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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / atlanta straight
« on: March 26, 2005, 04:48:00 PM »
On 2005-03-25 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I would like to express some concerns about this website and my anonymity.

Main Entry: anonymity

Pronunciation: "a-n&-'ni-m&-tE

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s):  plural -ties

Date: 1820

1 : the quality or state of being anonymous

2 : one that is anonymous

My first and last name are now on google. Because someone thought it was ok to use my first and last name in a message. I own a business and people use google to locate me.I have websites and web is vital to my business success.  I would like to know how to remove this. I'm very upset. Please some one respond.

thanks upset and concerned in Virginia."

You have got to love that Spider! Fixed it for you.


Hey! Dipshitzky?!

I have an MBA and knock down some serious jack and still think you're a scabby douche-bag. I seriously suspect that you are kidding, but I find nothing funny in you denigration of jews. Perhaps your hypothetical daughter just doen't want to have relations with you any longer. BTW, how do you watch the TV? I am certain you have spent a couple of years after-tax earnings on it and your "$30,000" automobile. Also, luxury and van do not belong in the same sentence.

Here's something you can do for fun. Go post some anti-Islamic stuff on one of their websites. You life should get real interesting after that. For a short while at least. I look forward to reading about it on fox news.

CL[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2005-02-11 18:43 ]

On 2004-06-29 23:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I dont ever get the opportunity to see the faces of these criminals (7Steppers),but when I do I will kill them."

Think about this, all of us 7-steppers put up with and dealt with many more punks than just yourself. Don't you think we'd have learned something from all of this. Could it be that one thing we learned was how to keep our asses from being kick by punks such as yourself? I have been threatened by people that scare me. You, however, are not one of them.


Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Atlanta friends88-90
« on: July 23, 2004, 01:53:00 PM »
I have been close to 2221 Austel Rd. but haven't actually seen the building since my last dealings with straight in 1988. Isn't strange how we always just referred to it as "the building" and that one phrase could make you feel such dread.


Let It Bleed / Sex and Drugs and Rock & Roll
« on: May 14, 2004, 04:28:00 PM »


Let It Bleed / Does anyone know?
« on: May 14, 2004, 04:26:00 PM »
On 2004-05-14 06:50:00, Froderik13 wrote:

"Please be genital, er, I mean gentle...  :lol: "

What? You're going to say its your first time or something?

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Anonymous Manifesto
« on: March 10, 2004, 04:33:00 PM »
On 2004-03-10 13:25:00, Therion wrote:

"Omg clay dont gooo!!

Eat fucking shit straightling

You're so pathetic. The worst thing you can call me is a fucking straightling? I'll tell you what, when you've been talking to people around here for a couple of years, then I might, MIGHT, listen to your sorry junkie ass. Don't hold your breath though. Have a nice day now!  :grin:

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Anonymous Manifesto
« on: March 10, 2004, 04:20:00 PM »
Actually, it's you guys and not the anons that are the reason that I generally don't read or post to this board any more.....

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / NA/AA/Stepcraft is Dangerous
« on: February 23, 2004, 09:42:00 AM »
All this stuff sounds just like a bunch of sour grapes. My sponsor did my girlfriend, boo hoo! You know what, I had a sponsor do the same thing one time and then found out he was the tail end of a long list of "friends" that had been doing her. Fired his ass and dumped the bitch and it was one of the best things that could have happened. Good riddence to a skanky bitch and shitty "friends!" To think that this only happens in AA/NA is fallacy though. The AA/NA crowd has no monopoly on this kind of behaviour. It is only because they all talk about each other to justify this kind of crap that it seems out of proportion.

On the other side of the coin, however, is that AA/NA has indeed helped a lot of people. For me, I find it hard to believe that some people can tell themselves they are doing quite well when they are busy sticking needles in their arms. I tend to think that is more survival than living.

Now, before you guys go ballistic, know this. I attended AA/NA for better than 16 years. I have been through all the books and pretty much know their program inside and out. I drink now and find no difficulty with is whatsoever. I think this way. I don't think the steps and such go far enough or that most ever REALLY work them. To me, the whole thing is about finding the issues that made you want to escape, correcting the damage when the pressure valve blew and making a remedy for the root causes of the entire event. Once done, the the person can go and live a normal life, including drinking, and have fun. It goes against the principles of all "The Steps" to say something can MAKE me behave in a manner that I do not wish. If I do not want to be a shithead no one can make me. Neither, if I want to be an ass, it  cannot be stopped. Well I take that back, the law can throw me in jail, er, well no, I can be an ass there also....

Saying booze makes me behave a certain way is the same as my sponsor stating my girlfriends stuff is SOOOOO tempting it made his "disease" come out. Hell, there were two things comming out and neither of them are called disease. They can be diseased, but that is a different matter entirely. I also believe that making you arms a pin cushion is different. If God had meant for me to do that, I'd have been born with a stint.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / History Questions
« on: February 19, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
6.) Seek through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, praying only for the knowledge of his will for us and the power to carry it out.

Or there abouts. This one was almost a direct port from AA.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / F U C K censorship
« on: February 18, 2004, 04:49:00 PM »
On 2004-02-18 13:12:00, Anonymous wrote:


On 2004-02-18 12:03:00, Reagon Youth wrote:

"P O R N is not a bad word

Censorship is for pro-straight people"

Y O U are as trashy as trash gets.

