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Aspen Education Group / Charges filed in the death at Youth Care(Aspen Educ Group)
« on: October 12, 2007, 09:37:44 PM »
I'M VERY GLAD THAT SOMEONE IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE THERE ARE TOO MANY SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THAT JUST "GO AWAY" IF THESE PLACES START REALIZING THERE ARE GOING TO BE CONSEQUENCES TO THIER ACTIONS(OR LACK OF ACTION) THAN MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME CHANGE IN THE WAY THEY OPERATE.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: IMPORTANT ! ! ! !
« on: October 11, 2007, 12:03:22 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""MOMMABEAR""
you know at this point the one fact that we should all be able to agree on is this:    the 17 year old child that we are currently talking about had two parents who loved him very much the fact that they had already lost their only other child only increased their desperation to save him. even though the parents may not have agreed on where to get him help they did agree that he needed help. this was a wonderful ,caring and loving young man who did not do drugs was not a bad kid he was just very sad and very unhappy and no body knew how to fix the problem because no one was sure what the problem was. after several threatened and attempted suicides the decision was made for him to go to aspen achievement academy because according to what they advertise they would help him learn what the issues were and how to deal with them while they were keeping him safe from himself and others. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT PART OF THEIR ADVERTISING WAS INCORRECT THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD HELP HIM OR THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD KEEP HIM SAFE??????? I would have to say in my opinion they failed on both parts rather they have helped other kids is not even the question or the point. The point is they failed horribly on this child and now everyone who had ever had the pleasure of knowing him must now suffer for their failure to provide what they advertised. I'm not talking out of my ass i know this child very well. Also parents dont take out loans for thousands of dollars to get their children help if they dont truly believe they are doing the right thing. If they had all of the information before they make these choices then they would also know the risk involved. this will only stop when cases like this stop being swept under the rug so that people know children are being mistreated and dying right under our noses. All of this is happening at the places that are supposed to help them and protect them.

Can ANYONE post a link to any news article about a 2007 suicide at AAA? I cannot find it anywere on the net, only an attempted suicide some years back. I keep seeing posts by Mommabear about a suicide at AAA but I cannot find any proof that it happened. I am trying to help out Pitbull Mom by collecting EVERY news article about EVERY documented abuse or death at EVERY ASPEN program, so she will have it for Youth Care's upcoming licensing hearing in regards to her son's death in June from medical neglect. She has posted on many forums, but very few people have stepped up with documentation that can help. It seems that a lot of people have time to bitch and moan about abuse, but when it comes time to actually DOING something concrete, very few take the time to step up and help with verifiable information that can be used in court.

Come on people - STEP UP TO THE PLATE HERE.  a young boy died. Let's help mom get those bastards.

Psy, if you're reading  this, PLEASE go to Draper.

And everyone PLEASE ignore The Who, it just junks up the threads and keeps people from reading on.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THER WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN ANY OF THE LOCAL PAPERS IN UTAH THERE WAS ONLY THE OBITUARY INOUR LOCAL PAPER IT HAPPENED APRIL 17TH 2007

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The Troubled Teen Industry / PREVENTABLE DEATH AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY
« on: October 11, 2007, 12:00:29 AM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
or give a sworn statement to isaccorp
CAN I DO THAT EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT HIS PARENT

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Aspen Education Group / Suicide at AAA
« on: October 10, 2007, 11:58:33 PM »
SINCE I AM NOT HIS PARENT WHO COULD I CONTACT AND WOULD THEY TALK TO ME I COULD FIND OUT FROM HIS PARENTS ABOUT RELEASING HIS NAME THEY ARE ALREADY AWARE THAT I AM ATTEMPTING TO DIG FOR INFORMATION.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: when did suicide happen at AAA
« on: October 08, 2007, 01:08:40 PM »
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
I'm still searching for information about this event. I need dates, facts.
"event" the suicide at AAA happened in april of 2007

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Aspen Education Group / Re: suicide at AAA in 2007
« on: October 08, 2007, 01:05:36 PM »
Quote from: ""PB Mom""
There was no mention of it in the local paper, .
imagine that

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The Troubled Teen Industry / SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
« on: September 28, 2007, 11:22:54 PM »
THE CHILD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT AAA WAS A GOOD KID THAT HAD ISSUES THAT NO ONE COULD FIGURE OUT OR UNDERSTAND HIS OLDER BROTHER DIED THREE YEARS EARLIER IN A CAR ACCIDENT. THIS MADE HIM HIS PARENTS ONLY LIVING CHILD. HE DID NOT DO DRUGS, HE WENT TO SCHOOL , WAS A GOOD SON AND A GOOD FRIEND .HE JUST NEVER THOUGHT HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH. AFTER SEVERAL THREATENED AND ATTEMPTED SUICIDES HIS PARENTS WERE DESPERATE FOR HELP(like many others).SO THEY TURNED TO THE "EXPERTS" YOU KNOW THE ONES AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY THAT SAID THEY WOULD HELP HIM AND PROTECT HIM . WELL GUESS WHAT THAT IS NOT HOW THIS STORY ENDS BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NEVER KNOW THAT AS LONG AS AAA HAS THEIR WAY ABOUT IT WHEN YOU LOOK THEM UP ON THE WEB ALL YOU WILL SEE IS ALL OF THEIR PROMISES AND FALSE ADVERTISEMENTS . ONLY THE "SUCCESS STORIES" WILL BE TOLD. THEY CERTAINLY WONT TELL THE STORY ABOUT THE AMAZING 17 YEAR OLD BOY THAT THEY WERE "HELPING" AND "PROTECTING" THAT HUNG HIMSELF ON THIER WATCH . THE TRUTH DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE FOR VERY GOOD PUBLICITY DOES IT?????

