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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2005, 12:21:00 PM »
http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=4 ... dID=305757

Nihilanthic, you are my hero. Thanks to the other people who posted some sense over there too.

Now, kill your televisions, folks, and sit back and feel your brain cells start to multiply again.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2005, 12:53:00 PM »
Great idea you had.  I did it, and I noticed someone had also beat me to the point, hooray!
More of us, ALL of us, should flood that damned show with information about the real situation.  It can't hurt.  Maybe ABC will read these posts, before they probably remove them from their boards, and do a story on this.  Now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 04:57:00 PM »
Did anyone catch the show last night?  Anything sound familiar with the boy?  He told mom and dad that he was gay - they freaked out - brought him home.   He told the family minister that he wasn't gay, he just wanted to come home.  He said how he played them and that mom would be
getting it worse than anything anyone could think of soon.  He said his parents were "tools."

He's going to keep on pretending he's gay and go along with what mom wants for now so they don't send him back!
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 05:21:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-18 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Did anyone catch the show last night?  Anything sound familiar with the boy?  He told mom and dad that he was gay - they freaked out - brought him home.   He told the family minister that he wasn't gay, he just wanted to come home.  He said how he played them and that mom would be

getting it worse than anything anyone could think of soon.  He said his parents were "tools."



He's going to keep on pretending he's gay and go along with what mom wants for now so they don't send him back!  "


I'm beginning to believe there are programmed parents among the writers there... they play out all of the program's lies. This time it's the "kids lie and manipulate their parents so they could get out, you can't trust these horrible, dangerous, troubled teens, it's all manipulation".

Now, when they'll encounter a similar situation in real life, people who watch this crap will say, "oh, that kid must lying, just like that kid on TV". Disgusting.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2005, 07:20:00 PM »
'Pretending' to be gay? Did you miss the episode when he had his little rendezvous with the boy in the pool? My take is that he is bi.
And for the staunch program parent, I don't think their kid claiming to be gay would bring them any closer home.
An aside- And I have to ask... What is your stake in what happens with other families? What is the big deal if this did happen? Does it effect you personally in some way? Or do you need every kid to stay in the program to validate your choice? Give it a damn rest. And chant this mantra, "I am not in control of other people's CHOICES."

Anything sound familiar?
Well, what I notice is a boy who has an uptight, rigid, obsessive compulsive, neurotic, religiously hysterical, stepford mother.... who has not allowed him to breath, or burp, or fart, or laugh, or play, or be real. She said she was concerned about his sexual preference because she was afraid he wouldn't go to heaven, and she 'needed' him to be there in order to be happy. The damn tension in that home is so thick you could cut it with a knife. Everyone is walking on eggshells to keep her happy. Bree wants no part of reality. Any reality that doesn't fit into the nice safe bubble she has created... hence a sexually active daughter, a 'bi' son, and a husband that's into S&M- Gasp.
When you're 'stuck', life sometimes provides the dynamite needed to loosen you up. If she doesn't bend a little her foundation is liable to crack.

Come to think of it, I did hear something familiar, but it's been on the message boards. It's always the kid. Attack the kid. The ungrateful, heathen, bastard needs the *hit kicked out of him. Most feel sorry for the poor mom, who is a f-in basket case. They damn the father for not providing more 'discipline'. How bout this for discipline- he slap his wife into present time reality, metaphorically speaking. I'd like to see him take a firm stance with her. For him and the kids to skip some of her 'gourmet dinners' that she 'expects' gratitude for... and go to a hamburger joint, without her. Instead everyone panders her narrow little comfort zone and the pressure cooker rocks. The explosion should be interesting.
She needs to get some kick ass therapy and get over her mother's death. I haven't heard one person address her anality... if that's a word.

