people were ?rightly fed up with street corner and shopping centre thugs? and blamed parents for failing to look after such children properly.

John Prescott, the deputy prime minister, also described how Special Branch officers had to come to his rescue after he was confronted by a 10-strong gang wearing hoodies in a motorway service station.

And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! and speaking of poison gas... I SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM TOO!
 
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
That is absolutely frightening. There have also been many stories about children from overseas trapped in America's gulags. This country's social insanity and obsession with "discipline" is not only endangering American children. It has become a danger to children worldwide.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 01:26:00 PM »
I agree it's a dangerous trend, but I don't want this story to somehow minimize the inhumanity of isolation rooms in Programs in the US and offshore for US adolescents.

In the Programs over here, the kids are put in stress positions and beaten up--calling it "restraint"--if they move.  Or just for the hell of it.

In the Programs over here, the isolation room is cinderblock, with no chairs, no cubicles, and no other kids.  In the Programs over here, the isolation rooms are frequently deliberately kept too hot or too cold.  In the Programs over here, the isolation room means absolute stillness, without even the distraction of "worksheets."  In the Programs over here "worksheets" are one of the *lesser* punishments.

In the Programs over here, the kid is not just there during the school day, the kid is there all day and all night and *sleeps* under observation in  on the floor under flourescent lights.

In the "worksheets" over here, the worksheets are not academic work but are mind-control propaganda, in a Stockholm-syndrome generating, milleiu-controlled mind-control environment.

The kids in the schools in the UK, because they get to go home outside of school hours, are not in a milleiu (sp?) controlled situation--it doesn't last three days uninterrupted, it's punctuated by after-school hours and enough time to sleep, so it doesn't start the really bad psychological effects.

I'm *not* minimizing the worrisomeness of this detention in the UK as the possible start to a dangerous trend.  I think what they need to do is put safeguards in place to make sure the kids get *academic* worksheets, not behavioral ones, that the three-day limit stays in place, that the detention *cannot* be combined with hours after school on the same days, that the room temperature must stay the same as the rest of the school, that the kids must keep having chairs and desks, even if they do have cubicles, that they can have a jacket to put on and take off, that they can shift position, and a minimum frequency of bathroom breaks.

Standards *now* can stop the trend from becoming monstrous instead of strict.

Isolation in the Programs is, from descriptions of survivors, monstrous, not merely strict.

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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 06:12:00 PM »
Detention works well to.  The parents then must deal with their child.  Also Saturday School.  These are better deterents to misbehavior than isolation cells. Apparently children had been sent to closets in some California Schools. There  will be a segment on the news tonight.  

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 07:04:00 PM »
That sounds something like "in-house suspension"- something they do in public schools in DC metro area (well, I know they do it in the suburbs, where I went to junior high school).  The kid goes to a small room, with up to 2 or 3 other kids, and one teacher, and they sit in a small cubicle for the school day, and their work is sent over by their teachers.  

I had "in-house" only once, and it was real boring.  I finished my work, and wrote letters to my out-of-town friends.  The teacher acted all huffy about me writing letters.  

I remember hearing people saying that some kids had been locked in the room (while the teacher went out for a bit), and that that was a fire hazard, and the room was on the second floor and there would be no way out in the event of an emergency.  I'm not sure what was ever done about that.  

Anyway, I don't think this is anything new.  Just another reason why I would never sent any kid to public school.
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