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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: Rachel Uchitel, Cedu Celebrity, NY It Girl, Tiger Woods, etc
« on: March 29, 2010, 12:01:45 PM »
I think what everybody seems to be forgetting here is that Rachel was as much a victim of Cedu as any of us were.  Just because a student there bought into the Cedu religion hook, line, and sinker, doesn't mean that they weren't also a victim.

In fact, they were MORE SO a victim, and their struggles after CEDU coming to terms with "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED THERE TO ME?" must have been much, much wors those of us who were able to hold a secret place inside us where we knew it was all b.s., and that we were just playing the game so we could get back home and do our time as smoothly as possible.

Rachel had terrible issues with her father, and Guy simply took advantage of it.  Remember- HE WAS THE ADULT.  SHE WAS JUST A CHILD.

Obviously, she still hasn't sorted it all out, but I don't hate or feel any animosity to her for it.  Yeah...she "blew me away" a few times there...I could care less nowadays.  Even today, she's still a victim of CEDU, because bottom line- SHE DIDN'T GET THE HELP SHE SHOULD HAVE AS A damaged teenager.  Rather, they REINFORCED the concepts of looking to damaged older men.  In Rachel's, mind, she must still think as a child, to be going with all these rotten men.  She just needs some help....and I'm sorry she never got it.  I don't want to tear her down...as CEDU would have taught us to do.  Rather, I'd just tell her- sorry, you've had such a rough go.  We all have.  Hope you can figure it all out.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / New to Forum- Looking to hear from old staff and students.
« on: July 30, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »
You're a good man, Sabro.  I've found that although I was pretty much always consciously out of agreement, and in my mind, while I was there, I had a place to retreat in- that was only mine, and that I never revealed.  Kept my sanity that way, somehow, I guess.

But, I still find, my own words can be poison.  Is  that leftover from CEDU?

And I find that I think in absolutes.  Did I learn that there, too?  And I struggle to unlearn it.

I reflect, also- and often.  Always doing moral inventories- but I didn't learn that there.  CEDU's inventories were always delusional and manipulated and contrived.  Always shaped to fit into what "they" thought you should think or feel about who you were.

(NO, I'm not in any kind of 12 step group and never would be- its just not for me.)

Now, I believe in giving someone enough rope...to build a bridge- or hang themself.  And giving a man the dignity to make his own mistakes.

Maybe, I'm more pessimistic then you, and my thinking is maybe more dialectic.  Rather than trying to make CEDU correct, I'd rather see the idea behind it destroyed.

Poor Luke- I remember him well.

As far as Russ goes- I've done what I can.  I've reported it to the authorities and they claimed to be investigating it.  I tried to round up support on this site, but most people here are only out to find help for THEMSELVES, and that became obvious to me, so I haven't been here much.  I didn't come here to get help, I came here to help.  And in doing so, I got more than what I needed, in return.

I remember when Kevin's group foolishly bushwacked to find a shortcut.  Poor Sabro had to follow them, hiding in the bushes!  

Funny that CEDU was set-up originally for Heroin addicts. I only ever experimented with drugs before going to CEDU, but recieved NO real help or guidance or plan for how to stay off drugs after leaving.  With no recovery program at all, I don't completely blame CEDU of course, but after leaving CEDU within 2 1/2 years I was a heroin addict and struggled with it for nearly 8 years.  (I've been clean now for over 3 years, so don't worry, but yeah when we corresponded before I was deep into it.)

God, its great to hear that you're the same Sabro.    

What kind of car?  I'm a machinist and welder, but as far as motors go, I rebuilt my entire motorcyle engine with all new components in a 23 year old bike, (bragging a little, pardon me) but I'm not very good with cars.  If you need one off custom parts made from billet, I can help you- I do that all the time.

Take it easy.  (You wouldn't believe who my soon to be wife is)  P.M. me, and I'll tell you.  She's the best girl in the world.[ This Message was edited by: CEDU IS A CULT on 2005-07-30 08:13 ][ This Message was edited by: CEDU IS A CULT on 2005-07-30 08:14 ]

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / New to Forum- Looking to hear from old staff and students.
« on: July 29, 2005, 11:30:00 AM »
Hey Sabro. Its me- Bryan, I had a really rough time after leaving. I'm doing very well now. 2 kids, engaged to be married, General Manager of an Aerospace machine shop, considering a new home in Temecula or Murrieta. Life's mostly good.

