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What was coming home like for you?
« on: October 05, 2007, 01:28:07 PM »
Would any of you be kind enough to tell me more about what you experienced in the first days, weeks, months you were home?

Did you go back to your old school? Did your friends know where you'd been and what you'd gone through? What did they say?

Were there things that friends or family could have done or said to help make it easier? Were there things they did or said that made it harder to come home?

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 03:29:19 PM »
The truth? And I'll write more later on this... I was so afraid of being sent back that I looked GREAT on paper. But inside, I felt so disconnected, isolated, and superior in my new found awareness (aka cult Kool Aid)... as well as completely unable to connect to civilian life.   My experiences were so intense, everything seemed petty by comparison. The funny thing was--this was just the kool Aid talking. But also--the experentials were intense, how do you relate to everyday relationships if you have inculcated a complex new paradigm for interacting brought to you from the Twilight Zone?  You can't erase it--it's part of you now. So in a sense, it's very difficult for many of us to ever feel normal again, or have normal relational expectations.

But what we do know is how to fake straight. And then, over time, we start breaking down.... because we aren't connecting but it takes a long time to realize why.  

It takes a long time for the kool aid to wear off (even if you never drank the whole cup--just enough to survive)... and then you might experience a new depth of anger and resentment that is deep seated and real, and difficult to overcome.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2007, 05:59:18 PM »
Coming out of a place like this is surreal, because on one hand, you have been so isolated for so long that the outside world is downright terrifying. On the other hand, you have a huge superiority complex because you feel that you have been bestowed with this "secret knowledge and insight" into human behavior, when in reality, its exactly the opposite.

My first job out of school was working for USPIRG. You know, the hippies that go door to door collecting donations to help fund the clean grass bill, or some such shit. I thought it would be ideal. I'd be the fucking man of la mancha tilting at windmills, trying to make the world a better place. Yeah, well, two weeks into that I said fuck that shit and left.

Reality lesson #1. Activist based employment sucks. Pragmatics come before ideals.

The issue was, people at USPIRG are worked like dogs, and don't make shit. As a result, when there are hang out nights in the bars and such, there is a lot of decompressing and drinking, and rightfully so. So I was there being all bitchy about how fucked up drinking and doing drugs was.

#2: Being judgmental and self-righteous will not win you friends, and will probably gain you some enemies.

I slept with a girl I was totally spun over a few months after I got out, (who I met on the job, actually), and I just didn't know how to handle it. She was my first lay, and I was infatuated with her. I wouldn't leave her the fuck alone. And then, when she wasn't responsive, I said it was her fault and that she was playing a "game". Needless to say, when she moved, she said straight out that she didn't want to give  me her forwarding address or new phone number.

#3: Attachment issues SUCK!!!! Blaming your attachment issues on another person who likes you (or at least, used to) and means you no harm is even SUCKIER!!!

I also had some bad depression, which continued into my freshman year of college, but changed dramatically when I transferred and went to a school where there were more social outlets and student resources.

#4: It's ok to acknowledge what you need and go get it. Nobody else will do it for you, and nobody will tell you what that is, because in the real world, people really don't care, unless they are your parents... and most of the time, they're wrong anyway, since they were the ones who sent you to that fuckhole out in the woods in the first place.

I thought I could talk to people like I did in raps, and fully expected them to be receptive. My boss from my second job out had to stop me from confronting the owner when he was a dick to me one time. She said "Are you fucking crazy? Do you want to lose your job?" It never occurred to me I could get fired for something like that. (What? Did I have amnesia? I had jobs before RMA!)

#5: People don't talk this way in real life, and if they do, everyone else will think that you are crazy, stupid or both.

I realized that if I didn't "run my anger", pound pillows in my parents' basement, or sob uncontrollably every week, I was just fine, and nothing bad happened.

#6: Okay, that was a bunch of fucking stupid crap.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2007, 11:40:23 PM »
castle


that was good stuff.

that reminded me of graduating and first 6 months post graduation.

