Spring Creek Passwords

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-05 14:01:00, Dolphin wrote:

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On 2005-10-04 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


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The fact is, they're out there because they're needed

Ha! That's priceless, it really is.





Needed by whom exactly?








Tell us this program supporter: Can you point us to some independent results which show these programs are 'doing an awesome job' as you say?





Your asking us to ask the salesman whether it's a good buy or not. I wouldn't even do this with a car, so why my child?





Please show us the data."

Independent data?  Each parent or teen sent their accolades to the Editor of the Source magazine independent of being "told" to do so.  They did it because they were asked to rebut the places like this forum and newspaper sensationalism:



http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/accolades.html



Oh, forgot, you think we're all brainwashed!  That's the old standby when you don't have anything more intelligent to say...



KOOL-AID Mum..hehehehehe"

So, they did it "independently", because they were asked to? Alright, Dolphine-- you've never been too strong in the logic department, no reason to expect you to start using your brain now.

Writing appreciation letters to the program is one of the homework assignments given to parents at the Focus seminar. They have to do it to complete the seminar. All this show of support is a well orchestrated show. You were stupid enough to fall for it, and now you expect everybody else to do the same? Dream on.

[Antigen]

On 2005-10-05 10:04:00, Anonymous wrote:


Be careful Becca You might be next. As the program always seeks siblings to bring in."

Looks like she's way ahead of ya'. Unfortunately, it won't work, not if Dolphin is the parent in question. I'd seriously advise this young lady to start now fostering strong bonds w/ more stable friends and family members.

If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers

--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)

[Anonymous]

From Dolphin.  I agree...the parents were asked to help by writing their personal thoughts.  They weren't told to do it.  40 some pages worth is a lot, but not nearly all of the parents and kids that benefited from their program.

[Anonymous]

From Dolphin. I am insane.  :silly:

[Anonymous]

How do drug companies of dangerous diet pills get pages of testimonials. Maybe by paying their ?clients? and offering them more free drugs. These drugs might help some in the beginning, but in the long run they prove to be harmful. Eventually the drug is legally pulled off the shelves.

[Anonymous]

Your analogy has nothing to do with parents and teens finding peace with the help they received and wanting others to know the few that are making all the noise are in the extreme minority.  :wink: PHX

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-06 19:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Your analogy has nothing to do with parents and teens finding peace with the help they received and wanting others to know the few that are making all the noise are in the extreme minority.  :wink: PHX"

Good to see you found your tinfoil hat.

[Anonymous]

THIS POST IS FOR LOUIS K. AND OTHER PARRENTS THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN PROGRAMS LIKE SPRING CREEK.  
MY NAME IS RICHARD LIN.  IF YOU ARE CURIOUS ENOUGH, YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I WAS IN THE WESTERN SAMOA PROGRAM, PARADISE COVE, FROM 01/1998 TO 12/1999.  I HAVE EXPIERENCED EVERYTHING THESE PROGRAMS CAN DISH OUT AND SOME.  AFTER I GRADUATED FROM PARADISE COVE, I WENT DIRECTALLY INTO ANOTHER PROGRAM IN ARIZONA.  FOUR YEARS OF MY LIFE WENT BY WITHOUT ME.  MY LIFE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW.  I HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MOTHER (I NEVER KNEW MY FATHER), I WENT TO COLLEGE AT ASU, WAS EXTREEMLY INVOLVED AT MY UNIVERSITY AND SERVED AS VP OF MY FRATERNITY.  NOW IM 22 AND MOVING ON WITH MY LIFE.  MY LIFE WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT ALWAYS AS SMOOTH RUNNING AS IT IS NOW.  I WAS A SEVERE DRUG ADDICT FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE PROGRAM (X, COCAINE, HEROIN).  I CLEANED MYSELF UP ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, COLD TURKEY.  BUT IM NOT WRITING THIS SO YOU CAN BE PROUD OF ME OR TELL ME HOW GREAT I DID, IM WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT AS PARRENTS, YOU MUST FEEL JUSTIFIED IN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.  KIDS ARE BAD (FOR A LACK OF A BETTER ADJ.)  SOMETIMES DOWN RIGHT MONSTEROUS, BUT... WHAT OCCURS IN THESE PROGRAMS IS SO HORRIBLE THERE ARE NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE IT...ITS LIKE TRYING TO PUT WORDS ON THE FEELING OF BEING HEART BROKEN.  BUT THATS NOT THE WORST PART OF IT...YOU ARE NOT ONLY HEARTBROKEN THERE BUT THERE IS A SENCE OF HOPELESSNESS AND THATS JUST ON THE EMOTIONAL SIDE.  AT MY PROGRAM ENDLESS PHYSICAL ABUSE WAS DEALT OUT WITH A SECOND THOUGHT.  IVE HEARD MANY OF THE ACCUSATIONS MADE BY FORMER STUDENTS AT PARADISE COVE WAVED OFF AS LIES AND NOTHING GETS ME HOTTER.  IT IS THE TRUTH!  
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS THAT THE ONLY REASON TO KEEP YOUR CHILD IN ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS IS TO BUY TIME.  YOUR KID WILL EVENTUALLY GROW UP, IF SHE WANTS TO AND NO AMNOUNT OF BARBARIC BEATINGS AND FOOD/SLEEP DEPRIVATION WILL CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY SHOULD.  JUST KNOW THAT THE PRICE YOU PAY IN THIS TRADE IS THAT YOU ARE ENABLING THESE PROGRAMS TO CAUSE THIS IRREPAREABLE DAMAGE TO THIER PSYCHE. I WILL ADVISE YOU TO PULL YOU DAUGHTER OUT OF THIS PROGRAM.  THIS IS NOT A LAST STEP PROGRAM...THIS IS PUSHING YOU CHILD INTO THE CENTER OF THE MOST CRUEL FORM OF CHILD ABUSE.  THESE PROGRAMS ARE WHAT I IMAGINE INTERNMENT CAMPS TO HAVE BEEN LIKE (NOT AMERICAN ONES).  THESE PROGRAM DICTATORS ARE MODERN DAY HITLERS THRIVING ON THE POWER OF DESTROYING THE INDIVIDUAL AND TURNING US (THE CHILDREN OF TOMORROW) INTO THE ZOMBIE PRESENT OF SILENT SUFFERING.  PARADISE COVE IS THE SHOW ROOM BUCK HEAD ON WHICH I COMPAIR ALL SUFFERING I HAVE ENDURED SINCE.  I HAVE A STRONG FEELING IT WILL BE THE STANDARD OF ALL SUFFERING TO COME.  CONTACT ME IF YOU LIKE I WOULD LOVE TO CONVERSE WITH YOU ON YOUR IDEALS AND THOUGHTS.  MY E-MAIL IS [email protected]