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Aspen Education Group / why do children committ suicide
« on: September 22, 2007, 11:29:26 PM »
you know at this point the one fact that we should all be able to agree on is this:    the 17 year old child that we are currently talking about had two parents who loved him very much the fact that they had already lost their only other child only increased their desperation to save him. even though the parents may not have agreed on where to get him help they did agree that he needed help. this was a wonderful ,caring and loving young man who did not do drugs was not a bad kid he was just very sad and very unhappy and no body knew how to fix the problem because no one was sure what the problem was. after several threatened and attempted suicides the decision was made for him to go to aspen achievement academy because according to what they advertise they would help him learn what the issues were and how to deal with them while they were keeping him safe from himself and others. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT PART OF THEIR ADVERTISING WAS INCORRECT THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD HELP HIM OR THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD KEEP HIM SAFE??????? I would have to say in my opinion they failed on both parts rather they have helped other kids is not even the question or the point. The point is they failed horribly on this child and now everyone who had ever had the pleasure of knowing him must now suffer for their failure to provide what they advertised. I'm not talking out of my ass i know this child very well. Also parents dont take out loans for thousands of dollars to get their children help if they dont truly believe they are doing the right thing. If they had all of the information before they make these choices then they would also know the risk involved. this will only stop when cases like this stop being swept under the rug so that people know children are being mistreated and dying right under our noses. All of this is happening at the places that are supposed to help them and protect them.

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Aspen Education Group / Aspen Spams Internet with Fear Mongering Blogs
« on: September 19, 2007, 11:58:07 PM »
TOO BAD THERE AREN'T ANY GOOGLE ALERTS STATING HOW MANY CHILDREN ASPEN HAS ABUSED TODAY OR WHICH FACILITIES HAVE HAD CHILDREN DIE WHILE IN THEIR CARE. OH WAIT THEY WOULDN'T WRITE THOSE EITHER.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / PREVENTABLE DEATH AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY
« on: September 15, 2007, 08:15:21 PM »
IM STILL WAITING AND HOPING SOMEONE HAS ANSWERS.PLEASE HELP.

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Open Free for All / PREVENTABLE DEATH AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY
« on: September 15, 2007, 08:12:42 PM »
IM STILL HOPING THAT THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO IS ABLE AND WILLING TO GIVE US SOME ANSWERS. THIS HAPPENED IN APRIL 2007 AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY. PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN.

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Aspen Education Group / T.M.I.
« on: September 15, 2007, 02:52:47 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ignore the who. He talks about respect for privacy but regularly makes reference to his own daughter and claims he molested her. The man belongs in jail

I heard he had his daughter killed and hired someone to molest her.  He is one sicko, he should be banned from posting.

YOU KNOW REGARDLESS OF RATHER ANY OF THAT IS OR IS NOT TRUE IT REALLY DOES NOT SOUND LIKE ITS WORTH TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS DEF. TOO MUCH INFO

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The Troubled Teen Industry / PREVENTABLE DEATH AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY
« on: September 13, 2007, 04:02:49 PM »
THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN THAT COMMITTED SUICIDE AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY IN APRIL OF 2007. I AM INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFO. IF YOU WERE THERE OR KNOW OF SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE AROUND THAT TIME PLEASE POST A REPLY OR SEND ME AN E-MAIL OR PRIVATE MESSAGE WHATEVER YOU ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: THE RUMORS ARE TRUE
« on: September 13, 2007, 03:55:32 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""mommabear""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""MOMMABEAR""
THE RUMORS ARE TRUE A CHILD COMMITTED SUICIDE AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY IN APRIL IF THERE IS ANYONE WITH ANY "insider information" PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE NEED ANSWERS NOT A COVER UP.

If you dig hard enough what you will find is that there is no cover-up but a childs family that would like privacy.  I don’t think placing the childs picture and name on the web would be in the best interest of anyone, I would respect their privacy.

MR."WHO" I DONT THINK AT ANY POINT I HAVE STATED A NAME OR EVEN CONSIDERED POSTING A PICTURE I HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF RESPECTING EVERYONES PRIVACY BUT IF THERE IS NO COVER UP PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY AFTER 4 1/2 MONTHS THERE IS NOTHING ON THE WEB OR ANYWHERE ELSE ABOUT THIS CHILDS PREVENTABLE DEATH. THEY OBVIOUSLY DONT WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW BECAUSE............. WHAT ELSE HAS HAPPENED AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT????????????????????????????????

Sorry, this wasn’t pointed at anyone specific.  But, believe it or not, there are people who get enjoyment out of posting the details of other people’s lives on the web here at fornits, posting pictures of kids who died, posting their names, kids who are trying to start their careers, posting their pictures and poking fun at them and their families.  There are a lot of hateful people out there who do things for the wrong reasons, enjoying spreading the gossip or some other reason.

Families who have a loved one who takes their own life sometimes like to keep it private.  You don’t see the details of suicides in the paper as much as you would a child who died in a car accident or sports injury, for example, some families like to keep it within the immediate family.  So I was just asking for people to exercise a little discretion and respect the families wishes.  My suggestion would be to contact them first and ask if they mind posting their childs name, story and picture on the internet, if that was part of your intent.
 
APOLOGY ACCEPTED.

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