Without trying - my mind would race....."how in the fuck am i going to take care of my 'shit'?   I mean come on , fuckin-a , I've got to run my shit!!! Give me a fucking break. How can I get through a week with out a bonafide verbal assault on something/someone....therefore   I must trust counsel 5 days a week - where will I procure such trust counseling partner?...No where...it's impossible .....Holy shit.........I'm fucked.."

yoda says....a desperate junkie it is..........

Could you imagine if they put that in the RMA brochure? "within 7 minutes of graduation your child will be rendered socially paralyzed by cedu bizarro mind fucking koolaid doctrine."

don't despair your child has the 'tools' .....just send your youngest child/relative/friend our way and everything will be fine.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 01:34:23 PM »
Shan, Castle, Dishdutyfugitive

Thank you--all very helpful. Because these facilities are such closed systems, those of us on the outside don't have a clue what to expect, how to help, or when to get out of the way. All comments help me understand.

One of the ironies in my niece's case is that the main reason she was sent to BCA was that she was having explosive bouts of anger. If they are teaching her to "run her shit" as has so often been mentioned, then they're teaching her to perfect the behavior she was sent away for. Crazy.

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How can I get through a week with out a bonafide verbal assault on something/someone....therefore I must trust counsel 5 days a week - where will I procure such trust counseling partner


I think "trust counsel" is lingo I am unfamiliar with.

But this issue relates to something else I have wondered. It seems to me she will need counseling to adapt to life outside BCA--actual competent counseling--and to help her understand what she has experienced. And ugh! won't she just loathe the whole idea?

This brings me back to my questions about what friends and family could do to help her when she returns.

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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 02:45:06 PM »
When she returns, honestly, just be there for her. It may take her years to get past the programming. She's going to have some rough times.

Let her know that she can tell you as much or as little about her experience as she wants. Eventually, you will hear some mind-boggling stories, I'm sure. But at first, she may be scared to tell you anything that happened for fear that they'll come get her and ship her back or something of that sort. In these programs, they truly "program" the kids to not tell outsiders or anyone who hasn't gone through an "experience" what happens in said experience.

As for being open to therapy......I came to that place on my own after about 6 months post-program. I realized that I wasn't functioning appropriately in the "real world" and that I had odd, misplaced beliefs about the world. I was becoming severely depressed and got a referral to a good therapist who helped me start the process of discussing what happened at cedu. That, for me, may have been the only good/tangible thing that I ever got out of therapy.

It then took several years for me to fully disclose what happened and still my parents don't believe me. It really is sad, but as one of my friends says, I think it's because they don't want to believe that they could have done something so very wrong for their child. They still like to paint me as this "horror" child.

Anyways, post program, just be there for your niece. Let her know that you want to help her out.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 03:02:37 PM »
Thanks, Guest. Will do.

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It then took several years for me to fully disclose what happened and still my parents don't believe me. It really is sad, but as one of my friends says, I think it's because they don't want to believe that they could have done something so very wrong for their child. They still like to paint me as this "horror" child.


A professor of adolescent mental health at a major university explained to me that when a family system is very complex--multiple traumatic or destabilizing events, addictions, abuses, divorces, remarriages, etc.--it is not uncommon for one person to be singled out to be the "problem person," or scapegoat, for all the family's problems. This is "easier" than actually confronting and dealing with thorny issues like raging stepdads or alcoholic moms or financial crises.

I don't know you so am only speculating, but perhaps that is what happened to you...

I wish you all the best. If only I could tell her to tap her heels together three times and that would bring her home.

And so I sign myself,

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 03:07:29 PM »
Any truth to the rumor that her parents will have been told never to allow her to come live at their house? Especially not if she runs away, but even if she graduates? That allowing her to live with them or supporting her just keeps her from being "independent"?

Has any CEDU-affiliated organization tried to contact you post-graduation or post-program?

