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And since the entire group of people in this forum (YOU) who are calling survivors liars, I think exposing your character is well within the topic.

Gonzo you did lie about me a couple of times in this thread.  When you posted the lawsuit I stated I did not see any reference to kidnapping and you stated that I called them liars.

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And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars.

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Then another time you were frustrated with our conversation you tried to make the readers believe that I was being paid by the industry to post here, thereby discrediting my opinions.  You have been here for about a day and know nothing about me yet you make up lies about me?

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They wouldn't try to discredit the accusers by hiring somebody to sit and babysit forums twisting words and making incredibly broad unfounded allegations of lies. I think I should call them up and let them know they are over-paying you. You are a miserable failure at discrediting anything.

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Most of us lie at one time or another, but I am curious as to why you need to lie about me here on the forum.  If you would do this to someone you hardly know about then what are we to believe about your stories of your time in a program?  Could it be that you are equally frustrated with the programs still being open and want to hurt them too?  Discredit them? Would this lead you to lie like you did about me?




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First of all, I have read enouigh of your posts to see that you regularly accuse people who bash programs as liars, therefore by no stretch of the imagination I came to the conclusion that you would think that all plaintiffs in that lawsuit you see as liars. I think many would agree that this is a fair assumption to make and does not constitute me as being a liar.

As far as me saying you are a Nazi supporter who doesn't believe ion the holocaust, I've read enough of your posts to see that you are someone who attempts to discredit people who do not share your views: Fascism a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2:  tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

I didn't think I needed to clarify, by Nazi I was alluding to your fascist mentality.
 
I didn't think these needed clarification, but I forgot I was conversing with someone of diminished mental capacities.

As far as your opinions being compromised by a vested interest in the program. My opinion only, and opinions cannot be lies. Opinion:1a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : approval, esteem
2a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view

I hope this helps your limited understanding of the English language. Your opinion that I am a liar, which you attempted to pass off as fact :"We have established that program survivors lie"- (Whooter) Would really make you the liar and not me.

Keep shoveling Whooter, you are doing a fine job. (That was a lie, just so we are clear). :moon:

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It has been established throughout the Troubled Teen industry that the graduates and non graduates who did not do well have a need to embellish or lie about their time spent at one or more of the programs.  


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This is a great one. Who doesnt do well and graduates the program? Oh, the people who say anything bad about the program, even if they graduated, they must not have done well. So, they must be liars. People who didn't "do well" did not graduate my program. That is what you call an oxymoron. I generalized that you called the hundreds of people in the lawsuits liars because the way you refer to anyone who didn't do well lies about the program. If that's not what you meant, my bad. You need to just chill on calling me a liar, pot calling the kettle black.

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I am still curious Whooter. Where exactly have you found a lie. It seems a little ridiculous that you start a thread about survivors lying, and of all the posts you have made have not identified one single lie. Even the post I made, the only post in this entire thread that cited a real example, still could be my perspective over someone elses, there were about three hundred kids there that day. In addition, that really wasn't about abuse, it was about a dog.

And more than likely the dog became a puppy not out of malice, but out of a simple miscommunication as a result of the "telephone game".  Nobody mentioned a machete either until you, and if the intent was to shock, that certainly would have been included.  Personally I find your first hand version of the events just as disturbing.

I agree with that 100%. The thread I saw that on seemed to be more "what I heard" than "what I saw". Far more disturbing than anything they did to the dog was the things they did to Frederickson. I think they treated that dog better than they treated him.

Whooter,
Your thread was a joke. I was the only one who cited a specific instance of a survivor lie, and all it was was an embellishment on the truth. Over and over again I have stated that I have seen no complete fabrications of abuse, only embellishments, and even those are incredibly rare compared to the truths I have seen. And to be honest I completely understand as someone who went through it, why someone would embellish to get a point across. Your entire point, if I can even thread through your bullshit and truth dodging to find it, was that the claims of kidnapping were lies. What do we call it when we are forcibly removed against our will? You find a better word to describe it, great, more power to you, still won't change the fact that kidnapping is the best word to describe it. The fact remains that you have several times called me a liar, where do you prove that? I think the thread is gone because you are a joke, and so was the thread. And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars. You know what the sick thing is, your vehemenent opposal and attempts to discredit people with no proof whatsoever makes me think that you must be well aware of what goes on and are actively working to cover up the truth. I won't feel sorry for you when this web of lies comes crashing down on you.

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Keep shoveling. You're doing a fine job.

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My daughter's best friend was kidnapped at the end of August 2004 and taken to Aspen. We just got a letter from him. He hates the place. His father says he will be there for THREE MORE YEARS. His name is Jesse Zipperman. Did you meet him? How can we communicate with him, GET HIM OUT OF THERE. His father is a psycologist with a very smooth-talking story.
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My particular ordeal began with being kidnapped and shipped there as so many.

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I am reaching the end of my teen years, but already, kids from that age range, look like babies. I can't understand the twisted thinking that goes into having a 13 year old-- this girl weighed about 70 lbs, and was 4 feet ten---kidnapped and institutionalized. Every time I see a kid I know is her age at the time of the abduction and torture, I get physically ill. not just sad, physically ill.

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Kids are kidnapped and forced into agrarian labor all the time.



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I have looked at all of these links. Why are they lies? Because you said so?  :ftard:
Really? You didn't excell in debate class did you?