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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 23, 2008, 01:58:32 PM »
Quote from: "losersayswhat?"

Are you really this lonely and your life that devoid of value that you feel the need to impersonate someone even MORE lonely and pathetic than yourself?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 23, 2008, 01:48:13 PM »
Look, everybody, I seem like a nice enough guy and probably don't contribute or add value in anyone's personal life. So I am here to troll the issues concerning the “Troubled Teen industry”, dispute and degrade the details of others who are looking to learn and grow, as I am not, along with ridiculing their personal experiences. When I can demonstrate that I am willing to have an adult conversation with others here and I'm sincere in trying to discuss the issues and add value here then you should respond.



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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« on: September 23, 2008, 01:47:38 PM »
Look, everybody, I seem like a nice enough guy and probably don't contribute or add value in anyone's personal life.  So I am here to troll the issues concerning the “Troubled Teen industry”, dispute and degrade the details of others who are looking to learn and grow, as I am not, along with ridiculing their personal experiences.  When I can demonstrate that I am willing to have an adult conversation with others here and I'm sincere in trying to discuss the issues and add value here then you should respond.



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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Summary (i.e. Ajax)
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:41:47 PM »
I do not think spanking is either mandated or forbidden by the Bible. I'm not 100% sure whether the rod referred to in the Bible is meant as a guidance tool, a comforting tool or a punishment tool, or perhaps a combination of all 3.
We do spank but only for outright defiance/disobedience and lying. We do not ALWAYS spank for those things, but usually do. We never spank without letting our kids be able to predict the consequences of their actions. (ie they know they will get a spanking for doing something before they do it). Spankings do not occur very often in our household. We do lightly swat babies as a training tool.
We stopped spanking around the age of 7 - after that, my personal opinion is that there are other more effective means of disciplinary action that can be used instead. Spanking should never be done in anger.

I do not think parents HAVE to spank in order for their children to turn out well. I do think spanking is the most effective method of discpipline SOME of the time, but not for all children. Different things work for different kids. I think consistency and love in any type of discipiline is the key no matter which type of "punishment" is used - be it spankings, time outs, natural consequences, etc.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Summary (i.e. Ajax)
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:19:15 PM »
The Best Advice to a Family Member...
....of an abused person?

An incident concerning my sister has been troubling me since Friday and though I've surrendered it to the Lord I thought I'd also ask those of you who have escaped from abusive relationships.

I have been a shoulder to cry on for my sister, early in her relationship I was the only family member to confront the abusive man and lost contact with my sister for nearly a year, I was privy to her account of him being in the care of their little one (about two years ago) and him threatening to kill himself where I felt the need to contact a child protection agency and she nearly had a melt down as a result of me conveying what the agency had said. I've given her numbers for refuge shelters which she has not taken up. Our family have offered to pay for a lawyer to sort out their house so that she and my nephew could separate from him. Her response to our offer was that she does not want to lose where she lives and her house and start over again. The one incident on Friday had me hear (on speakerphone) her bf screaming at her to come and fix a soft drink for him. I have never heard a human being scream like that before.

This man has been a diabetic all his life - only when they are together does his diabetes get to a point where his blood sugars drop (when he is working abroad he is fine) and he "loses it". I was at my other sister's house when the phonecall was made. The abused sister had ran into the garden because she said that he had picked up a knife and was coming towards her. My older sister had motioned me over to her and put the conversation on speaker phone and this was when I heard the man angrily screaming at my sister. The abused sister had already called an ambulance prior to the phone call and the paramedics and two police officers finally arrived.

This week, she is still in the environment with my nephew. She has remained with this man since 1992.

I've bounced it off another family member who also works with children and social services and she basically said that social services in the UK are so swamped with more serious cases that they will not bother with a man coming to a woman with a knife and screaming at her. Basically the mother or child would have to be physically hurt - with the knife - before they can intervene!

For those of you who have survived physical and verbal abuse, what advice can you offer?

Do we still stand far off from the situation due to the fact that she would go into denial, defend him and even cut herself off from us if she knew that we got the authorities involved?

Would you suggest we give her more time to do something herself?

Or is it time for us to intervene?

Any advice from those of you who have actually been there would be greatly appreciated.

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Who are toxic people? People who are obviously crazy? Sociopaths? Wife beaters? Drunks? Yes all these people undoubtedly are, but there is a second group who are not so obvious. They poison you with little doses that you are unaware of. Call them emotional vampires or people with personality disorders, they all have the same goal, to use you as a conduit for their own distorted emotional needs.

“Just as harmful viruses require a human host to exist and thrive, so do negative states require the unconscious consent of human beings to carry out their dark mission.”

http://stason.org/articles/life/self...ic-People.html


This is accomplished by projection. An example is when someone hates someone and believes they hated person instead dislikes them. A more twisted form of this is projective identification, where a person takes what they don't like about themselves and subconsciously (or not) induce it into someone, to rid themselves of it. How an emotional vampire works is by using a process called “counter-projection” To quote Jung:


“All projections provoke counter-projection when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject”.

This will cause an obsession of the target with the projector. That is why the vampire always gets the girl in the movies. If you are with someone and afterwards you wonder why you did or said the things you did, you might be in the grip of this.

Is someone trying to put you into an emotional state? Reliving a past negative experience to feed off the pain? Putting others down to establish their own superiority? Do they find no joy in life and need a negative atmosphere to function? It's red flag time.

These are some of the methods they use to accomplish this: blame, shame (makes you question your own sanity before theirs), negating your thoughts and emotions, or drawing you into toxic gossiping and backbiting.

They can pretend to be “just concerned about you”, but the goal is to produce anxiety. They may want you to remain a failure or mediocre all your life, because taking care of your inabilities has become a part of their self-esteem. It varies from person to person, but the bottom line is, you are being manipulated and used and if you don't watch it being made into a co-dependent.