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 07:21:05 PM »
It's very common for CEDU based programs to recommend a traditional boarding school post program. They'd prefer the kid not to return and dash the illusion that the program worked.
They typically have a list of prefered schools, which they apparently have a relationship with. The kid will return to program if they screw up at the boarding school.
With Hidden Lake Academy the 'warranty' was void if you didn't make the post program placement.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 07:35:03 PM »
Sorry, Deb. That wasn't  my experience with CEDU. You are partially right, however. Hilltop was a school that was part of the CEDU chain, and sometimes, certain kids would be referred there. But not a significant percentage.

My experience was that once you have graduated and they have gotten all your money, they kick you to the wind and say adios. "What? You don't have a high school diploma? Sorry, goodbye. And don't forget to trust counsel with a pillow on a chair 3 times a week... or you'll DIE."

But this may  have changed in the 90s. Not sure which CEDU era you are referring to.

EDIT: Oops, CEDU-based oh ok, my mistake. Thought you meant the CEDU chain only.
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Re: What was coming home like for you?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 01:22:48 AM »
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Would any of you be kind enough to tell me more about what you experienced in the first days, weeks, months you were home?

Did you go back to your old school? Did your friends know where you'd been and what you'd gone through? What did they say?

Were there things that friends or family could have done or said to help make it easier? Were there things they did or said that made it harder to come home?

AuntieEm


I went to a new school but kept some of my old friends. I could not easily explain to my friends what had happened to me over the past couple of years, though my attempts illicited some pretty shocked/strange reactions.  For the most part they had no idea how to interperit what I was telling them. I on the other hand had no idea how to outline the generalities, so all my stories were about being a totonka and living in a tipi (at Ascent), or being made to scream about my first grade teacher and beat a pillow on the ground while counsilors egged me on (one of the profeets).

My friends and family were all very supportive, and my new school was a haven for friendly kids who didn't fit in at public schools. In many ways my transition from NWA could be considered optimal.

It was however an extreme culture shock.  I had to totally regain my sense of what is socially acceptable, and normal in the outside world.  I remember my anxiety about leaving the place began before I was even out of Idaho.  I was told a lot of horrible things about what would happen to my life if I left "before I was ready" and couldn't help but take some of them to heart. Furthermore I would hear songs used in emotional release portions of profeets and my head would fill in the screams. I had a couple random freakouts from hearing "what the world needs now" or "he ain't heavy he's my brother" (if you want specific insight into what I am talking about with propheets go here: http://groups.myspace.com/CEDUdoctrine  I don't know if the format of the program is the same now as it was when I was there however) .  

The longer term has been harder for me than the short term was.  It has been difficult for me to forgive my parents for what I see as an increasingly sinister chapter in my past (even though I understand why they kept me there).  I have more difficulty with my emotions and relationships due to the confusion of trying to overcome deeply ingrained ideas that I no longer trust, not knowing what ideas I can trust that I picked up there, and difficulty setting appropriate boundaries with people - particularly those I am close to.  It is still the most disturbing and deeply confusing thing that has ever happened to me.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 03:48:27 PM »
Deb and castle

Are you suggesting that past 18 and past graduation from HS she could be sent to another boarding school? Her parents are pickled in Koolaid! so I horrified this may be true.

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My friends and family were all very supportive, and my new school was a haven for friendly kids who didn't fit in at public schools. In many ways my transition from NWA could be considered optimal.

Does this suggest your parents had changed their views on NWA? I have access to a similar-sounding public school here and I was thinking she should not go back to her home.  Not to her Koolaid-drinking parents, nor to her former school where I fear she would be stigmatized. I feel bad that I would be asking her to start over again.  

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It was however an extreme culture shock. I had to totally regain my sense of what is socially acceptable, and normal in the outside world. I remember my anxiety about leaving the place began before I was even out of Idaho. I was told a lot of horrible things about what would happen to my life if I left "before I was ready" and couldn't help but take some of them to heart.

No child should have to endure this. There are so many alternatives for providing help, care and support for a child in their home environment--okay, not always, but the barrier is usually financial resources, and obviously parents find money to send kids to TBSs.  

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(if you want specific insight into what I am talking about with propheets go here: http://groups.myspace.com/CEDUdoctrine I don't know if the format of the program is the same now as it was when I was there however).


