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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 11, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »
...but it doesn't get past the fact that therapeutic boarding schools (at least some of them) lead to good results with a lot of kids.

Please go back a couple of pages and read my post(s)regarding this.  THAYER IS NOT A THERAPEUTIC SCHOOL!  

Sure there's restraint of kids who are bent on self-destruction in the schools I'm talking about, and maybe hard work and emotionally painful passages---sorry if that offends you, sometimes kids need serious limits.

My argument is about neglect & abuse.  If you read the articles NOT written by a money hungry attorney, but actual quotes from the investigation on the boy's death you will find that there is plenty of evidence that he was neglected and abused there.  The "recluse" that bit him was just listed as a probable cause of death.
It is interesting to note that in autopsy not all information; for example: My mother died after suffering with pancreas cancer.  The autopsy report did not say ANYTHING about her terminal illness.  It stated simply that she died of liver failure and emphysema- (sorry- I'm not looking up the medical spellings for any of this stuff).  Anyway, the point is that these "symptoms of death" were in direct correlation to her illness which was NOT mentioned, you get my point I think.  The Reyes boy's investigation has many findings ALONG with the recluse spider bite.  It states clearly that it is probable that if he had been treated that he would not have died, isn't that enough for you?  Also- it is important to note that the fee to send your child to this place is about 4k per month.  They make the kids sleep on the concrete ground in a sleeping bag in a room that DID NOT HAVE screens on the windows therefore spiders abound!  There are so many other things that happen there including not allowing the kids to use the bathroom- is that humane?  My child was refused medical care TWO times also while in this program.  AGAIN- IT IS NOT A THERAPEUTIC PROGRAM- go back to my previous posts to explain why it does not qualify as one.  When you read the investigation you will also find that their medical officer (ms. Dorothy) who is also in charge of the kitchen and has to my knowledge (and per the report) no medical training (with exception to her EXPIRED EMT certificate.  

"I keep getting the sense that there are a lot of people here who are really hostile to being adults. Don't know if you are one of them. But what I do know is that there is a serious negative death-energy that some teens get into--- and it is a blessing when there is a way for them to get out of it. "

I know TWO boys who are in GOOD therapeutic schools.  They have counseling daily, they have open parental contact, they have meds if they need them, they are cared for.  They sleep in beds, they are allowed to use the bathroom when needed, they are allowed to seek medical care when needed, and they are getting an education.
Maybe this is the same kind of place you are talking about.  I believe they exist.  I also understand about the kids/parents and these horrific programs as my child was at TLC, I sent him there, and THANK GOD we knew something was wrong and rescued him.  The stories are endless on what went on there, and after hearing my son and then talking to other kids and parents who we never met, who spanned the time since they opened to present and the stories were SO ALIKE that you could not deny that the kids were telling the truth- you gotta believe them.  Also, again, go back and read the last few posts of mine, you WILL SEE direct quotes from a letter I recevied from the Child Protective Services, if this doesn't open your eyes to the lack of authority they have in that state I don't know what will.  So, as I said in that previous post- send your child to a State where they have jurisdiction so that IF anything does "smell" you can do something about it.

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 09, 2005, 09:05:00 PM »
THANKS FOR TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.  YOU HAVE SAID EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET ACROSS, BUT SINCE IT NOW COMES FROM SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM IT HELPS US TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING AND "GET IT", UNLIKE SOME "OTHERS" THAT CHOOSE TO STAY "SPADED".

THE THING IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THEIR PARENT, YOU JUST HAVE TO CARE ENOUGH TO WANT TO PROTECT THEM FROM EVIL.
GOOD FOR YOU!  Kids need someone they can depend on, so I say thanks from the kids of the parents that don't care enough to do anything about it, or worse- that send their child to an abusive program ON PURPOSE- which does happen too :sad:

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 09, 2005, 12:26:00 PM »
TLC Rescue- My son had the academic problem too.  He wasn't in a gang or anything either, although he was certainly disrespectful and depressed.  I know he was smoking pot, although I tested him for other drugs and he was clean?  He was hanging out with the wrong kids and flunking school- he did tell me about some of the kids there that he was afraid of because they had deeper-serious issues, like they were criminals or were in gangs.  I agree that there is something (lot's of things wrong with TLC!!)
Also- regarding the Nemo thing... He has not answered anyone's ??- and we can bet he never will.  
Did you like his last post where he was talking about hanging out on "different" sights when his wife is at work?  Alot of other childish remarks, lot's framed around the sex theme, so I think the sights are male entertainment ones.  Look at what he said about his son having sex several times a week as a success!  You gotta know he's tweeked.  Don't allow his poison to penetrate you, that what the 'recluse' did to the Reyes boy.

