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Elan School / Re: Matt and Felice on Reddit Group W/Kim Morelli
« on: August 22, 2011, 11:18:38 AM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Let me ask you a question Joel or who ever you are, did it ever occur to you to support rather then condemn or is it just in your nature to do the latter. I posted this here because I felt I would receive a fair shake since they ran from here to there. I wanted others to read my rebuttal to this crap. It is not a big deal so don't make it one.
I posted and I will have nothing more to say. As far as Elan people coming here, yeah two.

Oh yes the  "2 Evil people who have been trying to close Elan for years; Matt Hoffman and Felice Eliscu."
Danny Bennison who plans to work at the South American Elan with Juan F.
Danny Bennison who is now recruiting new Staff to re-open the old Elan in Maine. ::deadhorse::

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Web forum hosting / Re: confusing chopped up threads
« on: August 16, 2011, 09:33:03 PM »
It sucks! I want the old Fornits back.
The one with the FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
This is censorship and borders on behavior modification.
"Come to Fornits and be treated like you are in a program"
Thanks Gatenazi

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Thought Reform / Re: Documentary Film, "Human Resources"
« on: August 16, 2011, 09:25:55 PM »
Quote from: "Inculcated"
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Death Girl mentioned this film....it's really well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R85eo2rA70
There's 9 parts and you can also see it at the film makers site.
Well, that's messed me up a bit. Tonight will be another insomnia night. Very disquieting. Thx Dethgurl.
METANOIA

Glad I could help.....head over to the "Benzo Buffet" for a good nights sleep.

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Thought Reform / Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« on: August 16, 2011, 09:22:41 PM »
Quote from: "The gatekeeper"
Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Can't seem to pull up this article/statement on google or even on the actual site it is posted in the references. http://www.abct.org/Home/?m=mAbout&fa=AboutABCT
Wanted to read what Dr.Davidson had to say.
Davison , G., & Stuart, R. (1974). Statement on behavior modification from the Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy. AABT Newsletter, 1(2), 2-3.


It is because Dr. Gerald E Davidson from  The Elan corporation, One of the TWO founderS of elan (didn't you know that , JOE RICCI was the other founder of that hell hole FYI) has these letters after his name M.D.  and Gerald C Davison has Phd after his name. Ya I see  that to you that these are the same men ,maybe you are really crazier than when I first believed you .  

you did it twice  not once  but twice  (two posts)......were you rubbing your hands in glee or were you dribbling booze or what ever off your chin,  in your mad dash to post ....its just gross.You are a very bad person.  I am very concerned that you actually talk to survivors, they don't have a chance.

Moved from > viewtopic.php?f=81&t=32643&start=30
:dose:  Control Freak!

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Thought Reform / Re: Documentary Film, "Human Resources"
« on: August 15, 2011, 07:15:33 PM »
:bump:

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News Items / Re: Jailing Kids For Cash
« on: August 12, 2011, 07:32:05 AM »
Pa. judge gets 28 years in 'kids for cash' case

http://http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/pa-judge-gets-28-1097263.html#.TkQxB9DimYM.email

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
The Associated Press

SCRANTON, Pa. — A northeastern Pennsylvania judge was ordered Thursday to spend nearly three decades in prison for his role in a massive bribery scandal that prompted the state's high court to toss thousands of juvenile convictions and left lasting scars on the children who appeared in his courtroom and their hapless families.

Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr. was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison for taking a $1 million bribe from the builder of a pair of juvenile detention centers in a case that became known as "kids for cash."

Ciavarella, who denied locking up youths for money, had no reaction as the sentence was announced. From the gallery, which was crowded with family members of some of the children he incarcerated, someone shouted "Woo hoo!"

In the wake of the scandal, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned about 4,000 convictions issued by Ciavarella between 2003 and 2008, saying he violated the constitutional rights of the juveniles, including the right to legal counsel and the right to intelligently enter a plea.

