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sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« on: September 11, 2008, 12:42:40 PM »
Already brought a suit, read the digg entry.  :rasta:
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 06:45:36 AM »
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Already brought a suit, read the digg entry.  :rasta:

LOL.  Oh you're shitting me.  They're already suing you for your Sorensons Ranch website...  Dumb motherfuckers just don't learn...  Or did they just claim they contacted a lawyer?

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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 03:29:41 PM »
Hur hur.. this ought to end well.
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2008, 10:49:13 AM »
the notice, and my reply (kind of immature, but hilarious because of the rage it will cause, nonetheless):

http://i38.tinypic.com/29engvq.jpg
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2008, 01:06:57 PM »
They delivered this to you in a different country no less? Heh.. lovely.
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 01:10:48 PM »
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They delivered this to you in a different country no less? Heh.. lovely.
Presumably, they scanned and emailed it to him since when one does a whois on sorensons.org, the registration details are private.
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 02:08:24 PM »
Oh the howls of outrage that will be heard come monday morning.. lol
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 03:25:10 PM »
Why have you parked the website on a US server. Why not use a company like Struer net in a country known for protecting the free speech?(Secretprisonsforteens doesnt use that provider, but we can say OK the standard).

When they try to pull their lawyer stuff, you can always return a ruling from High court given during the Cartoon Crisis

A webhotel with 15 Mb for data and 15 Email accounts (POP) will set you back some 6 dollars per month. It comes with a free .dk domain-name. The org-name can be pointet there by one of the DNS-rerouting services around the world.

Just an idea.
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 04:23:44 PM »
not legal advice -->

Believe it or not, the US actually has some of the best laws when it comes to defamation...  maybe not when it comes to trademark/copyright, but when it comes to defamation cases, the US rocks.

First off.  In the US, the onus in a defamation case is on the planitiff (to prove a statement false), while in most countries, the onus is on the defendant to prove a statement true.  This is because of the 5th amendment.  Some statements cannot be proven false.  These are called "opinions".  Where they can be proven true, they are called "fact".

Secondly, in the US, courts differentiate between public and private figures.  When a plaintiff in a defamation case is a public figure, or an issue concerns a matter of public interest, a plaintiff not only has to prove a statement false, but also that the defendant made the false statement with full knowledge of it's falsity (or at least having doubts as to the truth of the statement).  This is known as "actual malice".

Of course, regardless of where a website is hosted, if a program sues you, they're going to try and take you to court locally, not where you live, so it really doesn't matter what country the server is located in.  If you get threatened by a program, my non-legal advice is to speak to an attorney on the matter (preferably one in the state the program is in... Utah in this case).

<-- not legal advice...  neither is this -->

Case law:

"Abuse" found to be opinion (and protected as such):  People for Ethical Treatment of Animals v. Bobby Berosini, Ltd. 111 Nev. 615, 624-625 (statement that animal trainer regularly abused his orangutans found to be opinion).  

"inflicted psychological damage" found to be opinion: Campanelli v. Regents of University of California, 44 Cal.App 4th 572, 579 (1996)

Statement that a county officer "abused" his office was opinion: Slawik v. News-Journal Co., 428 A.2d 15 (Del. 1981).

... and lots more where that came from...  As I read the letter they sent you, the only specific statement they imply to be defamatory is "Abuse", which is opinion (see above cases).  The blanket demand for you to take down the whole site without pointing to a single statement they allege to be defamatory is absurd, and soely intended to silence you as a critic.  My non-legal advice is to write them back asking for a clarification as to which statements, specifically, they allege to be defamatory, and ask them to provide "proof of falsity".  Offer to provide an apology if they can do so.  

<-- not legal advice
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Re: sorensons.org - the truth about srs
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 01:54:08 PM »
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They delivered this to you in a different country no less? Heh.. lovely.
Presumably, they scanned and emailed it to him since when one does a whois on sorensons.org, the registration details are private.
They mailed it to my domain registar, since I have the contact details privacy, and they fowarded it to 'my' email.
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