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The Troubled Teen Industry / Comparisons which dont involve death counts
« on: February 16, 2007, 04:51:58 AM »
So. one thing i have been noticing a lot recently is discussion based around the idea of comparison of TBS/Wilderness to Normal School/ Summer camp. i am sure i am not alone in thinking that the comparison is silly on many levels so i thought i would take death counts and physical violence out of it and compare and contrast the other differences to see which is healthier

TBS kids are locked up witout trial for indefinite sentences
Jailed convicted criminals have the right to representation and an appeal. They have a good idea of when they will be free
Normal kids either live among the community or go home to it regularly.

TBS kids get 1/2 an academic education because so much time is devoted to "therapy"
Normal BS/ school first and foremost about school

TBS stops kids from making realistic choices
Normal school kids learn about life from making mistakes and choices

TBS Forces therapy
Normal therapy is voluntary. if the patient is just not feeling it they go somewhere better for them.

TBS uses exercise to punish
Normal school offers recreational activities and opportunities for healthy competition. Sullen chess players are not forced to run if it is not their thing. Blokey boys are not forced to dress in drag to get out of their comfort zone!

Summer camp keeps kids busy and entertained
Wilderness keeps kids busy and penalised for their sins and transgressions

Normal BS sometimes has strict but usually fair rules. The whole family makes the decision as to whether this is what their child will benefit from this
TBS has rules which apply in a focault thesis but not in any actual world setting

Normal BS has houses and year levels appropriate ot age and academic skill. These build comraderie but do not replace the family
TBS has pretend "families" and Peer Groups made up of perfect stangers which replace a real family.

When a normal boarding school kid tells mum that they are homesick and cant wait to be home they are reminded of how the holidays, next home weekend etc is just around the corner. Worried mums who follow up with those in charge are encouraged to call in or see how their child is doing in a day or 2
At TBS a home sick kids is made to suck it up for a year. Worried parents aretold the kids is just making shit up

At normal BS mail and phone calls are uncensored. parents would be puzzled at the suggestion that somebody else would have the right to interfere with the relationship between them and their child
At most TBS censorship is encouraged. Parents apparently have no issue with assuming a stanger knows their child better than they

PPL feel free to add your own  comparisons

The Troubled Teen Industry / struggling teens site vanished
« on: February 11, 2007, 03:31:17 AM »
The struggling teens site has temporarily vanished. Do we dare to hope?

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 10, 2007, 08:06:06 PM »
given that alot of americans practice some kind of mainstream Christianity, has anyone thought of contacting the major churches about this issue.
Granted there are many Christian programmes out there and some branches of religion have really brought into this spare the rod bullshit but it is hard to know whether or not programmes are actually supported by the heirachy of their denominations or if the major religions are aware of the secular programes.
There seem to be many Christian media commentators in the US that have a reasonable level of power. Has anyone contacted organisations like Focus on the Family? It could be an avenue to try.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Get to the followong site quickly
« on: February 05, 2007, 02:57:36 AM » ... 2;t=001327

Unfortunately I am not allowed to copy and paste my own handiwork.
It is too bad it is 3am in the US right now but if any night owls are up
I am taking bets and posting a pop quiz

How long does anyone think it will be before this post gets deleted?

For those who get to see it If you can guess the names of the following companies or programmes that i censored to be within the rules you win a bag of Chocolate frogs posted from across the world

company 1
Company 2 and this is more difficult
* ****** ***
Happy playing Kats and Kittens

Brat Camp / where would i get my hands on brat camp
« on: February 02, 2007, 11:15:12 PM »
i am wondering if anyone knows how I would get hold of some full episodes of brat camp. I would want at least one british season and one American. I have seen individual scenes from Utube but am after a full episode

The Troubled Teen Industry / Jordan Riak is a bloddy legend
« on: February 02, 2007, 05:03:38 AM »
i posted this in thhe wwasp forum as well
It may surprise many of you as it did me to find out that jordan Riak of No Spank lived with his children in Australia in the early 1980s. While this barbaric practice has long since been stamped out, at that time it was a socially accepted practice in our public schools. When a friend of his son was caned by the local primary school, he staged a publicty stunt where by he went to the school, stole the cane and then turned himself into the police for theft so that they would be forced to charge him and the issue would be public. the link shows a newspaper article from the covering the incident. By the end of that decade the practice was banned in all Australian states.