Ciavarella, 61, was tried and convicted of racketeering earlier this year. His attorneys had asked for a "reasonable" sentence in court papers, saying, in effect, that he'd already been punished enough.

"The media attention to this matter has exceeded coverage given to many and almost all capital murders, and despite protestation, he will forever be unjustly branded as the 'Kids for Cash' judge," their sentencing memo said.

Al Flora, Ciavarella's lawyer, called the sentence harsher than expected. The ex-judge surrendered immediately but it was not immediately known where he would serve his time. He plans to appeal both his conviction and sentence.

Ciavarella, in a 15-minute speech before the sentence was handed down, apologized to his family, the Luzerne County bar and the community — and to those juveniles who appeared before him in his court. He called himself a hypocrite who failed to practice what he preached.

"I blame no one but myself for what happened," he said.

Then, in an extraordinary turnabout, Ciavarella attacked the government's case as well as the conclusions of the state Supreme Court and the Interbranch Commission on Juvenile Justice, a state panel that investigated the scandal. Both said Ciavarella engaged in wholesale rights violations over a period of many years.

Ciavarella denied it.

"I did everything I was obligated to do protect these children's rights," he said.

He also criticized Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Zubrod for referring to the case as "kids for cash," saying it sank his reputation. (Zubrod said outside court that he doesn't remember ever calling it that.)

"He backdoored me, and I never saw it coming. Those three words made me the personification of evil," Ciavarella said. "They made me toxic and caused a public uproar the likes of which this community has never seen."

In court, Zubrod said Ciavarella had "verbally abused and cruelly mocked children he sent away after violating their rights." He called the ex-judge "vicious and mean-spirited" and asked U.S. District Judge Edwin M. Kosik to punish Ciavarella's "profound evil" with a life sentence.

"The criminal justice system (in Luzerne County) is ruined and will not recover in our lifetimes," Zubrod added.

Federal prosecutors accused Ciavarella and a second judge, Michael Conahan, of taking more than $2 million in bribes from Robert Mericle, the builder of the PA Child Care and Western PA Child Care detention centers, and of extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Robert Powell, the facilities' co-owner.

Ciavarella, known for his harsh and autocratic courtroom demeanor, pocketed the cash while filling the beds of the private lockups with children as young as 10, many of them first-time offenders convicted of petty theft and other minor crimes. Ciavarella often ordered youths he had found delinquent to be immediately shackled, handcuffed and taken away without giving them a chance to say goodbye to their families.

"Frankly, I don't think Ciavarella or Conahan themselves really personally cared where the juveniles went, as long as they could use their power to place the juveniles as leverage or control over Mericle and Powell," U.S. Attorney Peter Smith said Thursday.

Speaking of Ciavarella, Smith added: "There's no true remorse and there's a blind unwillingness to admit the overall seriousness of his conduct."

The jury returned a mixed verdict following a February trial, convicting Ciavarella of 12 counts, including racketeering and conspiracy, and acquitting him of 27 counts, including extortion. The guilty verdicts related to a payment of $997,600 from Mericle.

Conahan pleaded guilty last year and awaits sentencing.

Sandy Fonzo, whose son committed suicide last year at the age of 23 after bouncing in and out of Ciavarella's courtroom, said Thursday that justice was done.

"This judge was wrong, what he did to my son, what he did to all of our children, what he did to our families, and today proves that," said Fonzo, who dramatically confronted Ciavarella on the courthouse steps earlier this year.

Susan Mishanski also applauded the sentence. Ciavarella had ordered her son to spend three months in a wilderness camp for scuffling with another kid.

"They did not even tell him where they were taking him. It was like someone kidnapped my son," she said. "It was awful."

Ciavarella and Conahan initially pleaded guilty in February 2009 to honest services fraud and tax evasion in a deal that called for a sentence of more than seven years in prison. But their plea deals were rejected by Kosik, who ruled they had failed to accept responsibility for their actions.

