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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 10:19:54 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Nice try, Gonzo, keep trying
 a couple of lies:

Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars.
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Then another time you were frustrated with our conversation you tried to make the readers believe that I was being paid by the industry to post here, thereby discrediting my opinions.  You have been here for about a day and know nothing about me yet you make up lies about me?

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They wouldn't try to discredit the accusers by hiring somebody to sit and babysit forums twisting words and making incredibly broad unfounded allegations of lies. I think I should call them up and let them know they are over-paying you. You are a miserable failure at discrediting anything.
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As far as I can see neither of these are lies, my opinion is that you have a vested monetary interest in programs. My assumption based on YOUR posts leads me to believe that you think the allegations of abuse are lies. Outlined in the lawsuit it specifically states kids were taken against their will as we have gone over the definition of kidnapping numerous times, this would mean kidnapping. You however stated that if anyone called being "escorted" kidnapping, they were liars. Therefore I came to the easy conclusion that you were calling the kids in the lawsuit liars. Not a lie whooter, I mean Your holiness king douche of the universe. But nice try.

And if I used your guidelines for what is and what is not a lie, damn near every word you post would be a lie.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 10:08:39 PM »
This is almost like talking to a fucking five year old, those are not lies little whooter.

Gonzo -- "Whooter you're a douche"
Whooter -- "No I'm not"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you really are a douche"
Whooter -- "Nu'uh, I'm not a douche"
Gonzo -- "Seriously whooter, you are the biggest douche in the universe"
Whooter -- "Stop, leave me alone, your a liar"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you're a douche"
Whooter --"I'm not a douche, liar, liar,liar,liar,liar...."
Gonzo -- "Poor whooter, fucking douche....

Those are not lies you fucking pratz.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why do Survivors need to Lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 09:48:08 PM »
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"
It has been established throughout the Troubled Teen industry that the graduates and non graduates who did not do well have a need to embellish or lie about their time spent at one or more of the programs.  


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You implied here that the allegations of abuse were lies, therefore you are calling all of the people in the lawsuit liars.
And as far as me saying you are paid by the programs, that is my conclusion, how does making an assumption based on observations make me a liar? Why else would you possibly spend this much time discrediting survivors? Not one thing you accused me of lying about did I lie about. You see, there is this thing called intelligence, some people use that intelligence, look at facts and make assumptions based on those facts, this is called analyzation. I know I'm sure I've completely lost you here douche, but really, you calling me a liar over that is no different than you calling the people who described their "transport" as kidnapping liars. You are grasping at straws here, and once again you have proved no lie. Good god you're a douche.
 :tup:  :moon:

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Tacitus' Realm / Do Programs Lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 09:36:06 PM »
http://www.wturley.com/Recent-Filings/2 ... Claims.pdf

This thread is dedicated to exposing the lies told by programs. This includes all aspects and entities including escort services, consulting firms, screening facilities, etc...
The above link is a lawsuit filed against the WWASPS organization, in it are many allegations of abuse, as well as how the organizations fooled parents into believing what they were doing was right and safe for their child.
Please post here and provide links or information of lies that were told, and first hand accounts of your experience, or proof that what was said is in fact a lie.

A few of the lies I experienced -- Browning Academy was a licensed and accredited school -- LIE
                                            -- Brightway was a licensed medical facility -- LIE
                                            -- Program staff were licensed/professional counselors -- LIE
My hope here is to provide parents looking to send their child to one of these programs with tools to identify warning signs that the facility they may be considering is telling them the same lies my parents were told.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: My TTI Postings (general discussion)
« on: October 30, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
You forgot to call him "Grasshopper". Geesh, Whooter, what part of Gonzo's posts made you think he would be receptive to any advice from the likes of you? He correctly pointed out already that you are a douche.

Grasshopper!  Lol.  The guy is a little young, Shady, and he expresses his frustration with attacking people verbally.  This is typical and I know he would never admit it but the advice will come in handy for him.  I just want him to do well here, stick around and contribute more.  He just needs to get over his first few days here and stop getting defensive when others disagree with him.  As he matures and gets use to the people in the forum more, the personal attacks will subside.   There are many people here who will support his point of view so he will feel comfortable fairly quickly.



