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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 08:47:25 PM »
I am not meaning to be confrontational..but..I would like to post the following message from a student at MBA, to me, regarding the staff at MBA:
Fam-bay Adamou-Gazis November 16, 2009 at 11:55pm Report
First of all. I never reported MBA to just let you know. Someone called me asked me about my exprence at MBA and I told them what happend. I left it at that. I never pressed chargers againts the school for child abuse or none of that shit. I dont know where you got it from that i started the whole child abused shit. yeah iam happy MBA it self got shut down but iam sad for the staff that i once cared about who had lost their jobs. MBA has two sides of it and I exprince the bad side of MBA.

This is from the very student who CHOOSE her french maid costume for her lifestep Psy.  According to her.  Just saying..I think sometimes when we are dealing with poeple's account of events that took place, we should consider the source.  In the case of ALL parties involved with this industry, both sides of the fence.

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 05:56:35 PM »
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "heelhasabunyon"
Quote from: "psy"
Why don't you describe where you worked, what she has accused you of, and why you feel they are false allegations.  And for shits and giggles, why don't you publish her emails.  I know a few around here will probably get a little chuckle.

I do not work in the industry, nor am i former student.  I live within seconds of Sagewalk, and miles from MTBA.  I wanted to know, as a person with an unclear understanding of the industry as a whole who lives within a community of former staffers, how she came upon her conclusions that ALL of the staff at afore mentioned programs were infact guilty of abuse.  Instead of an explanation, I was threatened with a law suit, personally insulted, threatened with arrest, threatened with the FBI, PETA (i used to raise registered english lops) among other things.  She also immediately targeted two former employees of MTBA in association with me, how or why she came to this conclusion is BEYOND me...she even accused me of pretending to be a lawyer representing these people..which is laughable.
 
Immediately I began to question her creidibility, not the programs i initially contacted her about.
Well.  MBA does have a history.

Ask some of your friends who work at MBA about LifeSteps.

Time Magazine did an article a while back about it:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... -1,00.html

Page 3 is where the good stuff starts.  Now I know for a fact those kids couldn't have possibly made that stuff up because they did the exact same things, french maid outfit and all, at the CEDU based program I was in.  It may be hard to admit that your friends were involved in these things, and they might not have seen it as abuse, but imagine if you were one of those kids.  That sort of thing does not help.  Ask yourself how a lap dance is therapeutic.  Or even if it wasn't a lap dance and that was an exaggeration, how is Kelis's "milkshake", a song about hand jobs, possibly appropriate in a therapeutic context for teens.  Ask yourself if it could have traumatized some, especially those who might have had a history of sexual abuse.

Why she is attacking you if you didn't work there is beyond me.  If she's not listening to reason, my suggestion is to get a lawyer involved.  However.  If she has not listed you on your website, and you're just sticking up for your friends, i'd advice you to examine very very closely who you are defending.  Good people can do bad things when they are lead to believe it's in the greater good.  Angela is indeed nuts, but that doesn't mean MBA is good.

Noted. I have read all publications that i know about regarding MTBA.  I have also personally attended a "rose ceremony".  I am not an industry professional, and did not experience being a student here, so i can't speak of whether or not abuse took place factually.  I can however ask people making the accusations to provide proof though, cant I?  Instead of this being provided, I was personally attacked.  That is all my point is...i am not here to defend MTBA or people who worked there.  I am here as a member of a community which houses several of these schools and I want to know the truth.  I have read accounts of students such as Fembi's, and Joe's, and I have also heard stories from parents and students who's lives have been changed for the good..I just don't know where to put my opinion at this point regarding MTBA as a whole.

As far as my "friends" who worked at MTBA, this applies to one person, who did not work on the campus and never abused anyone.  I can say that factually.  I can also honestly say that my contacting angela was not to "defend" my friend, it was a reasonable request for proof that abuses that she alleges (homosexual cleansing, brainwashing, cult, etc.) are true.  I don't think MTBA is "good"...I am still in the process of forming my opinion....which is why I reached out to Angela in the first place.  

I hope this makes sense.

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 05:28:12 PM »
Quote from: "Joel"
You are close to Springfield then?
i live in redmond oregon.

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 05:03:56 PM »
Quote from: "Joel"
People I have nothing to do with this.  I had my problems with her  for various reasons and forgot about them for the most part.
I have no idea who you are, and your right, you have nothing to do with me forming the conclusion that angela smith is a whacko...angela smith does.