:beat:

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Thought Reform / Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« on: August 11, 2011, 12:00:43 PM »
Watch the Documentary Human Resources it explains it all.
Here it is on youtube:http://http://youtu.be/9R85eo2rA70
You can also find it on torrent sights.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Marijuana Prohibition Leads to Death of Young Man
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:41:08 AM »
Quote from: "none-ya"
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drooooool

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Open Free for All / Re: latesest crock o shit from my spirochettedbraine
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:36:16 AM »
:rofl:

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Elan School / Radio Show Welcomes Wayne Kernochan
« on: July 28, 2011, 12:41:10 PM »
Radio Show Welcomes Wayne Kernochan

http://https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/notes/bipolar-nation-radio/sunday-july-31sts-bipolar-nation-features-wayne-kernochans-book-a-life-gone-awry/10150340463801257

Sunday, July 31st's Bipolar Nation features: Wayne Kernochan's book "A Life Gone Awry: My Story of the Elan School."

Susan Schofield's Bipolar Nation Radio Show welcomes Special Education Teacher and Comedian, Dave Burger to the Co-Host Chair as we talk candidly with Wayne Kernochan about his book "A Life Gone Awry: My Story of the Elan School."  Back in the late 70s, the motto was "Anything Goes in the Name of Therapy" and Wayne Kernochan explains how this motto applied to him and most of the other kids who went to the Elan School in Maine.  He'll recall the horror that went on inside this school that was supposed to help Mentally Ill & Drug Addicted Children.  Instead, only the Rich Kids' who's parents paid a private fee were treated to field trips and less abuse.  However, they all had the "Boxing Ring"... where in 1982, one boy was accidentally murdered.  He'll talk about the Politicians who KNEW and covered it up.  You won't get these stories on FCC-Controlled Media... but you'll find them here, on Susan Schofield's Bipolar Nation Radio.  His story is coming up this Sunday morning LIVE at 11am PST on LaTalkradio.com… also downloadable under Bipolar Nation Radio on iTunes.

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Let It Bleed / Re: The Lyrics thread
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:37:12 PM »
Buckethead-Funbus

Why has the humor died in music today

everyone is so serious that I'm afraid to say

tough guy stance is lost on me

violence is necessary it proves you are free

happy being sold mediocrity

failure only happens from originality

Its more important to be tough than to have any fun

like an insecure human who fears everyone

music is art that we're afraid to enjoy

like a child who's outgrown his favorite toy

afraid to acknowledge what makes us feel good

afraid to leave the mold , if we only could

a group is always easier to follow

then finding something new to swallow

so give us the art thats boring and plain

its easier to be different when its the same

fear something new till we're told its ok

no time to explore no time to play

the craving for new is something to shun

thinking is bad it spoils the fun

(This is the vikings of humor as they row their mighty warcrafts into battle part)

discover yourself with mass appeal

pretend your choices make you real

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Hyde Schools / Re: Alexander Tyler, R.I.P. - "gun mishap"
« on: July 14, 2011, 12:36:29 PM »
I don't think it was a mishap....

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Elan School / Re: Tiffany Voisine
« on: July 09, 2011, 09:46:52 AM »
Quote from: "JAH"
Quote from: "RaeRae"
Okay, it was like this..  
Jenn Ferro was on Tiffany's big sister, and Amy Henry was on the girls side lake zone.  When hse line up was called they did the head count, and hello Tiffany wasn't there.  Mary Pack jumped into the water and swam to the dock to get a view of the lake from it.  Tiffany who was hidden under the raft must of gotten scared, because she proceeded to swim from under the raft and towards the other side of the lake.  Jeff H and Marc N got into a canoe, and paddled after her.

Myself and Jenn Ferro and an elan 7 staff member took a car to the other side of the lake and begged these old people to let us use their boat to go get Tiffany.  By the time we got out to the site Tiffany had already been caught.  

