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Maxi5, I would go head to head with you any day on the subject of honesty and fucking certainly on the subject of sincerity.  I am really deaf, and yet, you are deafer than I will ever be when you insist on curtailing the issue that you are unpopular here because of your lack of empathy - not over your belief in Program Jesus.  You clearly patronize survivors and think of yourself as superior. Quite strange. I mean, I don't feel a need to visit places where I view the inhabitants as low lifes. And yet, you do.

Makes. No. Sense.

Will it make you feel better if I say you are a better person than me? I'll admit it, Samara. You are superior to me in every way. Now go enjoy your weekend, and stop wasting your time talking to me. I'm not worth your time. I am not superior to anyone on this forum, in fact, I am quite the piece of shit, and will most likely pay for my sins for all of eternity in the pits of hellfire. But I have accepted this about myself, and it doesn't effect the reality of what I experienced in programs. My morals, or lack of, and motivations for posting here are irrelevant to the discussion of whether programs are effective and/or are abusive. I believe the program saved my life, because it's true. I don't see the people who post here as low lifes, I see them as people who had different experience in programs than I did, and sometimes people here agree with me, but often disagree. However I try not to assume who the person behind the avatar really is, or what their motivations are, or judge them. I try to self correct through both self examination and the examination of external influences, remember, everything happens for a reason.

Quote from: "Maximilian"

But I never abused anybody .

Can you prove you never abused anybody?

This one time I went to visit a friend at their home, and I knew they were granola, earth friendly type of person. That doesn't bother me at all, I use stainless steel water bottles and recycle, I tend to think of myself as someone who cares about the planet. We were talking and having a drink (soda) and I asked if I could go use the restroom. When I got in there the toilet looked like somebody had already urinated in it, and not flushed the toiled. Gross, I thought. I decided to pre flush to make sure it was working, and it did. So I did my business, washed my hands and went out to see my friend. I didn't know if I should say something, because I thought it might be awkward, so I said "I think your toilet might be busted, because it looked like it didn't flush before me". They started grinning as I said this and I wondered what they were smiling about, "we don't flush for number 1". I thought wtf? Who doesn't flush the toilet when they pee, and what adult calls taking a piss "number 1"? Well long story short, it was explained to me that it was a waste of a precious resource, clean water, to flush every time you piss, and said next time I piss in their home I should not flush unless it's "number two". I was thinking whatever, I'll flush if I want, I thought it was all pretty strange, and taking environmentalism way too far. I thought it was gross, at least they could have given me a warning upon entering the bathroom. Well I just wanted to respond to your off topic post with some more off topic stuff, because in the end this will all be nixed by the moderator for being off topic. If the admin is reading this don't even bother saving or moving my posts, feel free to nuke em all, this conversation is pointless.

But to me, you are just a type of rapist who visits the rape survivor site.

You can judge me all you want, and call me a rapist or whatever makes you feel better. I really could care less. This type of emotional grand standing does little counter the logical arguments I have made about why generalizations about an entire industry based on a limited number of individual experiences are not accurate. So you and your buddies can call people names, judge them, and use colorful language to push reader's emotional buttons, but it won't change the fact that most programs are safe and effective, and that many parents will continue to entrust their teens to the care of them. If you don't want to debate about the TTI, then like I said, go found a survivor support group, because fornits obviously isn't what you're looking for. But then again, there aren't that many people looking for a support group because they went to a program as a teen. I wonder why that is.

The reason people are so mad at me all the time is because I don't read off the fornits script. If I was a program staff who abused 100 kids and came here and said the right things, everyone would be my friend. But I never abused anybody, and choose to be honest, and am hated for it, because I don't tow the party line here, and I tell it like it  was when I went to a program. So is the life of someone willing to be honest with themselves amongst a group of ideologically pure extremists. I've been judged, and called every name under sun. Sicko, cruel , unempathetic, sadistic, an abuser, etc, etc, etc. But all this isn't the result of my actions in real life, simply what I have posted on an internet forum. Words. That's it. Some of you people really need to get some perspective, fornits does not represent reality, programs, or the people in them.