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 08, 2005, 10:22:00 PM »
You are right as far as the academics not being the most important, but it is important overall- and even more so if your kid is 17 and flunking his Jr. year- what happens when he turns 18 and does not have a high school education?  that's not looking good for his employment opportunities, and college, well obviously that would be out of the ??
Again, in our case (and lot's of other kids too) they never got out of bootcamp- did you know that while a kid is in bootcamp they DO NOT GET ANY ACADEMICS AT ALL!!!!  Now, if that were a week, or even a month - but what frequently happens is that the kid is held in bootcamp for well over 100 days(their website estimation of the typical student is much less) or that they move to residency and then get put back into bootcamp.  They are doing good (per your family rep. every week, going to graduate- then something happens, they get moved back- looking good, going to graduate- something happens, gets moved back- this is a typical cycle around there too.  
Anyway- I believe you are the same writer that called Thayer a theraputic program.  They do not have any therapists on staff, and if it is requested it is an additional fee, so it is really NOT a theraputic school.  It is a bootcamp.  A hell hole, and I would not even go as far as calling it a school.  Actually go and see it- I was horrified!  We sent our son there on a recommendation from Parent Help (a company that per our contract was a "third party consulting firm" but happens to be owned by TLC).
We went to the TLC website to see this beautiful building sitting on what appeared to be a green rolling hill and green meadow all around it.  It was simply perfect.  (that was until we realized that they actually took an old picture of the building and put it on a windows backdrop and represented to all the people who went on the sight that it actually looked like that!)  The website has been changed- but I printed it all out and have copies for anyone to see.  We were also highly discouraged to bring our child there and were urged to use a transport service as we were told stories about what could happen if we tried to bring our child and he did not cooperate. Why not let the professionals handle it?  They could help us with that too.  Oh, they forgot to mention that they also own the Transport service, oh, the "third party billing company" 2b Enterprises- they own them too.  Sorry, forgot to tell you all these things when we asked you to sign this huge contract stating that they are basically NOT liable for ANYTHING.
I could go on and on for hours, but- the bottom line is IF they were so reputable why the lies and deception?  Try this out!  Call Parent Help
800-688-8706.  Tell them you have this problem kid, 15 or so, see if they don't refer you to TLC.  Then- see if they tell you that they are affiliated with them.  Also ask them some ?? about their medical procedures, or child saftey record or something- and see if they tell you that a boy died.  They recently deleted question(s) off their FAQ's about "serious injuries" or "deaths", because of course they don't want to have to say YES, so let's just "remove" it.
You check it out for yourself.  Someone we know recently called and tested it out.  They passed the "deception" test real good!
The education is certainly NOT THE MOST important thing- as I said in my last post- IF only 50% of the kids in a program (ANY PROGRAM) were being neglected/abused, or allegations of such were being made as to such- should a parent send their child there.  That's the bottom line ?? that should be answered- and the obvious answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Again, there are good programs out there that are without scandal- (and that IF something should go wrong the authorities have jurisdiction over them)- I believe that parents need to be REALLY careful not to allow desperation to drive them to a decision without a FULL investigation, even if that means by a P.I.
I still like Ginger's suggestion-call around to some major Universities and see what they think.
Or, maybe Nemo will cough up his two or three?!?
NOT, better call around!

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 07, 2005, 11:58:00 PM »
The answer to your question is no, I am not against all theraputic schools.  There is certainly a place for them, and I do work with parents referred to me to try to help them find a good one when that's what they need.  I am not an Education Consultant by trade, just a better educated parent about these programs. After what I went through with Thayer I have a sharper eye for the bull, and know how to ask the right questions of the right people, and do a little background on it all.
Sending your child away to a boarding school is always (or should always be) a last resort.