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Look whooter, how do you define blatantly calling me a liar, over and over and over. If that is not a personal attack I don't know what is. My problem with you is that you obviously have an agenda here, and it is a sick one. And I make a remark like that and you suddenly think that proves I am a liar because I have an opinion on your motives. Please keep attempting to condescend, and don't pretend like you know from where and how I came to be. I resort to calling you a douche because you resort to advertising it. Your a douche. Plain and simple. ::deadhorse::

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: My TTI Postings (general discussion)
« on: October 30, 2010, 06:41:18 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Thanks everyone for participating and expressing your opinions.  We may not all agree but I think we can let the readers decide the outcome and walk away with a new perspective.  The important thing is that we had an adult discussion for the most part and were able to complete a cycle of conversation without a flame war in the midst of many opposing views on a very heated topic.

My hat is off to everyone for keeping the insults at the wayside for the most part.



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By many opposing views you meant your view and the view that opposes yours? That would be one opposition. Most people mean more than one by many. But I think I'm starting to get a handle on your level of communication. Seriously, I'm just trying to help when I say if you have received any sort of educational degree you should go get your money back, even if it was just a GED.
 :rofl:

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: My TTI Postings (general discussion)
« on: October 30, 2010, 06:31:35 PM »
Thank you Whooter for your opinions. Of course keeping the insults out of it, yaa, you repeatedly called me a liar based on your opinions. So of course I'm sure that the insult part of your thanks was with you excluded. I find being called a liar very insulting, well, if someone I had any respect for was doing it.

So far you are the only one who has been caught and is admittedly a liar. Liar.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 06:08:19 PM »
Apparently there is agreement that you have not proved once that a survivor has lied. Hence, termination of the thread, again.

Good work.

At first I did not realize that you were not intelligent enough to clearly see what is opinion and what is fact, I did not change what I wrote to delineate for others, just for you. But nice attempt at condescending, problem is you would have to be on a little higher rung to condescend to me.

You truly are, in my opinion of course, a complete douche.
 :cheers:   :ftard:

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 05:36:38 PM »
My opinion is that you have a vested interest in programs. Not a lie.

My opinion is that you are uneducated. Not a lie.

My conclusion from statements you have made that kids who "did not do well in programs lie about the abuse" made me come to the conclusion that you believed all kids involved in the lawsuit were liars. Also, not a lie, a conclusion based off of your posts.

My opinion is that you are a fascist. Not a lie.

You have not proven once that I lied about anything.

And like I said before, you definitely don't need my help discrediting you or making you look stupid.
You are doing a fine job. :tup:

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 05:24:58 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"

Gonzotherapy - "I have not seen one link to my posts where you have proven I am a liar",

I posted them at least twice.

Gonzotherapy -I have not seen one link where you have PROVEN that I am a liar
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If you have any sort of educational degree, I suggest you go spend your time trying to get your money back.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

This is obviously a post out of frustration on your part.  You seem to like taking personal shots at people during a discussion.  A few posts back you created a lie about how I was being paid by the industry to post here on fornits in an attempt to discredit my posts.


Gonzotherapy - "Freudian slip, amazing how truthful they can be. Your doing a fine job discrediting yourself, you definitely don't need my help."


Until the kids turn 18 the parents have the say not the kids.  I think this is where you are getting mixed up.
Gonzotherapy - "I didn't realize that the definition of kidnapping changed the day you turn 18, Hmmmm, funny that's not mentioned in the dictionary."



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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 04:59:18 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"

I have not seen one link to my posts where you have proven I am a liar,

I posted them at least twice.


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If you have any sort of educational degree, I suggest you go spend your time trying to get your money back.

This is obviously a post out of frustration on your part.  You seem to like taking personal shots at people during a discussion.  A few posts back you created a lie about how I was being paid by the industry to post here on fornits in an attempt to discredit my posts.  Then you start crying that I twisted your words and you never meant to say it.

I understand your position, Gonzo, but you are wrong.  If the kids were indeed kidnapped then the court documents would have stated that.  Instead they said they took the kids against their will.  But you see if the parents give permission and the kids are underage then it is legal and not kidnapping.  If kidnapping were described as kids being taken against their will then most of the school bus drivers in the United states would be in federal prison.