The posters here should thank Whooter for taking the time to even talk to them. Here is a reasonable adult, taking questions and responding to what amounts to spoiled and angry children. Have anybody here ever babysat or raised kids, at that age when they keep asking questions rapid fire, one after the other? Why is the sky blue?! Where does the sun go? Why do you do this? Why do you do that? This is what it's like for Whooter on fornits, and yet he puts up with it day after day, and brings nothing but maturity and common sense to a forum severely lacking both.

Whooter has to deal with a group of bitter, angry adults who still have daddy and mommy issues, and question Whooter as if he's a surrogate parent representative of every parents who ever sent a kid to a program. Not only that, but people also attribute programs themselves to him, because he's known as a rich investor that owns lots of programs. It's almost as if everything people hate, is conveniently wrapped up into one tidy package for people to unload their hate, and family issues all at once. It's amazing to me how much people obsess and get angry of Whooter, who holds very reasonable views on this industry, actually. There are people out there who work day and night helping parents send kids to programs, you know, real edcons, not the imaginary ones who post on fornits. Yet people ignore the people who work to send kids to programs in reality, and focus in on their delusional creation here, and spend literally years trolling Whooter for apparently no reason at all, other than they are angry and don't have any other outlet for it.

That's why people should thank Whooter for putting up with all their immature bullshit, because without him, there'd be a bunch of 'survivors' arguing amongst themselves. Instead Whooter provides a useful foundation for the creation of a straw man which they routinely and ceremonial burn, representative of all their long held hatred for their own family, and secretly themselves. Without Whooter, all you'd have left is your hate and nobody to unload it on. Well, you could always write your parents a letter, but where's the fun in that.

Well, Max I guess your humility act has worn off and you are back to being your sanctimonious self insisting their is no program abuse and anyone who disagrees is a self pitying fool.

Look, I don't give a shit about what happened to me 20 years ago - it's over and done. (Other than the nightmares and residual affects.) I do give a shit that it still happens.

My problem with programs is that once you are in, you have no credibility. If you have no credibility, you have no access to authentic advocacy, and you sure as hell can't take genuine accountability for your life's direction.  Programs have too much power to manipulate not only your parents, but your own damn sense of self.  

If you want to believe in your Program Jesus, that's fine.  But you sure as hell don't have any right to tell anyone else that our naked scaly assed Emperor does in fact wear clothes.

And if you really were a program kid -and I am 100% certain you are not, Sweet Canadian - I understand why you think you needed Program Jesus.  Afterall, you basically described yourself as a liar, thief, master manipulator, and bullshit artist. But I can tell you that the vast majority of kids I knew were neither addicts nor Satan incarnate and did not need to be warehoused in some Stepford kid factory.

Yeah, yeah. I've heard this all before. I'm a program parent in disguise. I never went to a program. I was brainwashed by the Program Jesus. I've heard many conspiracy theories attempting to dismiss the fact that not everybody who goes to programs feels the way the extremists here on fornits do. Believe whatever you want, I really could care less. There's about 10 people who post here regularly, sorry, but this slim sample does not accurately represent the diverse views on this industry from the people who went through it.

I was in a program for teens in the 80's and I'm still upset over it.

Upon my walking away and having my back towards him he eloquently responded by kicking me in the small of my back. I'm sure that's theraputic somewhere. In any event, it wasn't my fault that he bit off more than he could chew and ended up receiving from me the beat down of his life.

I've read enough internet tough guy stories to know when I'm being lied to. Nice attempt at portraying yourself as a victim without the necessary emasculation. I think you'd do better just to say you got beat up and cried, and wrote your mom a letter, and asked her to take you home, but she said no. That way you can make people hate program staff, and program parents all in one fell swoop. Two birds with one stone. But with this bit of program fiction you've created, you come off as a troubled teenager who deserved to be in a program, and the staff a victim of your anger issues. In the end, it makes me empathize with your parents for sending you to a program. I suggest a rewrite.