She spent like a month in the corner was on a bright LE forever (they actually had to go out and buy clothes just for her)  She honestly felt horrible for what she did to Jeff, and after her splitting incident she really didn't have any other incidents.  And yes, Jenn Ferro got shotdown, along with Amy Henry.

 :beat:
You people are still talking about that day? I thought I was shot-down the moment the ambulance doors opened and I saw the look on Clare's face.  Man was she pissed! I think she was just shocked by the whole thing. I never saw anything like that my entire stay.  Since the last girl that ran away wound up abducted, raped, and murdered, I'm glad I went after her.  I may have saved her life that day! 

If I had it to do all over again I would have picked a bigger guy than Newman to give chase but he was the only other high strength male around.  The Élan Staff on the shore (Kirk & Tina)  had no fucking clue what to do. Kirk was the gym teacher and it was Tina's first weekend alone i think.  They both looked to me like I would know what to do, and I wasn't even supposed to be down there that day!  I was taking some well earned sleep back and just decided to take a walk!  

You guys all went up to the house so I don't think you saw the entire incident. Newman jumped out in the middle of the lake.  Tiffany, a former swim champ kicked his ass and I couldn't get him back in the canoe! So went after her alone.  That island in the middle of the lake was surrounded with sharp jagged rocks that cut up my feet like razor blades.  After being pummeled in the head a few times with a boulder as I was trying to gain solid footing I eventually subdued her.  

My next problem was the cops that were on their way to the island in a boat watching this all unfold, and finally witnessing me pin a nearly naked, screaming, 16 year old girl to the ground without getting shot as her attacker! Once he got to us, I tried to give Tiffany my shirt but she needed to stay in her bikini in order for her Plan B for splitting to work. I don't remember exactly what she said but she made sure that cop took her in the boat alone, and left my ass broken and bleeding on the island! It wasn't a bad manipulation I must admit. She must have found the only gay cop in Maine!  

I was sure that as soon as i turned her over to the cops I'd never see her again.  I was also sure the entire house was headed for a "High-Strength Shot-Down" again just like when I split as a new res.  But this time I think administration was wetting their pants about their liability and potential exposure to the media.  That would have made a great story for the five-o-clock news!

 My parents told me that they were stammering like iddiots trying to explain why I was in the hospital with a closed head injury while avoiding any information pertaining to fault or about their liability.  Then they told my parents that "it was my fault for going after a mentally unstable violent teenager on the run". This is after the first phone call explained how it was "My job" to retrieve run-away students. I think it was Tina who first called and it was only her 2nd or 3rd week as a staff member so she explained the situation honestly, exactly as it happened. Whomever called the second time was all about damage control.  I still can't believe that I wasn't pulled right the Hell out of there! What the hell was my family thinking?  If I knew then what I know now... I'd be a wealthy man!
 

All-in-all I was glad that Tiffany was safe. I was glad not to have any permanent injuries.  I think  I grew from the experience. 

I will always wonder what the Hell I was doing there in the first place.  I was always helpful to you guys and the staff right? I was always there for all of the permanent shot-downs having a hard time!  In fact, I was Élan's favorite SP for my last 6 months or so because of how tolerant I was of the wild ones. I was always kind to you nut jobs right? : )  One of you (you know who you are) threw your feces at me, and I just calmly requested a replacement so I could shower.  After my first week, splitting in the middle of a Northeastern blizzard in the dead of winter, I realized that the way out was the way through.  Some of you were there for 4+ years! I feel for you!

Those of you E-8's that don't already know... We have our own group on Facebook now! Just search for Élan 8 and reconnect!  
:notworthy:

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: June 04, 2011, 01:29:38 AM »
SUICIDE: A Civil Right
by Lawrence Stevens, J.D.