The people who post (for the most part) on this board are parents of rescued Thayer students.  It's not that we don't believe in the programs- cuz we sent our kid there.  Now, some parents are so scared that they NO LONGER believe that there is a "good" program out there, and they don't even care if there is because their kid is so freaked out now that they don't want to send them away in fear that they might not get them back (like the Reyes boy).

you said: "The people who drive me crazy are the ones who would discard adulthood and just let kids do what they will, like it's all good to throw away their futures and we should all say "Well it's their choice". I won't. Never. "
of course I agree with you- so do most of the other parents on this sight (i know most of them myself).  The ones that don't well- then why are they on this sight in the first place?

You also said: "BTW I don't care about Devlin's grammar or Nemo's refusal to talk about universities (sorry Nemo, I thought you were a mom, I guess you're a dad, my mistake), these seem like small issues, I care about encouraging parents to act like grown-ups-- and I guess that my point is that I don't see enough of them here on this thread."
If you are in fact trying to help another parent decide what they should do with their child then you SHOULD care about the academic aspect of the program- unless of course a good education doesn't matter.  Now, you will notice that Nemo posted AGAIN after our posts and STILL DID NOT NAME the Universities.  It is important because many of us have been told that it is worthless, and that the universities will not accept it.  I wouldn't KNOW first hand BECAUSE MY SON did not get ANY CREDITS from them- ask around how many kids did- and if they actually got accepted to a University, WHICH ONES??????????????????????????
Something else to note about Nemo was that he considered his son well adjusted because he was getting A's AND LAID SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK.
Is that a parent acting like a grown-up?
Want to know what Nemo is going to do when the son that he is so proud of for his active sex life contracts some lifetime STD, or gets a girl pregnant, or worse- gets AIDS.  Then he will really have something to deal with.  
I also care about the stuff going on at Thayer and other schools like it because it is wrong, and kids are being neglected, abused and in some instances killed.  No matter how bad a child is they do not deserve to be treated like that.
I've said my peace here.  Hope that it's clear.

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 07, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
First, where are the post's from Perri and Amanda? I would like to read them!
Second,I have read through every post and have not found people who are calling you or Nemo, or any other person claiming no abuse a liar.  We are simply saying that ALL of our children either were abused or neglected, or saw children who were.  And as TLC Rescue points out- the fact that some kids are abused/neglected should be enough for any parent to decide that there may be a better program out there for their child.  That's the point we have been trying to make.  Unfortunately there is so much other jargon we can't stay on the point.
All I have been trying to ask Nemo is to verify his claims about TLC's academics by telling us the universities- HAVE you noticed that he has never answered that ?? that I posed several times. Because this is a BIG issue it is the only one I kept trying to get an answer to.  NEVER DID!!
We never accused him of lying about his son's experience there (lack of abuse/neglect)- we only wondered if it mattered that it does happen.  Again, even if our posts here don't matter- read the news articles about the Reye's boys death investigation.  It is CLEAR that he DID NOT receive prompt medical care from TLC- even if they have not decided whether charges will be filed or not-that should be enough to lift an eyebrow.  
Also, no one was claiming that they are a victim, that we were perfect parents, that our kids were "good" kids, or any of those other attacks made against us.  Ginger never said that either.  Devlin has not been in a school to my knowledge, he is just a good ol'guy advocating against abusive schools.  Somehow all of us have been "slammed".  So what if someone does not have the same English level as you do, that doesn't mean that he does not have a heart, or a brain.  So what if Ginger was placed in one of these schools, it doesn't make her less of a human being, or a US citizen, or a grown-up.  There are some very good parents who have raised some really bad kids, there are an equal number of parents who are really bad parents who have raised some really good kids.  I don't think that we need to attack people's character.  The only point I was trying to make about being a parent was just that.  I don't care who the parent is, if they knowingly send children to a school where there is alleged abuse going on- even if it's only to 1/2 the population- there is something wrong with them.  That is basically saying that 1/2 the population doesn't "matter".   The point again is that all kids matter, and that we did not send them there to be abused/neglected, or to witness such, we sent them there to be helped.
I was also criticized about my comment about Child Protective Services.  It is TRUE what I said.  Read the Reyes report, listen to the TLC rescue mom who's son's ankle was broken, listen to my son who saw kid's "dropped" to the ground, who was sick and was refused medical treatment, and so many others.  Lot's listed on the Isac website.  Go check it out and then let us know if these claims were against a school (even if they weren't PROVEN)- would you send your child there? And, if you "allegedly" did any of these things to your child would you be arrested?  That's the question.  Now, regarding being "proven"- let me explain what is currently going on in Missouri with the Dept. of Social Services.  I will QUOTE part of their response from a letter I received from them regarding a claim I had made against TLC.  I will use the name "John Doe" for all victims to protect their identity.
AND I QUOTE:
"Administration at Thayer Learning Center was asked to provide any medical information for "John Doe" and asked to allow us to speak with students and staff who might have had information regarding the allegations.  The only information received was that they dispose of all information about students when they leave the facility.  There is no available evidence to support a Probable Cause finding therefore the finding is Unsubstantiated.
It was alleged a black student with the last name of "Doe" was physically abused by staff members of Thayer Learning Center.  When the request was made, at the facility, for information about a student with this name, staff said they had multiple black males with the last name of "Doe" and we were not allowed to speak with any student.  There was no response to a letter to Thayer Administration requesting identifying information and requesting the opportunity to speak with other students and staff.  This hotline is coded Unable to Locate based on the fact we were not able to identify the alleged victim."
END OF QUOTE