[Anonymous]

wow how did u get that picture of courage family???i recognise almost all the people in that picture.even the girl.    john harrigal wisdom family

[Antigen]

[Admin note: This is a formatted version of the anon post in all caps. Just easier to read. Hope I haven't changed the sense or tone of it by doing this.]
 

This post is for louis k. and other parrents that have children in programs like spring creek.
My name is richard lin. If you are curious enough, you can look into it and you will see that i was in the western samoa program, paradise cove, from 01/1998 to 12/1999. I have expierenced everything these programs can dish out and some. After i graduated from paradise cove, i went directally into another program in arizona. Four years of my life went by without me. My life is on the right track now. I have an excellent relationship with my mother (i never knew my father), i went to college at asu, was extreemly involved at my university and served as vp of my fraternity. Now im 22 and moving on with my life. My life was obviously not always as smooth running as it is now. I was a severe drug addict for two years after the program (x, cocaine, heroin). I cleaned myself up about two years ago, cold turkey. But im not writing this so you can be proud of me or tell me how great i did, im want to let you know i know that as parrents, you must feel justified in what you have done. Kids are bad (for a lack of a better adj.) Sometimes down right monsterous, but... what occurs in these programs is so horrible there are no words to describe it...its like trying to put words on the feeling of being heart broken. But thats not the worst part of it...you are not only heartbroken there but there is a sence of hopelessness and thats just on the emotional side. At my program endless physical abuse was dealt out with a second thought. Ive heard many of the accusations made by former students at paradise cove waved off as lies and nothing gets me hotter. It is the truth!
What i have learned is that the only reason to keep your child in one of these programs is to buy time. Your kid will eventually grow up, if she wants to and no amnount of barbaric beatings and food/sleep deprivation will convince them that they should. Just know that the price you pay in this trade is that you are enabling these programs to cause this irrepareable damage to thier psyche. I will advise you to pull you daughter out of this program. This is not a last step program...this is pushing you child into the center of the most cruel form of child abuse. These programs are what i imagine internment camps to have been like (not american ones). These program dictators are modern day hitlers thriving on the power of destroying the individual and turning us (the children of tomorrow) into the zombie present of silent suffering. Paradise cove is the show room buck head on which i compair all suffering i have endured since. I have a strong feeling it will be the standard of all suffering to come. Contact me if you like i would love to converse with you on your ideals and thoughts. My e-mail is [email protected]

I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet

[kcadams1980]

Those of us who have been through the program know what it's like - I was at Cross Creek Manor from 97-99 - and no one can tell me that I don't know what I saw, lived, felt and endured every damn day there.  It will be seven years this June since I GRADUATED the program, and yet, my mother and I (I haven't gotten there with my dad yet) are JUST BEGINNING to be able to have a real conversation about it.  She's still extremely defensive, to be sure, but I think she's starting to accept that maybe... just maybe, I might be telling the truth (I know, shocking!)

Anyhow, I bring this up because of all the picture talk.  My single ill-fated attempt to tell both of my parents the truth about CCM resulted in them yelling and intimidating me into a corner (sort of like a seminar...).  They brought up the fact that, three weeks or so after I was "kidnapped," and sent to Cross Creek, they came to the Manor and "checked it out." They said that they saw me, with my group (B Group) outside laughing and talking with some girls, and this was how they knew that I would be okay.  I urge everyone not to fall into the "all or nothing" WWASP-ie trap.  Was my time at CCM the most traumatic experience of my life? Yes. Was I abused? Yes. Did I see other girls being dragged, kicking and screaming, down the stairs to ISO? Absolutely.  Does that mean that I never once had a smile on my face? No, of course not.  I had some real friends at CCM, and there were some times that, for awhile, we had fun and could forget about our situation for a bit...it doesn't make the abuse any less real. I can only speak from my own experience, but I know that girls were physically injured at CCM by staff - I saw it myself. But the psychological abuse that we all endured, over and over and over, is more insidious, I believe. Making a girl walk around with a sign around her neck reading "SLUT" is abusive - what would you say if a child's parents did that??

WWASP supporters live in black in white terms - but reality is often shades of grey. I think that it's really important to point out that any positive experience, no matter how few or how many, negates the validity of abuse.  In fact, those few happy times that I felt at CCM are what has made coming to grips with my feelings so damned difficult - you feel guilty for telling the truth, like you're betraying the program.

Anyhow, that's my two cents...