Until the kids turn 18 the parents have the say not the kids.  I think this is where you are getting mixed up.



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If a schoolbus driver handcuffed that kid like they do in escorts, or physically threatened them into submission they would be arrested. I did not create a lie, I concluded that you have a vested interest in supporting and defending these schools, my opinion, which isn't a lie. You calling me a liar for that, well, makes you look stupid. Therefore I concluded that any education you have is worthless. Just my opinion. You twisted my words and tried to make it sound like I was paid to be here. Hmmmmmm, multibillion dollar industry trying to defend itself? No, that would never happen. Or me, backed by who? Who pays money to discredit this business? If you know of one sign me up, I'd gladly get paid to do this.
 And I'm afraid the definition of kidnapping does not include anything about parents permission. What do you think would happen if a schoolbus driver chased down a kid who didn't want to get on the bus, tackled them, and forced them handcuffed onto the bus?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 04:51:03 PM »
Heres another link for you, the word KIDNAPPING used in the first few seconds to describe "escort services".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 644740074#

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 04:26:46 PM »
Once again, If you believe that the wording in the lawsuit -- Kids taken against their will; has a better definition than kidnap. Show me. Maybe it doesn't use the word kidnap because they assume no court official is retarded enough that they would believe TAKEN AGAINST THEIR WILL means anything other than kidnap.

Please, prove your truth. One definition of transport or escort that says AGAINST THEIR WILL.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 04:20:55 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
OK. You call it escort or transport. Give me a definition of either of those words that includes the words -- TAKEN AGAINST THEIR WILL.


Fact- You suck at semantics.

Yes, I may suck at semantics, but you struggle with telling the truth and I have links to back me up.  So we have come full circle and proved you lied.

Lets give it a rest unless you want to take into the OFFA section.  I would really like to keep this thread on topic if I can.



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Since you insist on calling me a liar, and I am a survivor, this is well within topic. Since you so far are the only one accusing survivors of lying about their transports being kidnapping, this is well within topic.

Once again, I have proven that what you call "lies" by me are nothing more than attempts to discredit the facts that I have presented. You are the only admitted and proven liar here. And since you are presenting falsities as proven "lies" by survivors, it is well within topic to show evidence that you are in fact the one lying.

I have not seen one link to my posts where you have proven I am a liar, Taken against their will by force is kidnapping, the reason the lawyers do no use the term kidnapping is most likely because what Utah courts see as kidnapping may not be applied because of the different child protection laws that Utah has. Does not change the fact that being taken against your will is kidnapping. The court is not a dictionary, the court does not make definitions of words. What may legally be accepted as kidnapping does not change the definition of the word.

Your links that "prove" I lied about anything I said is nothing more than your failed attempt at twisting words to support your idiocy.
If you have any sort of educational degree, I suggest you go spend your time trying to get your money back.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: October 30, 2010, 03:34:38 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Gonzo you did lie about me a couple of times in this thread.  When you posted the lawsuit I stated I did not see any reference to kidnapping and you stated that I called them liars.


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http://www.wturley.com/Recent-Filings/2 ... Claims.pdf

Pg 56 item 14 -- Kids taken AGAINST their will. (I.E. KIDNAPPING.)
Once again it is my opinion that you are a liar Whooter. Actually considering the mounting evidence, this may actually be a fact. :fuckoff:

Nice try, you added the word kidnapping, Gonzo.  It is not referenced in the lawsuit like I pointed out to you earlier.  Hmmm.  I wonder why the lawyers didnt use the word kidnapping? If those kids were indeed kidnapped I am sure they would have pointed that out in the lawsuit.  Why is that?  Do you think that maybe the parents gave permission to the escort agency to transport the children and therefore they were not kidnapped?


The issue isnt whether or not you think I am a liar (There is already a thread dedicated to that subject that you can resurrect if you like).



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OK. You call it escort or transport. Give me a definition of either of those words that includes the words -- TAKEN AGAINST THEIR WILL.


Fact- You suck at semantics.

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