So, basically if TLC decides not to "cooperate" (which they did in this case)- there is nothing that the Dept. of Social Serv. can do.
How does that sit with you?  Doesn't sit with me AT ALL!!

As far as the "industry" as a whole- we are not bashing it, we are only talking about our own experiences with the ones that proved to US to be bad choices.
Again, we sent our son to another program after TLC. So, it's not about "all programs" - you just happen to be on this "topic" where we believe this school is.

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Thayer Learning Center / Thayer Learning Center in Kidder MO
« on: May 05, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
If you have done any kind of research on google you have read the articles about the death of the boy.  The Isac website also has copies of all of the articles including the latest ones which say that IF the boy would have received proper medical care he probably would not have died.
If you are still thinking about sending your child there, regardless of anything else that anyone has to say- Positive or Negative then you need your head examined! (or you just don't care what happens to your child)

PS- to everyone else that may be thinking of replying to this e-mail, a friend of mine replied to a "similar" e-mail on an EZ board over a year ago.  She soon found out  :eek: that the person was a "plant"- and she began to be threatened about a lawsuit for slander and other stuff- SO BE CAREFUL!  Trust NO ONE AROUND HERE EXCEPT FOR THOSE OF US YOU KNOW.

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 05, 2005, 10:34:00 PM »
some people- apparently YOU included just don't care what goes on at TLC, or other's like it.  I have spoken with some of you- it's very sad.  We are not crazy people- and you should be careful about broad statements like that.  Most of us are caring parents who bought deception out of desperation to HELP our kids- we put them in harms way.  We are trying to make a difference here- not just complain about the past- but change the future.  NO DOUBT some kids need programs- but, they also need to be safe, non-abusive, and effective.  There ARE SOME OUT THERE- I sent my son to one AFTER I rescued him from  TLC.  The Child Protective services would arrest any of us if we did any of these things to our kids that TLC did.  But, they are somehow above the law.  We are NOT going to sit back and take it, and this board is just ONE WAY we are SPEAKING OUT. We are not gonna stop until they- TLC and every other program that abuses and neglects kids is gone.  
You, Nemo and the other "parents" that think that this treatment is ok have a problem.  And, I use that term "parents" very loosley.  Just because you make a child doesn't mean you are fit to be their parent.
We care about our kids, and your kids,and all the kids out there that are/or have been mistreated.  That's what we are about- that's what we've always been about, and that's what we will always be about- so stop trying to make it about anything else!