Still have that bike, but I chopped the front, made a custom swinger my self spending only $100 on Steel- machined I think 26 different components and welded it all up at 47 degrees with a 75 inch wheelbase and strutted it hardtail. You wouldn't recognize the bike anymore! Now, I ride mostly dirt, and only 2 strokes on the street.

I think when I talked to you it was about 4 years ago. Take care, and good luck. You and Luke were about the only staff their I could ever look back on fondly.

CEDU is a cult, not a school.

I am disgusted now- being 29 years old and a father of two, and I consider myself a good man.

Do a search on this site. A lot of the people you know are DEAD from suicide.

Sasheen, Rory, Beau- and there's more. My little brother from their killed himself. I don't even recall his name. They were failed and their adolescence raped by CEDU.

I'm disgusted, that people like you, SABRO- good men like yourself could ever remain on social terms with men and women like GUY BONNANO, or RUSS DECKER, or DONNA DILLMAN, after what YOU KNOW they made kids do and go through!

I regret I ever thought you were a stand-up guy.

You're just a complacent, common, spineless man.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Jackson Nash 92-95
« on: March 09, 2005, 01:46:00 PM »
I'm an old friend.  E'mail me at [email protected] if you want- I have to stay anonymous, I'll tell you why.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Mike D.
« on: January 25, 2005, 03:06:00 PM »
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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Just wondering...
« on: January 19, 2005, 11:04:00 AM »
I was just exploring one of the worst memories at CEDU.

I remember in the SUMMIT (6 day workshop) Rudy was playing some crazy loud music. He had paired us all off with our best friends. My partner was a guy named Sean.

He started giving the same old speech he'd been pounding into our heads over the last 2 days- screaming into our ears "Do NOT hold back!! You MUST give 100 percent for this to work! Don't rip yourself off by not going ALL the WAY!!" It was all very intense and we were buying it hook line and sinker.

Then we paired off and I was instructed to bring my right hand back as far as I could. On the count of 1...2...3...and the word commence- I was to strike Sean as hard as I could slapping him in the face. (I guess he was trying to say this was how we treat eachother)

I was fucking in a panic. I didn't want to hit my best friend, but everyone else was prepped and ready to do it. We were all panicking and scared shitless. I had heard rumours from older students that the Summit had a really insane moment- but to trust Rudy and do whatever he says because it was worth it!

Was I really going to have to strike my buddy?

So here came the countdown to the mental mind fuck.

1...2...3.......................(Noooooooo!!!!!)

"give your partner a hug."


Okay, so you're saying no harm, no foul.

Wrong. I swear to you and I really believe I speak for most of us that were there. If Rudy had said commence, with no doubt in my mind, I would have struck Sean with ALL my might.

And I knew it, too. I knew right then, that Rudy had me and all the others.

I knew the power they had even over me.

I went up to my dorm and had a cigarette. It was crazy.
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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Perverted CEDU Staff we know and love
« on: January 19, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »
I can personally vouche for Son of Serbia.  I was there with him for 1 1/2 years.

They never broke him.  And I respected, and still respect him for it.  Not many people can honestly say that- but I was there.  Son of Serbia never broke for a second.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Stuff that annoys the shit out of me!
« on: January 18, 2005, 03:27:00 PM »
I was just exploring one of the worst memories at CEDU.

I remember in the SUMMIT (6 day workshop) Rudy was playing some crazy loud music. He had paired us all off with our best friends. My partner was a guy named Sean.

He started giving the same old speech he'd been pounding into our heads over the last 2 days- screaming into our ears "Do NOT hold back!! You MUST give 100 percent for this to work! Don't rip yourself off by not going ALL the WAY!!" It was all very intense and we were buying it hook line and sinker.

