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Sounds to me like another misquote...Ken said what???

Anyone that reads newspapers and magazines or watches news reports can see that it's all about selling stories, not about the truth.  Too bad.  Many reporters could make a huge impact in more positive ways than writing stories that could eventually kill teens beceause the parents believed the crap the reporters wrote and didn't get effective help.

My opinion of the ?These people who want to stop all the progress because they have all the answers are wackos. They are just out of control,? Kay said."... is:  He wasn't saying that all the doctors, etc, were wackos. I read it as he was saying the ones that don't know the truth are just blindly believing reports like ISAC, or other slam sights (like this one) and not talking with even a few of the hundreds of families that had positive results. All they want to do is save their drug prescribing practices...

 If they put out a message to these families, they would be happy to talk and Not the ones handpicked by Ken Kay or other program executives.

I know what post partum depression feels like.  I know what it felt like for me.  I don't know what it felt like for Brooke  Shields.  

If a doctor doesn't know what it feels like and can only make a educated "guess" then the doctor will prescribe drugs to mask the symptoms while
the symptoms are being looked at or talked about with a friend, a psychologist, etc.

There are many other options besides drugs to mask the symptoms - like bio feedback, NLP, hypnosis../ these and more other ways can make a huge difference pretty quickly.

Unfortunately for most of America, we want a quick fix and popping a pill or two is the accepted answer - the others are a quicker fix, but last longer.

I'm happy to say that I am not an advocate of quick fixes including drugs.  Sometimes the hardest thing is to do it ourselves and not depend on drugs.  

Cross Creek is not an advocate of the quick fix drug answer either.  They will get the kids off the ADD meds asap so they can begin to make some life long changes depending on themselves, not the drugs - just had to throw that in cuz I hear how some people think they drug the kids - so not true.

On 2005-07-12 13:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Thanks, but I meant the initial sales pitch. What did they offer you to make you think it was worth the money and other commitments involved in shipping your son to them?

I don't remember hearing any promises.  I did hear we would get out of it what we put into it and there were no guarantees.

For any of you that watched Tom Cruise on NBC last week, HOORAY for him!  

Instead of Matt Lauer defending those that choose psychotropic drugs, Matt would have better served the world by asking Tom about what to do instead of drugging our kids.  

Now Matt Lauer is all butt hurt and even made a snide remark about Tom this morning while introducing the movie.  

Poor Poor Matt... Where in the World is Matt Lauer?

On 2005-05-26 13:33:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-05-25 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


Right here Antigen. I'm a parent, yes. What is a referal agent? SOmeone that talks about Cross Creek to parents who are already looking for help? I do that on occasion.

And do you take referral fees?

None of Nature's landscapes are ugly so long as they are wild.
-- John Muir

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Only if a parent admits their child and I took the time to have information sent to them.  I don't look for troubled parents, so I rarely talk with any - once there was an admission and I refused the fee and turned it over to that parent to help with the admission cost.  I'm glad I was able to help both emotionally and with the little bit of money I could.  Even if I accepted the fee there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Copper Canyon Academy is one of the Aspen Education Group -

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &forum=9&8

However - I'm so happy to see that at least one newspaper is printing a positive story about troubled teen boarding schools.  Aspen Education Group oversees  schools, just like WWASPS oversees schools.  Each school is more than likely independently owned.  

The one thing that was a red flag for me in the newspaper article is that the family stays in contact with the therapists after they leave any of those 30 schools.  Therapy for me says that something is still broken or still needs to be dealt with. By the time a graduate of, say cross creek, graduates, those issues have been dealt with, both the kids and the family.  

WWASPS offers transition family coaching so when the family is back together they work on
communication and goals and values.   I know there are some instances where therapy is still necessary, but does Aspen offer the coaching which is crucial, in my opinion?  I can't imagine having gone through a program and not have this option for a few months.

On 2005-04-29 13:37:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"I'm a dominant (I'm a male) because my GF gets off on being able to trust someone to boss her around and say dirty words to her. I dont TAKE CONTROL from her. Its a game, have you heard of those before? Besides, she has a safeword.



Sheesh. You're confusing sex and fun with controlfreak assholes who run programs and TORTURE people with someone whose trying to make his girl happy. Good god, you're either dense or just warped.




Besides, I'm really only doing what she wants me to do. Its a turnon for someone to 'control her' even though she knows shes safe and has a way out. We work out what she wants before we do it anyway!



What child in a program is going to negotiate to be humiliated, beaten, tied up or held down, and have a seminar mind-fuck without a safe word? None, except one severely messed up child.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

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You are really living in lala land!  What you do to women is far worse - What kind of woman would enjoy being humiliated or whatever you say she wants even in fun?  Just like your lifestyle, you seem to want to get involved in controlling people with your poison about the WWASPS schools, even though you knowa absolutely no one personally that's even been there.  Fun?