Sue K

[Anonymous]

Where did youR information on Carey's deposition come from?  You posted this the day after Carey's deposition was taken.  It is important that we know.  It can show us the link between you and Sue/PURE and it will explain why you are now trying to separate from Karen and Craig.

Carey Bock Has Her Judas Gold
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Joined: 2003-05-25
Posts: 138  Posted: 2003-12-10 14:39:00  
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 On October 13, 2003, at 8:08PM, in a series of responses to blasts about her "snitching", Carey Bock posted on this fourm:

"I have not cashed any check from WWASPS. You better be careful with what you say. My opinions and beliefs are not for sale. Not to anyone. Your accusations are way off base."

Legally, one might argue that handing over more than 7000 private communications, many back-and-forth emails from a list, including the mailings from Ms. Bock, may not reflect her "opinions and beliefs" which she stated were "not for sale". I do not believe this is so. Please note that this statement was made about one month after said emails had already been delivered to WWASPS.

On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, Carey Bock gave a deposition on her complicity in forwarding private emails to WWASPS. A WWASPS attorney flew to Louisiana in September 2003, picked up her hard drive and returned it to Utah where it was copied. The hard drive was then shipped back to Ms. Bock. [Let's see, if her computer was out of commission in the WWASPS offices, how did Ms. Bock write the zillions of posts to the Fornits site? From work? Would the Resource Bank like to know that?]

She initially offered her cache of private information to WWASPS for $100,000, later lowering her asking price to $30,000. She ulitmately settled for $12,500. This money may have saved her house from foreclosure. Sadly, however, the price of Ms. Bock's Judas gold saved not one child from WWASPS...and we can only guess how many other American teens have made the harrowing journey, handcuffed in the night and slung into some stranger's car, toward a future of a couple of years of terror and humiliation and a lifetime of nightmares and anxiety. Ms. Bock sold her soul while thwarting honest and strong efforts by others to get the message to parents that WWASPS' good schooling, strict-but-fair rewards and punishment techniques, and redirection by loving, caring staffers is really a Crock of Shit.

Ms. Bock stated in deposition that she doesn't think WWASPS is bad; she only has a problem with Dundee and they aren't affiliated with WWASPS.

Being a personal victim of Ms. Bock's immorality (my very private email to her one night while my grandaughter was still incarcerated in Casa by the Sea made it to this forum bright and early at 8:30 the next morning), I share with you what she forwarded to the World:

[my email]... Carey, we have "talked" now for a lot of the 9 months my grandaughter has been incarcerated at Casa by the Sea. This is my personal, fervent, non-anonymous plea to back off Teen Help at fornits.

You have your sons back. They have had harm...possibly irrepairable harm...done to them, but they are surviving. You responded personally to me when I "stood up" for you on Bridge to Understanding. I need a pay-back. This is the most heart-felt communication I can make directly to you. Please please please don't continue destroying the voice of Fornits!

In the greater scheme of things, the world doesn't really give a damn about Sue Schepp or PURE or Coldwater. We can hardly get the world to give a damn after they read Tim Weiner's reports, or the London Observer. The small stuff...the details, as it were...you are fighting about, really don't mean squat to the average Kansas cattle rancher or the soccer mom in Florida. The only way to stop this proliferation of "programs" is to make it illegal to do some of the basic things they need to have done: illegal to intercept mail, illegal to halt communications with the outside world (this applies to WWASP as well as all those other "legitimate" programs at strugglingteens.com), illegal to make untutored packets the only form of education, illegal to cut off communications, news, independent and inquisitive learning, illegal to isolate in solitary confinement, illegal to withhold everything from food to letters from home to break spirit, illegal to get full control of a growing, maturing mind and tell it that the parents hate and want to off-load this particular problem for a lot of $$$$.

Get the hell off Fornits for one day and read voyfourms. There are kids, full of swearing and tears, foreigners appalled at what we Americans are allowing to be done to our kids, relatives innocently wondering if Casa may be something bad, something harmful that a brother-in-law has done to his daughter. These people don't give a crap about PURE and the subtrefuge, the hidden/dual personalities, the false postings, the anonymous bickering. You appear to have lost sight of the forest for the trees. You continue to try to focus all these folks in the entire universe on a very small technical issue that The World doesn't want to know, doesn't care to know, and wouldn't think twice about if it did know.

I really for the life of me cannot imagine what motivates you in this crusade. Yes, your kids were hurt. So are others, including mine...the grandaughter who lived with us as a "daughter". We have lost her to a cult, to a cult who preys on mentally-unstable parents like our oldest daughter who was always looking for someone/something to bail her out of one mess after another. Are you after revenge? On WWASP? On your ex? On the anonymous posters promoting WWASP on Fornits (who pretty much shoot themselves in the foot whenever they open their mouths)? No matter. Your crusade is injuring countless others...at the least, the 2200 children still in WWASPS, at the most the decent people who abhor injustice, abuse, and want every human to have a warm nuturing path to adulthood. Somewhere in between are the parents caught in the middle, those who, for unknown reasons having to do with stupidity and looking for an easy way out, paid big bucks, got their kids hurt, and will live with guilt, shame, and anger the rest of their lives.

Allow all these people to do their work. They need to have it done. Your agenda of proving you are right and PURE is wrong pales in comparison to what is at stake. Please don't continue this. If I believed, as some on Fornits, that you have gone over the edge, that your mental accuity is hampered, I wouldn't be writing you. I think you are sincere in your hatred of this evil thing. You can't win this fight alone. Let us all work together, each with his own strengths. Please don't destroy the Fornits forum, which, after all, is called "Teen Help", not Carey's vendetta to lead us all on the only way to salvation.

Sue KXXXX
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[Anonymous]

If it is not coming from Sue Scheff, then who is it coming from? Were you there? Spots, can you answer the question. If your information did not come from Sue Scheff, then who did it come from?

How did you find out information on Carey's deposition so quickly?  If not Sue then was it through Paula?  

Spots, just tell us where your information came from.