Then we paired off and I was instructed to bring my right hand back as far as I could. On the count of 1...2...3...and the word commence- I was to strike Sean as hard as I could slapping him in the face. (I guess he was trying to say this was how we treat eachother)

I was fucking in a panic. I didn't want to hit my best friend, but everyone else was prepped and ready to do it. We were all panicking and scared shitless. I had heard rumours from older students that the Summit had a really insane moment- but to trust Rudy and do whatever he says because it was worth it!

Was I really going to have to strike my buddy?

So here came the countdown to the mental mind fuck.

1...2...3.......................(Noooooooo!!!!!)

"give your partner a hug."


Okay, so you're saying no harm, no foul.

Wrong. I swear to you and I really believe I speak for most of us that were there. If Rudy had said commence, with no doubt in my mind, I would have struck Sean with ALL my might.

And I knew it, too. I knew right then, that Rudy had me and all the others.

I knew the power they had even over me.

I went up to my dorm and had a cigarette. It was crazy.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Stuff that annoys the shit out of me!
« on: January 18, 2005, 03:26:00 PM »
CEDU taught us to be bigoted assholes and that's why people don't like CEDUites.

No one likes to hang out with someone who inherently feels superior to others.

And anyone who went there knows that CEDU taught us that some people are inherently better then others. Remember how older students were compared to younger students. Then, by going through all the profeets, they convinced you that you were inherently superior (giant) to all humanity!- Not because of selfless altruistic acts or feats of human greatness, but just because you believe the CEDU religion.

The only thing missing at CEDU is the philosophy that if you don't believe- you're going to hell.

Now imagine being non-religious and having to hang out all the time with a Catholic who constantly thinks they are better then you and you are going to hell?

Help me lord CEDU, my lord and saviour. Forgive my sins. Oh thank you CEDU! I'll worship you forever!!

Fuck CEDU in the fucking neck and fuck all who support CEDU in the fucking neck and yeah that includes Ottawa 2 and 5, Cedualumni.com, and the anonymous troll. If you're so stupid that it takes this long to explain it to you, then fuck off. We've explained plenty to you and you still don't get it. I guess you never will or never want to.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Open your eyes CEDU !!
« on: January 16, 2005, 11:42:00 PM »
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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Perverted CEDU Staff we know and love
« on: January 16, 2005, 11:40:00 PM »
Russ Decker (CEDU running springs lead staff member until he quit about 2 months ago)- Gang raped a helpless girl...  Just for kicks, he and his buddys poured gasoline all over a homeless guy- and LIT HIM ON FIRE!!

Steve Laird (Cedu running springs current staff) Molested a few young girls.

Yes- they admitted to this in profeets and rap sessions.  AND THEY ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO HELP US?  JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Stuff that annoys the shit out of me!
« on: January 16, 2005, 02:36:00 AM »
But you're right.  That's all anyone did there at CEDU- yell and scream and fight and brutalize eachother.  Then fucking kiss, jerk eachother off, and make-up.

And we are perfect examples of what we were taught.  Its sad.  But unfortunately, this still is how I interact with others when I'm angry.  And I don't like it at all.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Jackson Nash 92-95
« on: January 13, 2005, 11:20:00 AM »
Vicki, I remember all those people.  I hope they're all doing okay.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Jackson Nash 92-95
« on: January 13, 2005, 10:12:00 AM »
I saw John Davidson, once near Los Angeles CA.  I remember David Olshansky- he ran my fulltime even though I used to be his dormhead.  Cristina Bernal was one tough chick.  The good old days...

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Jackson Nash 92-95
« on: January 13, 2005, 10:10:00 AM »
Beau Riddle was the most talented pianist I've ever heard.  I'll never forget hearing him play the "Revolutionary Etude" by Frederick Chopin.

I had a crush on Sassheen.  I remember telling her how cute I though it was when girls wore ponytails, and I remember her wearing one all the time, and I remember kissing her on the top of her head the day I graduated.  I'm sad to hear about it.

Mark Lungren was my buddy.  I remember I left him my set of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.  He was a big guy, with a really big heart.  Damn!

Rory Rudy was my little brother there.  He was a great kid.  I know he's missed.

Very sad news, Jackson.  I'm really sad to hear about that.

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