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 05, 2005, 12:54:00 PM »
NEMO- YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!!
I specifically said that you DON'T need to even tell us where your son is, only the "other two" universities that he applied to, which would IN NO WAY identify him.  
You skirted the issue.  Whew... I am getting really tired of this game.
There are other things in your last 2 posts I would like to address, but then I know you will NOT ADDRESS this- AND ONLY THIS issue.
Then we can move on to the "other stuff"

COME ON NEMO- WHAT UNIVERSITIES ACCEPTED TLC DIPLOMA AND CREDITS!!!??????!!!!!!

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: May 05, 2005, 10:00:00 AM »
OK NEMO- SAME ?? for the third or forth time- JUST ANSWER IT- NO OTHER JARGON- JUST THE ANSWER.

WHAT THREE UNIVERSITIES ACCEPTED THEIR DIPLOMA?

if you don't want to include the University your son is in FINE- just give us the other two.
DO NOT SKIRT THIS ISSUE- answer the ??

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: April 30, 2005, 02:23:00 PM »
P.S.- Capt Nemo- You are not "my friend" :exclaim: .

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: April 30, 2005, 12:00:00 PM »
Hey Ginger,
I am beginning to feel the same way about this "Nemo" character as you.  Seems to be attacking everything/everyone but the issues and ?? raised.
Thought if maybe I replied to him without emotion and without appearing as though I was "attacking" him that he might come clean and back up his claims about his/his son's TLC experience.  Then maybe we could all come to the conculsion that there was PERHAPS one child that they actually helped.
Seems that I was wrong...
Very telling I would say!

I also wanted to address something that has been really troubling me.  There was this kid that was at TLC the same time my son was there.  My son told me about him when we rescued him.  My son said that he was being medically neglected, and his Fam. Rep. was trying to get him seen by a Dr., ended up calling the authorities over it, and she got fired.  I read an article months ago where this parent was talking about their kid going to TLC, how their Fam. Rep. called them and said there was a problem and that they were glad they did not listen to her because now their son is doing so great, at a new school, etc.Now, I recently heard about this employee who's story sounds like the exact same kid (down to the medical problem the kid had).  I read the article to my son and asked him about this kid- "didn't he ever witness the abuse my son saw, or anything?"  my son told me that HE DID see the other kid(s) abused, and that he also was involved in many of the other stories my son had told me about.  I say all this just to show that either the boy DID NOT WANT tell his parents the whole truth, or that maybe because the boy went from TLC to another school the parents just don't know, maybe they never asked, I don't know, but there is obviously a big difference in the stories. I know that my son was telling the truth because NOW I have read it in a newspaper article straight from the parents, that they were glad they left their son there and did not listen to the rep, and then saw it specifically on the Isac website, and also got it confirmed from another source.  
i also know another parent that can not get his son to talk about his experience at TLC at all.  The kid is scared and very angry.  
So, it is interesting how some parents just don't know the truth, maybe they don't want to know- and, maybe Capt. Nemo is one of those parents?!

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: April 30, 2005, 10:41:00 AM »
Oh Capt. Nemo-
You OBVIOUSLY are part of the whole TLC scheme.  Maybe even the Bundy's themselves.  You KNOW that I was not saying that the information contained here is not legitimate, only that some of the "raw" emotions may make a person "appear" to be irrational.  If you (or anyone else) reads through all of my posting(s) they will see exactly what I intended to say.  I think it is VERY INTERESTING that you THINK you have found a way to discredit me (and everyone else) who posts on this sight.  Again, you sound more and more like a Bundy at every post.
I believe the thing I (and the other people who post on this sight)- Most of which I KNOW, by more than just their posting here, and HIGHLY RESPECT find MOST interesting is that you refuse to tell us WHAT 3 UNIVERSITIES your son applied to, and where he was in fact accepted to.  This is perhaps the MOST TELLING of all you have said.