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 05:02:16 PM »
Quote from: "psy"
Why don't you describe where you worked, what she has accused you of, and why you feel they are false allegations.  And for shits and giggles, why don't you publish her emails.  I know a few around here will probably get a little chuckle.

I do not work in the industry, nor am i former student.  I live within seconds of Sagewalk, and miles from MTBA.  I wanted to know, as a person with an unclear understanding of the industry as a whole who lives within a community of former staffers, how she came upon her conclusions that ALL of the staff at afore mentioned programs were infact guilty of abuse.  Instead of an explanation, I was threatened with a law suit, personally insulted, threatened with arrest, threatened with the FBI, PETA (i used to raise registered english lops) among other things.  She also immediately targeted two former employees of MTBA in association with me, how or why she came to this conclusion is BEYOND me...she even accused me of pretending to be a lawyer representing these people..which is laughable.
 
Immediately I began to question her creidibility, not the programs i initially contacted her about.

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 04:50:25 PM »
Hello Psy.

here is the one i just got, you may find it interesting:


fromLogan Payton <logan.payton@gmail.com>
toAngela Smith--Survivor Response <angela@heal-online.org>

ccMichael Crawford <psyborgue@mac.com>

dateTue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM
subjectRe: Mt Bachelor Academy Staff List
mailed-bygmail.com

hide details 1:42 PM (6 minutes ago)


Angela,
 
You are crazy/irrational.  I dont really find your petty threats to be anything taken very seriously, and Fornits is NOT where I found your resume...LOL.
 
PS..it would be difficult to assume that I am harassing you, as you respond to each and every email I have sent, minus one.  
 
I have B'ccd the President, the CIA, the FBI, PETA, NRA, NAFTA, NATO and Bill Gates.  Among others.  
 
PS, nice website...real classy layout.

Angela Smith--Survivor Response <angela@heal-online.org>
reply-toAngela Smith--Survivor Response <angela@heal-online.org>

toLogan Payton <logan.payton@gmail.com>

ccMichael Crawford <psyborgue@mac.com>

dateTue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:35 PM
subjectRe: Mt Bachelor Academy Staff List
Dear Logan,
 
Thank you for contacting HEAL.  I assume you frequent http://www.fornits.com and that is where you found my resume.  I have repeatedly asked that my account on fornits.com and all posts be removed.  Apparently, I may have to speak with my attorney about that.  
 
In any event, your e-mails are harassment.  We have repeatedly told you to stop e-mailing us.  As far as prosecution, we are looking at possible communications theft among other charges.  
 
It is in your best interest to cease and desist contacting our organization.  
 
Sincerely,
 
Angela Smith
HEAL Coordinator
 
(PS Any bcc'd folks, please forward this to Ginger as I can't find her e-mail address.  Thanks.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Logan Payton
To: Angela Smith--Survivor Response
- Show quoted text -
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mt Bachelor Academy Staff List


You worked at payless shoes? wow! I heard they only hire the best, er, shoe salesmen.  You are one talented individual.  
 
Hopefully you can get off public assistance soon, and get back to law school.  6 years is a really long "hiatus".

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Open Free for All / Re: HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 03:23:11 PM »
there are innocent people listed on her site, in association with programs she deems as "abusive".  This is a public, searchable site and their information being listed can be very damaging to them professionally (many employess are in a support capacity, i.e. ap/ar, HR, accounting, administrative assistants, etc and have little to no contact with the students, and do not want their names affiliated with "child abuse" when applying for positions in unrelated industries).  I understand many programs are abusive, and questionable in their practices...but painting every employee of just about every private school in the country with the same brush..is in and of itself abusive and damages HEAL's credibility...as well as the focus on "animal's" and the "earth" in addition to teens...she is trivializing her own plight.

You cannot accuse people of something such as ABUSING children, without proof and not have outsiders question the intent, purpose, and professional caliber of the accuser.  It damages the anti-behave mod industry as a whole when extremists like Angela Smith are driving the bus, in the public eye.  (Do one google search and she is right there at the top, jihad and all.)

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Open Free for All / HEAL Coordinator
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:53:29 PM »
This person is nuts...nuts nuts nuts...and as far as I can tell is incredibly damaging to the plight of the anti-behavior mod movement.  

Her website is so huge, and looks as if it were designed by an 8 year old on crack.  When she is poilitely asked to remove names of innocent people from her site, she replies with an email spouting legal mumbo jumbo and a threat of a harrassment lawsuit.

It is INSANE to me that she can falsely accuse and slander people, and then have the audacity to tell them she will the SUE THEM for harrassment when they ask that their names be removed from her site.

..she is a lunatic...

 ::fullofshit::

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