Programs - A Pedophile's Dream Job and a Child's Nightmare

[Whooter]

You're a dope, Whooter.  The link goes to Cafety and right on that page there are three links to the actual report ("source docs"), which you don't want to acknowledge exists.  I'm sure everyone else found it just fine.

I am sure there are.  Its like me linking to the New York Times home page and telling you they wrote an article.  If you have a study or commission conclusion that states 100% of the kids have been abused why not quote the source?

Post the quote and supply the link if you feel this is a true statement otherwise just come out and say it is your opinion or someone elses.  No shame in that, we are just asking you to be honest.



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[Troll Control]

What are you trying to hide for Aspen Education?  It makes you look very foolish.  I already posted the link in another thread and linked you to it, but I see you somehow missed that one, too. :beat:

[Whooter]

What are you trying to hide for Aspen Education?  It makes you look very foolish.  I already posted the link in another thread and linked you to it, but I see you somehow missed that one, too. :beat:

Well, okay, I checked your link:

Shocking report by Oregon state authorities detailing systematic child abuse by Aspen Education

 :eek:  :poison:

searched the report for the words "abused" , "Shocking", "Systemic", "Abuse" or "100%" and nothing comes up.  You must be talking about another document.



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[Whooter]

So just for the record ,so far at least, we can conclude that there was no investigative body, commissioned study which concluded that MBA abused 100% of the kids.  This is why I insist on links to support DJ's comments.  Based on the fabricated PM's he was caught presenting I think it is important to ask for proof.  There is just such a hard push to discredit these therapeutic programs and little to no evidence that they do harm and many studies that support they are successful that sometimes people like DJ are driven to fabricate statements to make these places look bad.

I am not judging you DJ and have not concluded that you lied again, the door is open anytime you want to present the studies.  We will just leave it at that.



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[Troll Control]

What are you trying to hide for Aspen Education?  It makes you look very foolish.  I already posted the link in another thread and linked you to it, but I see you somehow missed that one, too. :beat:

Well, okay, I checked your link:

Shocking report by Oregon state authorities detailing systematic child abuse by Aspen Education

 :eek:  :poison:

searched the report for the words "abused" , "Shocking", "Systemic", "Abuse" or "100%" and nothing comes up.  You must be talking about another document.



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I guess your "search" wasn't very effective.  Here's what people with normally functioning brains found in the first few pages:

Shocking report by Oregon state authorities detailing systematic child abuse by Aspen Education

 :eek:  :poison:

search the report for the words "abused" , "Abuse" or "100%" and nothing comes up.  You must be talking about another document.

The following showed up on the first page; I didn't even get any further. I believe the word "abuse" is mentioned three times in these two paragraphs:

Findings:

DHS finds that 8 allegations of abuse are substantiated against MBA and one allegation of abuse is substantiated against the Executive Director of MBA in violation of OAR 407-045-0820(1)(f), (g) and (h). Moreover, DHS finds that MBA is in violation of the following licensing rules: OAR 413-215-0076; OAR 413-215-0606; OAR 413-215-0681; OAR 413-215-0051; OAR 413-215-0676; OAR 413-215-00651; OAR 413-215-0661; OAR 413-215-0681; OAR 413-215-0056; OAR 413-215-0021; and OAR 413-215-0046.

DHS finds that MBA's abuse and neglect of students and violations of the licensing rules described below, establishes that MBA poses a serious danger to public health or safety, that conditions exist that immediately endanger the health or safety of children at MBA and that MBA should not be permitted to continue operating as a therapeutic boarding school for children and should immediately discontinue providing therapeutic, educational and residential services as follows...[/list]

This can't be swept under the rug.  It's an official state investigation report.  Just repeating "we can conclude no abuse took place" isn't going to make this go away.

[Froderik]

So many programs have been nailed for committing acts of negligence and abuse already. Anyone who would trust the word of those who share an interest in these places is ignorant to say the least....don't believe them!! They make the places look like vacation resorts when they're really horrible places, like Tranquility Bay, etc. Most of them are a sham, a scam, and anything but good for a kid's mental or physical health! BUYER BEWARE!!!!

[Whooter]

This can't be swept under the rug. It's an official state investigation report. Just repeating "we can conclude no abuse took place" isn't going to make this go away.

I am aware of the report, DJ, and abuse was reported and substantiated.  I am not disputing this and they should be shut down.  But you made the statement:

"Authorities, not some "Fornits poster extremist," published this in their report - 100% of children were abused by MBA."

I am wondering if there was another report or if you just made this up.  



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[Froderik]

So many programs have been nailed for committing acts of negligence and abuse already. Anyone who would trust the word of those who share an interest in these places is ignorant to say the least....don't believe them!! They make the places look like vacation resorts when they're really horrible places, like Tranquility Bay, etc. Most of them are a sham, a scam, and anything but good for a kid's mental or physical health! BUYER BEWARE!!!!

Parents: Don't fall for the lies!!!!