The statements I made about the "legitimate" sights were specific to- NON EMOTION, and here is the quote from my last post: "Finally, to send parents to this forum is certainly fuel for your fire. I agree that some of the parents and former students act inappropriately. Again, I am not making excuses for them, but I do understand that this is the only forum they have to vent. Much of the press, politicians and media do not care about our stories- so this forum allows the things to be said, sometimes in their "raw" form.
It is certainly NOT the place that a person who wanted parents to have an "educated decision" to be sent."
Again, I like the way you try to "twist" what I said into making it "appear" that our posts are not legitimate- because I used that word doesn't negate everything else I said.  
Your TRUE identity is shining through! We call you an obvious "fly on the wall" - and I, nor any of these other intelligent people are falling for your smoke screen!
We may have been blinded by a lie when we sent our children to TLC, but we RESCUED them and are not falling for any more of them.
SMELL LIKE A BUNDY TO ANYONE ELSE AROUND HERE??

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: April 29, 2005, 06:46:00 PM »
Capt. Nemo, GRANTED some of the ?? I asked are personal, so I will remove them from the ?? I asked. I do however still have some legitimate ??  that will in no way reveal your (or your son's) idenity, and would further give your claims accountability.  Please answer them:

WHAT 3 UNIVERSITY'S DID YOUR SON APPLY TO, AND WHERE DID HE END UP GOING? this IS an important ?? as the MANY, MANY universities I checked into said that their "diploma" was worthless and unacceptable.Capt. Nemo, can you pleae answer the following questions:

WHAT 3 UNIVERSITY'S DID YOUR SON APPLY TO, AND WHERE DID HE END UP GOING?

WHAT WERE THE DATES THAT YOUR SON ATTENDED TLC?

HOW OLD WAS HE AT THAT TIME?

WHAT STATE DO YOU RESIDE IN?

and, if you are so brave to recommend TLC to prospective parents, would you be so brave to reveal your identity on this forum?

I DO NOT WISH TO ATTACK YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. MAYBE YOU ARE FEELING ATTACKED- YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE (PARENTS OF FORMER STUDENTS) ARE OUTRAGED BY THIS SCHOOL BECAUSE ALL OF OUR CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ABUSED, NEGLECTED, OR HAVE SEEN OTHERS BEING ABUSED AND NEGLECTED. THE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES HANDS ARE TIED, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS- UNTIL FINALLY....
A BOY DIED!!! It was not an innocent death, and further they (TLC) is still trying to "hide" it.

My last question to you is:
WHEN YOU TALK TO PARENTS INTERESTED IN TLC DO YOU MENTION THAT ALTHOUGH YOUR SON DID WELL, AS IS DOING WELL, THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH OTHER PARENTS, INCLUDING A DEATH THAT HAPPENED? OR DO YOU AT LEAST SUGGEST THAT THEY DO A "GOOGLE" SEARCH ON TLC AND THE BUNDY'S? or
WHAT ABOUT SUGGESTING THAT THEY GO TO THE ISAC WEBSITE FOR FURTHER REVIEW OF THE SCHOOL.
HOW ABOUT LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THE BUNDY'S ARE RESIDENTS OF ST. GEORGE UTAH (AT LEAST THEY WERE AS OF A YEAR AGO), AND THAT THEY HAVE (OR HAD) OFFICE SPACE IN THE WWASPS OFFICE IN UTAH. HOW ABOUT THAT JOHN BUNDY AND ROBERT LICHFIELD ARE LONG STANDING BUDDIES.
DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WERE REFERRED TO TLC BY PARENT HELP THAT TLC OWNERS ARE ONE IN THE SAME? DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY HAVE ASKED TLC FOR AN ESCORT REFERENCE THAT THEIR SON (ISAAC) IS THE OWNER THEY WILL RECOMMED?
HOW ABOUT JUST GIVING THEM ANY OF THIS INFO.?? DO YOU DO THAT?? (ALONG WITH YOUR GLOWING REVIEW OF COURSE!)

Food for thought... it is only fair that they get the whole picture!

WHAT WERE THE DATES THAT YOUR SON ATTENDED TLC? I'm not looking for exact dates, just approximations- like summer of 2003- or whatever!

