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« Reply #120 on: January 07, 2007, 05:29:15 PM »
It's true that the mind will block things out but to leave things blocked out is not healthy. The mind blocks things out that can't be dealt with at the moment giving a person time to deal with it later on. This is common in sexual assault victims and a therapist may be needed to work through the experience in a healthy manner.
The letters and journals can be used as a mental snapshot, a little picture of your psyche at that time. It can be a great help when processing bad experiences. I understand the getting rid of bad experiences by burning old letters and such, I just don't agree with it. I feel that it's much to final for a problem that you learn to deal with, and not get rid of because it never goes away.
Being sexual assaulted and being placed in an abusive program has alot in common. Both represent a theft of power and control and its this lost power and control that the survivor needs to regain. Activism is one way as well as making your parents acknowledge what you went through and their hand in allowing you to suffer.
Look for information regarding treatment for sexual assualt victims and victims of cults to get more ideas on what you can do to heal. If you find a therapist that can deal with program survivors definitely check it out.
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« Reply #121 on: January 07, 2007, 10:27:24 PM »
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In a sense I can see why he wanted you to put that to bed, that cleansing ritual can be really good for you, but obviously in your case it hasn't worked....my concern here is why do you wish you could read back on them? It's almost like you've been taught that you are to blame, you are bad (in raps perhaps?) and you still have the need to look back and clarify that - please correct me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here.


I tore up my journals, and I wish I hadn't, as they were more candid than the notebooks, since the journals weren't read by staff. Probably did a better job of giving an accurate representation of my true feelings for the place while I was there.

I wondered for a while why I kept my notebooks, and my answer was always "evidence." I brought up in another thread that sometimes some of us belittled our struggles there, or remembered them another way. The notebooks helped to put things in perspective. I just recently pulled them out, since some stuff came up. It was the first time since graduation. In a lot of ways, it assisted in validating my experience.

Even when some of us realize how traumatic our placement was, there is that small part in our brain that is "crazy making", i.e. we were making it up, remembered it wrong, deserved it, were stupid to buy into it. When your brain is fucked with like that, you question your reality and perception to some extent, even decades later.

Some people are able to destroy the evidence, shut it out, and move on. Some of us need to read and say "Oh, ok, I was right, it was crazy."

When someone goes through therapy to make sense of what happened, there often needs to be some understanding of how they were broken. When was the moment when they moved from being autonomous to programmed? It's not sufficient for everyone to simply say they were brainwashed, for some, there needs to be an understanding of how, from a personal perspective, as opposed to a clinical one. Who first confronted you? When did fear turn to euphoria? When did you start to want it? When did you start to crave affection from staff who abused you? When did you first start to abuse others?

I recently began going back through my "full-time" notebook. (See CEDU lingo thread for definition.) What I read within those pages was the depiction of  the remaining shreds of a teenager's resistance being  broken over a period of 14 days. The writing assignments began with the breaking down and humiliation, and finished with the reprogramming. By the time I was released from my booth and isolation at the end, I was one of them, and I loved it. Room 101.

I needed to read this, because I was still not clear on how it had happened for me specifically. I know how it happens for everyone, but the guilt and shame are hard to exorcise until you come to an understanding of what was done to you, how it wasn't your fault, and how your eventual compliance did not entail consent.

I agree, that it is not helpful to overly obsess. Trust me, I know what it's like to be consumed by something. Obsession exists because the person obsessing gets something out of it. I've found that it's helpful a lot of times to talk in therapy about the obsession itself, rather than what specifically I am obsessing about, in order to work out what I am getting out of it, i.e. what need I am trying to fulfill through the obsession, and to try to resolve that issue.
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« Reply #122 on: January 08, 2007, 08:21:32 AM »
Don't underestimate the power of forgiveness.  For me, that has been very instrumental in "moving forward" past a grievous hurt.

Forgiveness does not mean that I condone what has happened to me.  It does not excuse or erase the hurt.  It does not exonerate the person (or institution) that has caused the hurt.  It does not mean that I "forget".  Certainly does NOT mean that I enter into a relationship with the person who caused harm.  

It does mean that I have chosen to let it go.  Lay it down.  Bury it ... use whatever word picture works for you.  It means that it does not eat me alive anymore.  Or that I dwell on it constantly.  

By hanging on to past hurts ... by nursing my "un-forgiveness", I allow that person to continue to have a hold over my life.  And in essence to continue to hurt me.  Screw that.

Life is going to kick us all in the teeth.  Just a part of the human experience I'm afraid.  We have to decide if we are going to pick up the pieces and move forward ... or dwell in  past hurts forever... and in the process let that person rob us of the joy that is available today.

IMHO.
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« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2007, 05:51:36 PM »
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By hanging on to past hurts ... by nursing my "un-forgiveness", I allow that person to continue to have a hold over my life.  And in essence to continue to hurt me.  Screw that.



IMHO.
Yep - I am with you on that 100%, after an experience I had which was nothing less than mental and physical torture i became very untrusting of everyone, always felt they were going to do the same to me - a few years later I began to think "okay, that person gave me 6 years of hell, so how long am I going to let them continue to ruin my life" it was a turning point, that's when the fight came back
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Re: Is it better just to forget?
« Reply #124 on: September 16, 2008, 04:23:00 PM »
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Re: Is it better just to forget?
« Reply #125 on: September 16, 2008, 07:47:01 PM »
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how do you know if you are assigning to much importance to certain times and incidents in your life.

Good question. I don't know. Like I stated before, I'm obsessive. CEDU is cyclic with me. It goes away for a while, and then it comes back for a while. When it comes back, I have to think about it, and I think about it a lot. Then I get tired and it goes away again.

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How does your mind go about picking the things that you remember, because out of all the shit that goes on day to day, we only remember a very small portion it seems like.

Fuck, I can barely remember what I did yesterday. I don't have much of a choice in that. I also have schizoid tendencies, so I will forget people and faces who may have played an important role in my life at one point. I don't think you can choose what to remember, but when a memory is repressed, it's still there, not forgotten. Just latent. I don't really know the process that happens behind that, though.

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If two people can have the same experience and one consider it good and one consider it bad, does that make one of them deficient in some way?

I don't know. But it does make for some interesting arguments. I'm not sure deficient would be the operative term, here, if there was indeed an imbalance in functionality or intelligence. The diplomatic side of me says that it's important not to invalidate someone else's experience, even if you think their perception is completely fucked up. Let me put it this way, if someone viewed it as a good experience, fine. But if they then decide to form their own school, work as a youth counselor, send their own kid to a TBS, or pimp TBSes to other parents, then I get a little more brutal in my opinion of them. It's fine if you want to view your experience positively, it's another thing entirely if you want to subject someone else to it.

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I am just wondering if it even exists

No. It's a bunch of crap. It's used to convince people to consume and spend in search of it.


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