 :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
Thinking about suicide is commonplace.  In his book Suicide, published in 1988, Earl A. Grollman says "Almost everybody at one time or another contemplates suicide" (Second Edition, Beacon Press, p. 2).  In his book Suicide: The Forever Decision, published in 1987, psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., says "Research has shown that a substantial majority of people have considered suicide at one time in their lives, and I mean considered it seriously" (Continuum, p. 12).  Nevertheless, thinking about suicide is generally speaking frowned upon and by itself is enough to result in involuntary "hospitalization" and so-called treatment in a psychiatric "hospital", particularly if the person in question thinks about suicide seriously and refuses (so-called) outpatient psychotherapy to get this thinking changed.  The fact that people are incarcerated in America for thinking and talking about suicide implies that despite what the U.S. Constitution says about free speech, and despite claims Americans often make about America being a free country, many if not most Americans do not really believe in freedom of thought and speech - in addition to rejecting an individual's right to commit suicide.

                In contrast, the assertion that people have a right to not only think about but to commit suicide has been made by many people who believe in individual freedom.  In his book Suicide in America, published in 1982, psychiatrist Herbert Hendin, M.D., says: "Partly as a response to the failure of suicide prevention, partly in reaction to commitment abuses, and perhaps mainly in the spirit of accepting anything that does not physically harm anyone else, we see suicide increasingly advocated as a fundamental human right.  Many such advocates deplore all attempts to prevent suicide as an interference with that right.  It is a position succinctly expressed by Nietzsche when he wrote, `There is a certain right by which we may deprive a man of life, but none by which we may deprive him of death.'  Taken from its social and psychological context, suicide is regarded by some purely as an issue of personal freedom"  (W. W. Norton & Co., p. 209).  In his book The Death of Psychiatry, published in 1974, psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, M.D., said this: "It should not be possible to confine people against their wills in mental `hospitals.' ...  This implies that people have the right to kill themselves if they wish.  I believe this is so" (Chilton Book Co., p. 180).  In 1968 in his book Why Suicide?, Dr. Eustace Chesser, a psychologist, asserted: "The right to choose one's time and manner of death seems to me unassailable.  ...  In my opinion the right to die is the last and greatest human freedom" (Arrow Books, London, pp. 123 & 125).  In On Suicide, published in 1851, Arthur Schopenhauer said: "There is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person" (H. L. Mencken, A New Dictionary of Quotations, Knopf, 1942, p. 1161).  In a books-on-tape audiocassette version of their book Life 101,  published in 1990, John-Roger and Peter McWilliams tell us: "The consistency of descriptions from a broad range of individuals points to the possibility that death might not be so bad.  ...  Suicide is always an option.  It is sometimes what makes life bearable.  Knowing we don't absolutely have to be here can make being here a little easier."  Suzy Szasz, a victim of Systemic Lupus Erythematosus, confirms this view in her book Living With It: Why You Don't Have To Be Healthy To Be Happy after an acute flare-up of her disease during which she contemplated suicide: "As many an ancient philosopher has noted, I found the very freedom to commit suicide liberating" (Prometheus Books, 1991, p. 226).  In ancient times (circa 485-425 B.C.), Herodotus wrote: "When life is so burdensome death has become for man a sought after refuge."  In his book The Untamed Tongue, published in 1990, psychiatrist Thomas Szasz asserts: "Suicide is a fundamental human right. ...society does not have the moral right to interfere, by force, with a person's decision to commit this act" (Open Court Publishing Co., p. 250-251).

                To these statements of support for the right to commit suicide, I will add my own: In a truly free society, you own your life, and your only obligation is to respect the rights of others.  I believe everyone is entitled to be treated as the sole owner of himself or herself and of his or her own life.  Accordingly, I think a person who commits suicide is well within his or her rights in doing so provided he or she does so privately and without jeopardizing the physical safety of others.  Family members, police officers, judges, and "therapists" who interfere with a person's decision to end his or her own life are violating that person's human rights.  The often expressed view that the possibility of suicide justifies psychiatric treatment even if it must be imposed against the will of the potentially suicidal person is wrong.  Provided the person in question is not violating the rights of others, that person's autonomy is of more value than enforcement of what other people consider rational or of what other people think is in a person's best interests.  In a free society where self-ownership is recognized, "dangerousness to oneself" is irrelevant.  In the words of the title of a movie starring Richard Dreyfuss: "Whose Life Is It, Anyway?"  The greatest human right is the right of self-ownership, one aspect of which is the right to life, but another aspect of which is the right to end one's own life.  Whether or not a person supports the right to commit suicide is a litmus test of whether or not that person truly believes in self-ownership and the individual freedom that comes with it, the individual freedom that many of us have been taught is the reason-for-being of American democracy.