This was helpful, thanks, and echoes what blownaway and castle and others have posted here on fornits. Please keep telling these stories. The specifics about the language and the program are very powerful documentation of what happens there. Your experiences are so similar even during different time periods.

BCA is under new ownership, yes, but my research points to the school continuing the same basic program--most of the same staff, very similar language--they use a bit of it on their web site (Voyageurs, Quest, purple cow) and I have heard her parents use it.

While I appreciate the efforts to require that these schools at least be licensed and accredited--that's better than nothing--it's still "lipstick on a pig"--just makes them look better. I fear it makes them more impervious to scrutiny--even easier to sell to parents! Even easier for public officials to look the other way. People I talk to are reassured that BCA is licensed and accredited.

You all are so kind and brave to share with me.

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2007, 05:32:28 PM »
I can't write too much here as I am at work but I think there is some good stuff and it hits home for me too (literally)

So I wanted to do a quick post.

I was pulled in New Horizons and cannot explain how difficult the transition back to normal life was.

First and foremost the guilt. Entering a Record store (I am dating myself) and feeling butterflies in my stomach for looking at music deemed unaccceptable or "pop offs" as we called them.

As for leaving - Analogy would be Luke Skywalker leaving Yoda in Empire Strikes back. "Your work is not finished" - "You must complete your training" type guilt associated. Feeling incredibly guilty for leaving and that I would never fully be "fixed." Total kool aid BS.

As I sat in my educational counselors office, he asked for "my story." I told him "my story" in a similiar fashion one might tell their story on the floor in Cedu/RMA packed full with disclosures. My Educational Counselors jaw dropped. He said he had never heard anything like what I had been through and was in awe of what I had told him with regards to my story.
- Point is - when you get out, you share inappropriately and use language that is not what normal society uses. I told a girl I was seeing that she was "out of touch with where I was at." It freaked her out.

After no music, TV, news, clothes with logos, I was literally naive on society and had no clue who I was. I went through a HUGE phase just trying to figure out who I was. What is my style? Still to this day - if I hear music that came out in 89-91 it is foreign to me. I was, for all intents and purposes pulled into some horrible evil time warp for those two years.

Being at the grocery store and hearing "Love is Real" by John Lennon can still give me a little jolt. (or similiar propheet songs)
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 07:39:48 PM »
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Does this suggest your parents had changed their views on NWA? I have access to a similar-sounding public school here and I was thinking she should not go back to her home.  Not to her Koolaid-drinking parents, nor to her former school where I fear she would be stigmatized. I feel bad that I would be asking her to start over again.  


Yes and No. I went to NWA toward the end of the 90s (98-00) and things were beginning to happen in the CEDU empire that were forshadowing the sorts of problems that fully blossomed in the past few years.  My parents got the sense that it wasn't being well managed by the Brown schools and that was one reason they decided I should leave the place early. They also felt I needed to have a normal (or more normal) senior year if I was going to make it at college.

On the other hand they maintained that CEDU had been the right course of action, saved my life (etc. etc.) for a long time afterward. I got the first confirmation that they have negative feelings toward the place this year (I think the facts surrounding the shutdown have finally sunk in).  

I don't know to what extent the system is the same in terms of parental interaction as it was when I was there, but I actually went to a parents' workshop when I was there to help them manipulate, and they had it down to a science.  I helped with the Voyageur parents, and the gig was to prep them for everything the kids would tell thier parents, discredit all of it with claims that the kids were being "manipulative" or "playing games", and then wire it back into the CEDU doctrine and all the supposed emotional reasons for these behaviors.  Then when the Voyageur parents saw thier kids (for the first time since sending them away) they would hear all the things they prepared to hear by the workshop (most of them legitimate grievances against the place) and it would play as conformation of CEDU's power to read thier kids.
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good intelligent posts
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2007, 09:05:45 AM »
finally some more intelligent posts about...for lack of better terms: mind bending and "pigfucking".
thanks peeps.
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