The Troubled Teen Industry / restorative justice
« on: February 01, 2007, 07:00:20 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
And, of course, if a kid is genuinely criminally victimizing people, his ass belongs in juvie.

This quote is about the only thing i disagreed with in a post by Julie on the WWASP forum. I would argue that sentencing for young offenders in the majority of cases needs to err on the side of second chances. Once a person is incarcerated they are much more likely to reoffend. It would be good to see a restorative justice model set up particularly in the case of property crimes. in most cases this involves some kind of mediated conference where the victim of the crime tells of the impact that the crime has had on them and the purpertrator has to listen and take in the effects of what they have done as a part of their sentencing.

In 2003 the NSW town of Nowra set up a version of this for indigenous offenders both juvenile and adult when white magistrates and aboriginal elders agreed that what they were doing was not working either for the offenders or the wider community. The results have been great. As at last year only one offender had been sent to jail under this system. Only a small handful and reoffended at all. here are some articles on both the Justice circle and the general conferencing model ... 01318.html

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Profeeet Vs Workshop
« on: February 01, 2007, 12:26:33 AM »
can anyone describe to me the difference between a profeet and a workshop at CEDU?

Open Free for All / Gatto and Llewellyn
« on: January 31, 2007, 07:26:24 AM »
So i took cassandras advice and checked both of these people out and had a bit of a read of the gatto harpers essay. They have some interesting ideas.

I have met a couple of people who have been home schooled and went to uni with 1 or 2 kids who did the closest Australian thing and went to montessori primary schools and alternative high schools. Most of these people have been engaging, intelligent and I guess the type to march to their own tune. I know the 2 kids i studied with had brilliant minds and did extremely academically well at university. One is now a corporate laywer, the other works in retail part time purely to pay the bills and devotes all other time to playing the saxiphone and surfing. So it did not surprise me when gatto claimed most unschooled kids who applied got into top colleges. I can also see at least one of my own siblings doing better under this system than in the strict boys schools that he always loathed and rebelled against. it is also abundantly clear that 12 years of traditional education did nothing for my spelling skills!

However. i am not sure i can really go in completely for the idea. i am sure that had i been educated in this fashion, I would have not devoted a whole lot of time to learning and figuring out what i liked to study. Given the choice between studying the russian revolution or running around a hockey oval on a crisp autumn afternoon, the hockey would have won out every time. Ditto watching trashy TV versus my french and economics  homework. There were some subjects i fell in love with at school but it was as much because their particular teachers made them come alive for me.

 A fairly strict school system taught me discipline and a work ethic. At the end of the day I liked the social aspect of school and when i got to go into excellerated humanities classes liked the competetive element. Competive and team sports as well as extra curricular activities like theatre prodctions were also an important part of school for me. I think I may have been a little adrift without them.

I also dont know how practical Gatto is when he criticises schools on a marxist level. While most schools are preparing kids to work in a capitalist system, this is because it is the system that we all need to survive in. it is a brave few who get to do what they love and or live comepletely self sufficently. Most of us have to survive in some kind of office or company environment. School does prepare kids for that in a way but having them turn up every week day, dress appropriately etc.

I am interested in hearing the experiences of those who were not educated in a traditional way or chose something closer to gatto and Llewellyn when they educated their own kids.

The Troubled Teen Industry / CEDU schools reopening
« on: January 29, 2007, 04:11:02 AM »
it looks like the following old CEDU schools/ programmes have been reopened by a company called universal health services

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / CEDU schools reopening
« on: January 29, 2007, 04:09:50 AM »
it looks like the following old CEDU schools/ programmes have been reopened by a company called universal health services

Aspen Education Group / Aspen's own brightway
« on: January 29, 2007, 12:33:52 AM »

Aspen has opened its own "diagnostic centre" for when the net survey or an ed con just cant do the trick. Is this even legal? Afterall Brightway wasn't

The Troubled Teen Industry / Where did Paris go?
« on: January 23, 2007, 07:27:46 AM »
i am reading House of Hilton. i know- it is mortifying but i am a weak willed woman with a terrible love of trash and the Who weekly excerpt did not satisfy me!!!
it mentiones that our hero went to a school for "troubled children in Utah" anyone know which one?

Can anyone provide the rough dates of Lichfields tenure at provo Canyon Boys school?

Feed Your Head / short film
« on: January 21, 2007, 04:58:33 AM »
An old friend of my brother made this film. I thought it was adorable ... 1723765464

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