                One reason some oppose the right to commit suicide is theological belief that is sometimes expressed this way: "God gave you life, and only God has the right to take life from you."  Using this reasoning to justify interfering with a person's right to commit suicide is imposing religious beliefs on people who may not share those beliefs.  In America where we supposedly have freedom of (and from) religion, this is wrong.
                Another reason some people believe it is ethical to interfere with a person's right to think about or commit suicide is belief in mental illness.  But a so-called diagnosis of "mental illness" is a value judgment about a person's thinking or behavior, not a diagnosis of bona-fide brain disease.  So-called mental illness does not deprive people of free will, but on the contrary is an expression of free will (which reaps the disapproval of others).  Those who say mental illness destroys "meaningful" free will or who call the beliefs of others irrational (and therefore necessarily caused by mental illness) are accepting the idea of mental illness as brain disease without adequate evidence or are refusing to accept the beliefs of others only because they differ from their own.

                Sometimes people oppose the right to commit suicide because of belief in a sort of entirely non-biological mental illness.  The error of this way of thinking is that without a biological abnormality the only possible defining characteristic of mental illness is disapproval of some aspect of a person's mentality or thinking.  But in a free society, it shouldn't matter if the thinking of a person meets with the disapproval of others, provided the person's actions do not violate the rights of others.

                Furthermore, there isn't any good evidence that mental illness by any generally accepted definition is usually involved in a person's decision to commit suicide.  In her book about teenage suicide, Marion Crook, B.Sc.N., says "teens considering suicide are not necessarily mentally disturbed.  In fact, they are rarely mentally disturbed" (Every Parent's Guide To Understanding Teenagers & Suicide, Int'l Self-Counsel Press Ltd., Vancouver, 1988, p. 10).  Psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., makes this observation in his book Suicide: The Forever Decision:  "As we have already discussed, however, you do not have to be mentally ill to take your own life.  In fact, most people who do commit suicide are not legally `insane.'  So it seems we have a very interesting problem.  To prevent you from killing yourself, doctors like myself will stand up in court and say something to the effect that, by reason of a mental illness, you are a danger to yourself and need treatment.  But - and this is the weird part - you may, in a matter of a few hours to a couple of days, get up one morning and say, `I've decided not to kill myself, after all.'  And if you can convince us you mean what you say, you can leave the hospital and go home.  Question: Are you now completely cured of your so-called mental illness? Obviously not, since the chances are you were never `mentally ill' in the first place.  ...  As I have said, I do not believe you have to be mentally ill to think about suicide" (pp. 11-12).  Dr. Quinnett's statement is a clear admission that allegations of mental illness to justify incarcerating suicidal people often are deliberate dishonesty, even by the definition of mental illness that exists in the minds of the professionals who make the allegations of mental illness.  They make these allegations of mental illness even though they know they are false because involuntary psychiatric commitment laws require a finding of "mental illness" before involuntary commitment may take place.  Making deliberately false accusations of "mental illness" under oath in a court of law to satisfy commitment laws for the purpose of discouraging suicidal thinking or preventing suicide is a way to avoid coming to terms with the fact that incarcerating people only because they happen to think their lives are not worth living or because they have attempted to end their own lives is a form of authoritarianism and despotism.  In the case of people who have only thought about (not attempted) suicide, it is imprisonment for mere thought-crime similar to that illustrated by George Orwell in his novel 1984.