And this from another thread was just too perfect. I had to add it:

There were parts in this article about Tranquility Bay that I thought were insightful regarding how Americans view parenting and teenagers:

http://nospank.net/tranq.htm

"These are classic Tranquility-parent feelings. For example, Mozingo believes his son had a serious drug problem before coming to Jamaica and Josh agrees. What was he taking? 'I was doing marijuana. I was doing cigarettes. Alcohol.' He looks disgusted with himself."

and

"Also striking is the assumption parents make of entitlement to their child's affection, as though this is a legal right. 'She's a neat kid, she really is,' a former student's mother says. 'She just didn't like us.'"

and

"Messy divorce and remarriage are the norm among these parents. Their expectations of loyalty from their children, though, suggest a gilt-edged ideal of American family life so brittle any rebellion or defiance is literally terrifying. This culture then creates its own logic - for once adolescence is criminalised, Tranquility becomes the obvious solution."

and what some TB residents said:

"'Oh, my relationship with my family was pretty bad. I just went to my room and avoided my parents. There was always arguments and stuff,' offers Pete. 'I was very angry with my parents, their divorce had a big influence on me. I'm not angry with them now, though. Not at all. I mean, I look at this as a punishment, obviously, but I deserved it. How I acted towards my parents.'"

and

"Susie is 16, from New York, and here 'because of having sex. Not going to school. It was my attitude. It wasn't, like, drugs. The problem was, me and my mom, we just didn't have a relationship. We could say how was your day, that was about it.' The possibility that this was a normal phase is adamantly rejected by Susie."

These places encourage parents to blame their children for all their problems. I mean, how sad is that quote from the kid who said he was acting out over his parents divorce, but that he deserved to be sent there because of how he acted toward his parents.

So I guess the reason I put this here in this thread is that if parents are looking for a way to blame their kid and not themselves, it doesn't matter what they could have done differently.
                 
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2005, 09:00:00 PM »
Hey guys....you keep talking about Bree and reality....REMEMBER...THIS IS  TELEVISION...NOT REALITY....Aren't you the same folks that say kids watching MTV or horror flicks or R rated movies, or listening to rap music, hard rock, or any of that stuff won't hurt them?
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2005, 10:37:00 PM »
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I'm beginning to believe there are programmed parents among the writers there... they play out all of the program's lies. This time it's the "kids lie and manipulate their parents so they could get out, you can't trust these horrible, dangerous, troubled teens, it's all manipulation".

Now, when they'll encounter a similar situation in real life, people who watch this crap will say, "oh, that kid must lying, just like that kid on TV". Disgusting.


That's not really that far out there. Back during the Nixon Admin there was some monkey business about influencing daytime soaps to include encounter sessions. Then there was Dan Forbes scoop on Barry "Gen. McCzar" McCaffrey paying off primetime producers to rewrite scripts to include a little more drug war propaganda.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/1jcl/1jcl60.htm

I expect this sort of thing goes on A LOT. Call it product placement and see if you can find other examples. It's not all that surprising, though, when you consider the influence of entertainment and all the money involved.


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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2005, 10:52:00 PM »
But I thought you guys were the ones that thought kids should watch, play, listen to what they want.  It really doesn't matter??????  You are the ones that say parents are over restrictive for monitoring television, video games, and music...right?
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2005, 11:02:00 PM »
No, I don't think I know of anyone who says it doesn't matter or that parents shouldn't monitor (pay attention to, be involved with) what kids are watching and paying attention to. And I can't even imagine anyone believing that it has no invluence. Just that trying to prevent kids from watching what they want would be ineffective and counterproductive. Let them watch what they want and you watch it too, from time to time. Weigh in w/ your opinion.

And making more out of your kids' curiosity can be hazardous too. "Oh my God! There are Marilyn Manson posters all over her walls! She's a satanist!!!!" is definitely over-reacting.

 I just got back from taking my 15yo daughter to see Sin City. We both enjoyed it thoroughly and talked about it. Now I know just a little bit more about what she and her friends are into and she has my take on it as well.

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2005, 06:15:00 PM »
Has anybody been keeping up with this series?  I'm cuerious to know how they're handling the storyline, if at all.
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