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Quote from: "WERW"

No studies proving any programs effectiveness, but plenty of studies showing programs' damage, to be sure.

So since you have not been able to provide recent studies to disprove the effectiveness of programs we will move forward with the studies we presently have which show them to be effective....

Child murderer, there have been NO STUDIES PROVING ANY PROGRAMS EFFECTIVENESS, as you prove in your inability to provide them

Of course, no genuine studies could ever be conducted on any program, as medical ethics precludes abducting a human being (let alone a child) , imprisoning them, and torturing them, as goes on in a program.

OOOH, Sounds like a good movie, don’t forget the underground torture chambers and the guys with bad teeth..

So you're saying programs don't torture kids?
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Cedu was shut down a few years ago for torturing its students, and the state was seeking to press charges..

However, there have been studies of as Lifespring, Werner Erhard’s EST, and most directly, from Charles E. Dederich’s “Synanon” cult, “church" as therapies for adults. ALL Studies have found these various treatments to be non-effective and damaging.

Of course,  History is interesting reading, but parents typically want to know what is the latest science.  What is effective today.

"History" is relevent for victims of your industry who were abducted by Synanon, it various clones, and Cedu in the 50s and victimized by a society that allows youth to be abducted, imprisoned and tortured by organizations that "claim" to treat "troubled teens" but provide no proof their group does anything but hurt their prisoners. It is relevent for the victims of your industry that continued to be abducted by Cedu, Desisto, Straight, Pathway, AARC, Elan on through the 2000s, into this very moment. "

"Parents" with functioning brain cells are quite interested  that the methodolgies Aspen, WWASP, Elan, Carlbrook, boulder creek, desisto and CEDU (reopened) are using to "treat" their kids are cultic and have been proved to hurt victims. And of course, it's not about the "parents," its about the kids you abduct and torture and have to live with what you've done to them.

Nice to know you think of youth abducted, imprisoned, and tortured in the past as irrelevant examples of ancient history. In five years, of course, that means kids abducted, tortured, and murdered today will also be, according to you, irrelevant examples of ancient history. Your victims are real people who do not deserve to be exposed to torture you claim is therapy, but have NEVER proved it to be anything but torture, and your casual dismissal of their bodies is all too revealing.

A federally contracted investigation found that the Seed was a highly sophisticated brainwashing, abusive system.

Yes it did.

Why is this relevant? ALL the major "programs" CEDU, ASPEN, Wwasp, and Straight-Pathway Center Daytop village, not to mention Desisto and Provo Canyon all use a combination of "therapies" based in these cults, adapted, of course to be more brutal as their new targets, can't simply walk away and refuse to participate.

Did you realize that many our automobiles stem from the Model “T”?  No seat belts or air bags back then.  Henry Ford must have been an abusive bastard huh?  Didn’t care about safety at all.  Think of all the people that died because of that selfish bastard. Bet peoplel ike you were happy when he finally died.
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What are you talking about? You cretin, Henry Ford, didn't abduct, imprison and torure people while claiming to provide "treatment" that had no scientific validity whatsoever.

Yes, you freak, the man who abducted me, worked me from morning to night, punished me with public nudity, molested kids in his bed, subjected me to day in day out peer donouncement sessions, kept me in chains of flesh all day, is a "torturous bastard"

The man I refer to: Micheal Desisto. He provided "treatment" over the course of 40 years. He murdered 1000 kids, by my estimation. The torture i endured in the 00s was identical, or worse than the torture endured by seed victims 30 or so years ago. I endured the same methodologies originated in the same cults executed by the same people or their disiples, because of the same lack of human rights, the same ability of anyone to start a program for "troubled teens" and then do anything they want to a youth deemed troubled, including torture them.

Please prove me wrong. Name a helpful program. I know you can't.

is this ass's posts coming from a new i.p. This is a new "who," right?

I was asked to pick up after Mike left and take the pro-program position.  I am new at this so it will take me awhile to catch up.

huh?