You can find the different type of emotional vampires and the personality disorders they relate to here:

http://www.albernstein.com/id55.htm

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Summary (i.e. Ajax)
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:14:27 PM »
I found it frustrating that our society equates abuse with sexual and physical contact. If there is no bodily sexual contact or violent physical contact - it's not seen as abuse.But all survivors of abuse deal with one main element, the emotional/mental scars.A person can be raped, and beaten....and their bodies can mostly repair the damage.....but it's living with the emotional impact of that abuse that makes it a long time struggle. It's society's way of not speaking about bad or negative things. Unless you have physical wounds you aren't hurt.
In a way our society works with the abusers to hide the emotional and mental impact by denying it's importance. Survivors of abuse are eventually told to 'get over it'. There is supposed to be some deadline for survivors to deal with the abuse. And when abuse comes in a pure mental/emotional form (no sexual or physical attack) - it so much easier for the abuser to hide and or also to deny that it exists. Children can live in a mental prison that their abusive parents create. Much like the elephant being chained to the ground and eventually only requiring a small rope. It's learnt to be submissive and not escape or fight back. That's also why we repress most of the abuse and don't deal with it...because we are taught by the larger world to do that.

The world wants hard working people that read success books and practice positive thinking mantras so they can be good little machine workers. Don't say anything negative, don't talk about the past. Just get over it already. But the impact of the abuse doesn't go away if it's ignored.The worst culprits for denying the emotional/mental impact of our past abuse is ourselves.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 19, 2008, 03:15:59 PM »
I wouldn't call what happened to my daughter a takedown. Her counselors called them interventions, but I personally refer to it as therapy. You don't know how much of a troubled teen my daughter was. I wasn't going to pay $200 an hour for her to manipulate a therapist. I needed real action and someone to stand up to her.


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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 19, 2008, 02:35:36 PM »
Quote from: "CCM girl 1989"
Will the real Who please stand up, please stand up?!!!!!!! :rasta:

Admins blocked my other account and are now impersonating me on my old name. I am the real Who.



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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 19, 2008, 02:33:41 PM »
Looks like the admins are at it again. My "old who" account was hacked and now someone else is "me". All of this effort just because I think my daughter's video resulted with positive results. I have just as much right as you to use free speech to express my opinion. My daughter appreciates all that I have done for her, and laughs about the video now.


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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 19, 2008, 07:56:04 AM »
Ha,Ha,Ha...more conspiracy theories from the trolls. Admins locked my old account for laughing at a video they posted of my daughter. They put the video in my signature now and I can't remove it, so now I see it as a badge of honor. Free speech is not being respected at fornits, they can't win a debate without changing the rules on me.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 18, 2008, 11:28:59 PM »
Ha,Ha,Ha...looks like the trolls have been out in force again.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 18, 2008, 04:57:00 PM »
As many have probably heard, Richard Wright from Pink Floyd passed away recently. Rest in peace, my good man.

We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.


Even Pink Floyd knew that public schools were dangerous, and that programs are safer.  Let's all work on putting "Another Brick in the Wall" of a program, and help support them. We must be vigilant because with programs you don't need just any wall, you need four solid ones.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 18, 2008, 04:52:20 PM »
Quote from: "ADS"
Who, When I first came onto fornits everyone convinced me that I was abused.  I never felt I really was but this is a persuasive bunch of people and until coming here I never knew how broad the term abuse was.  I always thought it was defined in terms of physical, psychological or sexual abuse.  But fornits has taught me that abuse can mean anything we want it to mean, if we “feel “ we were abused then we were!!  If a staff member yelled at me then that means he is abusive towards me and since he works for the program then that means the programs is abusive and since the program is part of an industry then the entire industry must be abusive also.  So it is simple deduction that every member of the Troubled Teen industry is abusive!!  It is so simple I cant believe I never saw it that way before.  Reading here has really opened my eyes.

I am glad your daughter has come around finally.  I heard rumors the 2 of you were not speaking.

You will hear all sorts of nasty rumors about me and my daughter. Don't believe them, they are not true and we get along great now. It's so nice to know that fornits has benefited people as much as you. It really has made my life better too. I used to be bored with life, and had nobody to talk to. But now I wake up refreshed, knowing there will always be someone willing to talk to me on fornits! Even if it's not the most pleasant conversation, I don't mind because any sort of human interaction is better than none at all.
The term abuse can mean whatever you want it to mean, that is the great thing about free speech. You are open to your opinion just as much as I am to mine. As I say this, there are always the people who come back and ask if I support free speech so much, then why do I support programs that control speech in every way. That is a completely different situation, apples and oranges.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Who
« on: September 18, 2008, 03:52:52 PM »
Quote from: "DSA"

It all gets back to that relentless control issue that is so hard for the admins to unhand.  I feel for you who.  Out of all the posters here you are the only one who is continuously harrassed but you stand your ground for fair play and free speech.  I have to hand it to you, just hang in and say what you feel is right.


I always say what I feel is right, and that is why so many people around here take offense to my opinions. I think that all programs are beneficial all the time, and any kid who is saying otherwise is a liar. I know that can sound harsh, but let's not forget the type of kids programs treat, they are all liars, thiefs and manipulators. That's what fornits is, one big manipulation. These kids got so mad someone finally tried to help them, they have created an organized effort to discredit the industry which helped them. Their stories are all very similar, which leads me to believe this website is the work of a small group of dedicated "posers" who act like they were abused. That is why I laugh so much at their outlandish stories, I know they are all just made up. Even my daughter got in on the conspiracy, and posted a video of her receiving treatment. Eventually over time though, I convinced her it was for her own good, and now we have a good relationship.

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