                Even people who oppose the right to commit suicide because of their belief in mental illness sometimes can be made to understand the erroneousness of their biological theorizing or their belief in some kind of non-biological mental illness by asking them if they would see any point in living if they were suffering from a terminal disease involving excruciating, unrelievable physical pain or were completely paralyzed from the neck down with no chance of recovery.  Once people admit there are any circumstances in which they would choose death, they often see suicide is the result of a person's personal judgment about his or her circumstances in life rather than a biological malfunction of the brain or some conception of non-biological mental illness.

                Some may feel it is right to use force to prevent suicide because of their belief that the potentially suicidal person's desire to die is probably temporary and will probably go away or subside if he or she is forced to live a short time longer until the acute emotional reaction to a recent traumatic event has faded with time.  Those advancing this argument sometimes acknowledge a person does have a right to commit suicide if he or she is not acting impulsively.  But most evidence indicates few if any people who commit suicide do so impulsively.  As Earl A. Grollman says in his book Suicide (in which he opposes the right to commit suicide): "Suicide does not occur suddenly, impulsively, unpredictably" (p. 63).  In his book Suicide: The Forever Decision, psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., says: "I have talked to hundreds of suicidal people...  If I can make another guess about what has been going on inside your head and heart, it is that you have had long and difficult discussions with yourself about whether to live or die" (pp. 18-19).  Rather than being impulsive, suicide is something people do after long contemplation as part of their efforts to deal with what they consider intolerable life circumstances.

                The usual justification for involuntary incarceration and so-called treatment of those considering or attempting suicide is alleged dangerousness to oneself.  But even people who don't agree with the principle of self-ownership should ask themselves: dangerousness to oneself in the eyes of whom?  To an onlooker, suicide may seem to always be harmful to the person ending his or her life.  But that's not how the person committing suicide sees the situation.  People commit suicide because they decide continued living in their particular circumstances is a greater harm to themselves than death.  This is made abundantly clear by Francis Lear, editor-in-chief if Lear's magazine, in her autobiographical book, The Second Seduction: "I ALWAYS HAVE an `exitline.'  A stash of lithium.  A building tall enough to kill, not maim, for godsake, not maim.  One goes out in suicide, one simply goes out, gets out, wriggles, bolts, and does not some back merely smashed up or, as the first priority, left with the ability to feel.  One does not go out in a half-assed manner.  Suicide has many consequences.  It will hurt people who love you, it can splatter the sidewalks; but its purpose, the reason for its magnetism, is that it is the only guaranteed, surefire way to end, blitz, detonate a critical mass of suffering.  Suicide, reduced to its pure essence, is a delivery system that moves us from pain to the absence of pain.  If the gods contrive against us and the planets are in disarray, if the earth cracks open beneath us, we must always have a way out" (Harper-Perennial, 1992, p. 26).  As Dr. Eustace Chesser said, "Suicide is a deliberate refusal to accept the only conditions on which it is possible to go on living" (Why Suicide?, op. cit., p. 122).

                A person's reasons for choosing death may or may not make sense to other people.  In a free society, however, that doesn't or at least shouldn't matter.  It is a very personal and subjective determination, so how can anyone else reasonably claim to know that a suicidal person is making the "wrong" decision in terms of "dangerousness to himself" or herself as experienced by that person? As William Glasser, a psychiatrist, says in his book Positive Addiction: "we should keep in mind that we can never feel another person's pain" (Harper & Row, 1976, p. 8).  In general, I agree with psychiatrist Mark S. Gold's assertion that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" (The Good News About Depression, Bantam Books, 1986, p. 290).  However, the determination of whether it is best to suffer through a miserable present in the hope of getting to a possibly better future is a value judgment.  A person could legitimately decide a hopefully better future does not justify choosing to experience an unbearable present.  No one should claim the right override, by force, a person's value judgements and decisions about something as personal as this.

