Insurance Pays For Wilderness

[Deborah]

I don't know which Wilderness program the parent below is refering to, but I know the kid was sent to Utah. And perhaps the program has credentialed "professionals" conducting actual therapy, which might qualify for reimbursement from insurance. But,

It really irks me that a portion of MY premiums could be going into the pockets of program owners. That MY premiums could increase with the increased number of teens being incarcerated and reimbursed by insurance. That MY premiums are, in part, paying for teens to be abused in the name of therapy.

What is the criteria used by insurance companies to determine if a facilty/program is actually "therapeutic" or a "non-therapeutic behavior-modification" facility?
The latter term was used in the latest article from the Tico Times re Dundee: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&0

How does the insurance company rule out the possibility that the kid is fine and the parents just want a break?

If the program is strickly BM, who wants to help pay for someone else's kid to be "parented" with "tough love"?

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I had filed two appeals with my insurance regarding XXXX's wilderness program. My last move was to request all the info they had used. I've been waiting to recieve that before filing another appeal.

I opened my mail today and there was a check for the full amount from the program. I have no idea what prompted this (and I'm not going to ask), but my insurance paid the entire thing last week.

I had originally pulled the money from my farm operating loan. I just maxed out what was left and was wondering how the heck I was going to feed cows all winter with zero money. This check is a total livesaver!!! I busted out crying. I hadn't realized how much this has been weighing on me, but what a relief to have it over!!!!

If you are fighting an insurance company...don't give up. Take it all the way.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 2;t=000662

[Anonymous]

Oh Happy Days are Here Again!  Insurance companies paying big bucks to help raise the self-esteem of another kid.  Everybody's getting rich, now. Including the scumbag referral agents promoting these programs to screw-up parents.  

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

Why are you so set on kids not getting the help that they need? I am sure that there are occations that abuse happens. maybe you had it happen to you. but just because abuse happend in one home does not mean that all parents abuse. Just because on person drowned does not mean that no one should be allowed to have water.

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-11 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why are you so set on kids not getting the help that they need?

No one's against kids getting the help they need. But we, the beneficiaries of this particular brand of treatment, are all grown up now. We're parents and some of us even grandparents. And the vast majority of us do not view our experience as helpful.

Please look around some of these other forums. Pay special attention to the first few posts by any program vet who discovers these forums. So many of us have had Program nightmares, years afterward. We have common social problems relating to program beliefs and behavior that really doesn't cut it in the real world. Even those who, all these years later, believe they might well have killed themselves with their wild ways if they hadn't landed in the program acknowledge that they watched and took part in a whole lot of other people getting messed up in these places.

And it doesn't matter whether we're talking about a place like AARC, where the food is good and the attitude more subdued or a place like Tranquility Bay, where the food is dangerously bad and kids consistently report hearing other kids screaming out in pain from OP. The longterm outcomes are remarkably similar.

I am sure that there are occations that abuse happens. maybe you had it happen to you. but just because abuse happend in one home does not mean that all parents abuse. Just because on person drowned does not mean that no one should be allowed to have water."

No, they didn't say abusive parents. They said screw-up parents. You really have to concede total failure and desperation as a parent in order to buy into these programs to "fix" your kids for you. That's been a basic tenet of the sales pitch in this industry dating all the way back to the early days of CEDU and The Seed.

Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.
--Rep. Robert L. Henry, TX December 22, 1914 (quoting Lincoln)

[Antigen]

Are you still around, anon?

Hear me people: We now have to deal with another race - small and feeble when our fathers first met them, but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possessions is a disease with them. These people have made many rules which the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
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[Antigen]

Anon, I answered your question. No comment?

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