Y O U have no room to talk, and have no respect from me on any level.

Y O U alone give the word porn a bad name.

Besides, this is a survivor site last time I checked, not a P O R N site.

I've never seen a decent thing contributed by your abhorrent self here.

G E T some serious help.


Hmmmm, now where have I heard talk like this? Let me think..... Oh now I remember and you for got to mention "drain on the group," "...makes me sick," and so on. All we need now is a staff member to holler, "Somebody else!"


Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / marriage
« on: February 18, 2004, 04:44:00 PM »
On 2004-02-18 11:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::rainbow:: Kady"

And baked off more than its fair share of brian cells!  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:


Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / marriage
« on: February 18, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »
On 2004-02-17 19:48:00, kaydeejaded wrote:

"well Clay that gives me hope...if even a republican can find love lol!  ::rainbow::  ::nod::

A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it.  That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance


You know, it could just be that I'm so happy because of my conservative values....

 :smile:  CL

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Oxycontin welcome to 2nd phase!!!
« on: February 18, 2004, 11:22:00 AM »
The whole thing that I find sad and truly scary is that glorified cops get to make medical decisions instead of the professionals whole spend their whole lives training to take care of me. Cops are not Doctors and should have never been listened to for medical decisions.

There is another issue here also. There have been quite a few recent studies saying that if you stomp on pain early and with an effective dose the healing process is shortened and the patient responds better to treatment as a whole.


Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / AA Deprogramming
« on: February 17, 2004, 02:18:00 PM »
On 2004-02-17 04:53:00, The Angel Therion wrote:

"Part of mastering life is the development of communication skills which will allow us to be as honest as we can be in a given situation, (honoring our emotions), to avoid building up the spiritual stress of living as a phony or people pleaser.

In many cases, for adults, it is socially challenging to be emotionally honest. But this is not so with young children. If you've ever watched babies, you will have noticed that they are fully emotive creatures. Any inconvenience, a late feeding, a toy she can't reach, a tiny bump of the head results in shrieking cries and full remorseless expression. Once the emotions are let out, the event is forgotten fairly quickly. By crying and expressing herself, the child has realigned herself emotionally and psychologically. The incident is forgotten and the baby returns to its natural, happy state.

Babies don't need drugs or drink to feel alive. They feel alive because they fully experience and express their emotions. While I am not suggesting that people wail like infants over food arriving late at a restaurant, I am suggesting that a full emotional life where feelings are honored and expressed constructively is the goal to work toward. Newly recovering alcoholics and addicts rarely know how to handle their emotions properly. There is a need to find the balance between social acceptability (not being a danger to self and others) while at the same time, honoring emotions rather than denying them, even if those emotions are profound. Infantile expression and utter repression are both extremes for which there is a high cost.

For emotion stuffers, AA does not set out to awaken their emotional worlds. Far from it! Instant "Serenity" is set forth as the immediate emotional goal for all members... serenity being an emotional state devoid of notable highs or lows! Members are taught to avoid strong emotions! Unfortunately, before one can even think about serenity, long repressed deep emotions such as anger, rage and grief must be dealt with. These feelings cannot be "candy coated" with any hope of long term success. Sadly, when members do experience strong emotions they may be shamed for having an emotional relapse, or labeled dry drunks. The state of Serenity, which is presented as emotional flatness, is unhealthy by standards of modern psychology. A broad range of deep emotions, appropriately used is what emotional health is all about! This is what makes life colorful, rich and worthwhile. It is unrealistic to expect to go through life without strong emotions. Life brings joy as well as tragedy. Such is the nature of living.

Because members try to maintain the precarious state of Serenity, but at the same time, are often hiding deep emotional pain, they are frequently living life as emotional time bombs. This is why expression of deep emotions is often discouraged in meetings. Members are to "work the program" on their strong feelings, so they don't feel them with intensity, and most importantly, so they don't express them. The fear is that one person's "time-bomb" (the expression of strong emotion in a meeting)... will detonate the entire mine field.

Instead of working toward the goal of finally opening the Pandora's box of repressed emotions which has been neglected by years of drinking, then fully experiencing and attaching the proper feelings to past life events, many AA members fail to address these issues at all. Why? For several reasons. Firstly, AA suggests that people "let go" of the past in a wave-of-the-hand type of gesture -- to get off the pity pot and focus on the "important" things, like passing on the 12 step "remedy" to others. Also, for many it seems too terrifying to go inside and face the demons of the past! Thus by failing to go back and grieving their own pains and losses, they never develop the emotional sensitivity which is needed to make life pleasurable and which will allow them to be able to empathize with the pain of others. This is why so many sponsors are lack adequate sensitivity. Instead of dealing with the scary past, members often learn to exist in the spiritual fishbowl of AA, riding on religious fluff and an intense social high meanwhile mistakenly attributing their deadened spirit to the "disease" of alcoholism. The intense social high and the rituals of AA keeps the flame from the fuse. Too often, emotions remain buried behind a facade of gratitude for the program and the emotional pretense of serenity.

Surely we can do better than this...


I like the analysis of the meeting mentality. Let's look at this though. If one does the things that are in both the steps and your arguments above, dealing with, understanding and resolving the emotional baggage and defects in character, then shouldn't, by definition, one no longer need the meeting and even abstinence?

Thing is, I am not sure where your argument is heading.


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