                Another factor to consider is that mental health professionals, contrary to their claim that they are preventing suicide, more often are unwittingly promoting eventual suicide.  In an article in the May-June 1974 New York University Law Review titled "Involuntary Psychiatric Commitments to Prevent Suicide", New York University sociology professor David F. Greenberg, Ph.D., says studies on psychiatric suicide prevention "have been either inconsistent or negative" and suggest "that institutionalization may not prevent suicide, but, in fact, may result in more suicides" (p. 256, emphasis in original).  Considering the harmfulness of today's biological "treatments" in psychiatry, the dreariness and sometimes cruelty of institutional life, and the effects of psychiatric stigma, such as lowered self-esteem and discrimination in education and employment, increased rates of suicide among suicidal people who get psychiatric "treatment" compared with a similar population of suicidal people who do not get "treatment" should be expected.  The value of recognizing the right to commit suicide is not only respecting individual freedom but preventing the harm and cruelty that often go on in the name of suicide prevention.

                While courts have gone both ways in right-to-die cases, judicial decisions defending the right to die are not unusual and are gaining favor.  In his book Death With Dignity, published in 1989, attorney Robert L. Risley points out that in general "court cases clearly established the right to bodily integrity, confirming that the basic right of self-determination includes the right to die, and that it overrides the state's duty to preserve life" (Hemlock Society, Eugene, Oregon, 1989, p. viii).

                The U.S. Supreme Court addressed the question of whether the U.S. Constitution protects the right to die in 1990 in the case of Cruzan v. Missouri, 497 U.S. 261.  In the words of Time magazine, in this case the U.S. Supreme Court "declared for the first time that there is indeed a right to die" (July 9, 1990, p. 59).  Of the nine justices, all except Justice Scalia acknowledged the right to die is a federal constitutional right.  In his concurring opinion, Justice Scalia argued vigorously against the reasoning of the majority and dissenting opinions, both of which acknowledged the right of self-determination is a constitutional right and that it includes the right to die.  Justice Scalia opposed the view of the other eight justices, arguing vigorously against what he called the right to commit suicide.  But in this respect he stood alone on the Court.
             
  Since the rationale of these cases is that people have a right of self-determination that includes the right to die, they support my assertion that suicide is a civil right even though, at present, the right to die has been upheld only in cases involving physically ill or disabled people who are conscious enough to express their desire to die or who when healthy enough to express an opinion indicated death is what he or she would want in the circumstances.  In fact, this justification is probably in many cases a mere excuse or rationalization to cover up the real reason.  If the sole reason for permitting death was the desire of the ill or disabled person, involuntary psychiatric commitment of suicidal people would not take place.  A bona-fide but unacknowledged reason ill or disabled people are allowed to deliberately end their lives is they have become a burden to other people.  In other words, just as able-bodied suicidal people are incarcerated for their own supposed benefit (to prevent them from committing suicide) when the real reason is selfish concerns of others, people with severe, permanent disability or incurable disease are allowed to die for their own supposed benefit when a real but unacknowledged purpose is to relieve others ("society") of the burden of caring for them.  However, the reasoning of judicial opinions upholding the right to die emphasize personal autonomy and self-determination as the basis for the decision and therefore support my opinion that each person is the sole owner of himself or herself, of his or her own body, and of his or her own life.  They support my opinion that the right to commit suicide is a civil right.
             
  If you are a legislator who supports the right of self-ownership you should introduce legislation to delete references to "dangerousness to oneself" in your state's psychiatric commitment laws.  If you are a judge deciding questions of constitutional law, you should strike down as unconstitutional laws that imprison ("hospitalize") people only for supposed dangerousness or harm to oneself.  Whoever you are, you should respect the autonomy of all of your fellow men and women whose conduct does not unlawfully harm others.
THE AUTHOR, Lawrence Stevens, is a lawyer whose practice has included representing psychiatric "patients".  His pamphlets are not copyrighted.  You are free to make copies for distribution to those you think will benefit.

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