HOW OLD WAS HE AT THAT TIME? Seems to make a big difference the age of these kids when they are in the program, for example my son was 17. (only there for 4 LONG months) :question:  :question:  :question:

Finally, to send parents to this forum is certainly fuel for your fire.  I agree that some of the parents and former students act inappropriately.  Again, I am not making excuses for them, but I do understand that this is the only forum they have to vent.  Much of the press, politicians and media do not care about our stories- so this forum allows the things to be said, sometimes in their "raw" form.
It is certainly NOT the place that a person who wanted parents to have an "educated decision" to be sent.  You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, so I know that you understand this statemtent to be true.  So again, I would like to ask that you consider actually sending them to a ligitimate sight with legitimate information, again- like a google search that will tell them about the death of the Reyes boy and the sitings/findings of the investigation, like the Isac sight, or some other search that will give them the full picture.  and I also leave on the same request as on my previous post, which IF TLC and the Bundy's "Other" ventures are on the up and up then there should be no problem divulging their "connection":

DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WERE REFERRED TO TLC BY PARENT HELP THAT TLC OWNERS ARE ONE IN THE SAME? DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY HAVE ASKED TLC FOR AN ESCORT REFERENCE THAT THEIR SON (ISAAC) IS THE OWNER THEY WILL RECOMMED?
HOW ABOUT JUST GIVING THEM ANY OF THIS INFO.?? DO YOU DO THAT?? (ALONG WITH YOUR GLOWING REVIEW OF COURSE!)
PLEASE ANSWER THE SPECIFIC ????????

Food for thought... it is only fair that they get the whole picture!

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: April 27, 2005, 05:58:00 PM »
Capt. Nemo, can you pleae answer the following questions:

WHAT 3 UNIVERSITY'S DID YOUR SON APPLY TO, AND WHERE DID HE END UP GOING?

WHAT WERE THE DATES THAT YOUR SON ATTENDED TLC?

HOW OLD WAS HE AT THAT TIME?

WHAT STATE DO YOU RESIDE IN?

and, if you are so brave to recommend TLC to prospective parents, would you be so brave to reveal your identity on this forum?

I DO NOT WISH TO ATTACK YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.  MAYBE YOU ARE FEELING ATTACKED- YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE (PARENTS OF FORMER STUDENTS) ARE OUTRAGED BY THIS SCHOOL BECAUSE ALL OF OUR CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ABUSED, NEGLECTED, OR HAVE SEEN OTHERS BEING ABUSED AND NEGLECTED.  THE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES HANDS ARE TIED, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS- UNTIL FINALLY....
A BOY DIED!!!  It was not an innocent death, and further they (TLC) is still trying to "hide" it.

My last question to you is:
WHEN YOU TALK TO PARENTS INTERESTED IN TLC DO YOU MENTION THAT ALTHOUGH YOUR SON DID WELL, AS IS DOING WELL, THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH OTHER PARENTS, INCLUDING A DEATH THAT HAPPENED?  OR DO YOU AT LEAST SUGGEST THAT THEY DO A "GOOGLE" SEARCH ON TLC AND THE BUNDY'S?  or
WHAT ABOUT SUGGESTING THAT THEY GO TO THE ISAC WEBSITE FOR FURTHER REVIEW OF THE SCHOOL.
HOW ABOUT LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THE BUNDY'S ARE RESIDENTS OF ST. GEORGE UTAH (AT LEAST THEY WERE AS OF A YEAR AGO), AND THAT THEY HAVE (OR HAD) OFFICE SPACE IN THE WWASPS OFFICE IN UTAH.  HOW ABOUT THAT JOHN BUNDY AND ROBERT LICHFIELD ARE LONG STANDING BUDDIES.  
DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WERE REFERRED TO TLC BY PARENT HELP THAT TLC OWNERS ARE ONE IN THE SAME?  DO YOU ALSO TELL THEM THAT IF THEY HAVE ASKED TLC FOR AN ESCORT REFERENCE THAT THEIR SON (ISAAC) IS THE OWNER THEY WILL RECOMMED?
HOW ABOUT JUST GIVING THEM ANY OF THIS INFO.?? DO YOU DO THAT?? (ALONG WITH YOUR GLOWING REVIEW OF COURSE!)

Food for thought... it is only fair that they get the whole picture!

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