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Okay as everyone knows this site is not censored like Zaretsky's .

I have read some very heavy accusations about Kruglik ,Roy and Rosenberg (I think I know Rosenberg :grin:ark hair ,thin face with many acne pock marks and an older fellow 24 plus years old  in 76.Is this the same person that you all remember )He was at 6 as a resident when I was in elan  (74 to 76)Meet him in 76 if its the same person . Dark Brooding man ?

Kruglik said he was a mongol Russian .He is not an Indian . I know him too darn well and thought he was a very sick person at one point (Chuck might agree with me ).

Since I feel that these are very heavy accusations , I would hope that you annon people will contact these people with your thoughts ( Complaints ):Buzz Kastuck  Phone # (207 )624-6776 is an investigator that works for the Dept of Human services ,Education part

Yellow Light Breen (this is really the mans name ) # (207) 624-6620 . Be persistant he is a very hard man to get a hold of . He is the Top dog of the Education Dept .(the receptionist answers commisioners office .)

Let him know of these thoughts and your complaints .I do not have a way of verifying these accusations nor can I do anything about them (sorry ) They are serious enough that I hope you all will follow thru .

Feel free to post your thoughts as to what you all felt your response to your complaints were !

It is important that you all do this . It has been my opinion that kruglik ,Gottlieb , McCann And Zaretzky are serious sick people who have caused major trauma to many individuals .

Please contact these people ,They have graduated from college and Buzz has a P.hd .

Yeah why was it buried in the back pages (lifestyles),where the wedding announcements are located , mothers and grandmothers read that part of the paper.Sure it was on the front of that section ,yet it should have been on the front page ....Why ....

Mr. St John can you give us an answer ?

Also since there is overwhelming evidence that coercive therapy ,based on negative reinforcement (as well as the many other nasty techniques that elan used)are really more destructive  than good ....How come none of this was mentioned ?

If you could give answers that would be great .(providing of course you won't get in trouble with your bosses for doing so .

Wouldn't you agree Mr. Mike Sweeney of the Greenwich Time that we deserve answers.Surely you remember my letter (that Mr. Jackman Wilson of the Registar Guard in Eugene Or.)faxed to you ,back in 1-27-00 (or around then .

This was the same letter that I read to Mr. Shannon Aldridge of NBC news .Whats going on guys really i want some answers please .

Yeah in my opinion the king sadist was Joe Ricci (he took the easy way out and no longer dances on this planet )

Followed by Peter McCann (who I believe also no longer dances on this planet )

Followed by Gerald Davidson (who also no longer dances on this planet)

Followed by Martin Kruglik( he still walks amongst us and was the fellow with dark hair standing up in the front of the room in the dateline Nov 2000 tape . He is also quoted from the witness stand in the New yorker in an article written by J. Toobin as saying that Elan is not brutal) In my opinion a big FAT lie ) the issue 7-3-00.

Followed by Jeff Gottlieb ( still alive and once told the residents when asked  what would he be doing if he was not a director at Elan .His answer was that he would be selling shoes, which is what he should have been doing in the first place.

Followed by Ken -"I thought Joe Ricci was a God" Zaretzky (who still walks amongst us and has actually got an online version of Elan .In my opinion ,Zaretzky from my many nasty experiences with him a perverted ,pathological ,true sociopath who plays both sides of the fence in his many quotes about Elan .Details magazine october issue and the Duck Book.

These were the sick demented minds that in my opinion are responsible  for many people
being dead ,in prison ,and being emotional cripples after having come in contact with the Elan program from 74 to 76 .

Sorry  these computers sometimes bogle my mind .

It is sad that a man gets rewarded for abusing children (ambassadorship to Italy) in this day and age.

Yet I would also like to point out that Joe Ricci who split from Day Top Village to found The Elan Corp.ran for Gov.of Maine on the democratic ticket, Not once But twice.Thank God he lost .

Also something else we (the residents  at Elan ) also gave speaking Engagements about Elan to various schools in the real Community.

This was a way to further our re-education and make us feel that the abuse (insane physical and psychological abuse)was good for us and that we needed this type of treatment.(of course there were certain things that we could not talk about "because the real world would not understand") Pure brainwashing at its finest

Generally people that went on these false propaganda excursions were within 4 or 5 months of Graduating from the program .These were very well rehearsed  before we were sent into the real community as I am sure were Straights.

Hmm it seems that we have more in common than just Elan .My father disowned me when I was 9 years old .For my 7th christmas he gave me sticks and stones in my stocking for christmas (for being an evil kid) and no presents, nothing else. He shaved my head when I was 10 (just in time for 4th grade to begin ) and I can tell you kids are pretty cruel at that age .The beatings that I recieved(from my dad) were from another planet . The emotional abuse was equally on par with the beatings .



You would think that my father was a ditch digger ,yet he was a highly trained Doctor whose speciality was ob/gyn. He speaks 5 languages fluently and came to this country from South Africa .(a racist like nobodies business ). It use to blow my mind that women actually went to him ,then again they didn't know .



When my father came to this country in the early 50's he was a homosexual (he still is ) yet he felt that in order to suceed as a doctor he had to have the image of a hetrosexual .The family image ,we,  were simply personal effects just like a watch or stethoscope .



I believe that he was so brutal a human being because he was living the ultimate lie .Yet I aslo know that he really enjoyed hurting me,and that makes him a sadist.



The only good thing out of this was that he taught me how not to be a Father .You see I have a son and well the things that my son is teaching me is simply amazing .I think my dad really missed out



In march of 2000 I called him up after not having talked to him for 21+years .I t was a a very empowering phonecall because I forgave him .You see deep down in my heart I realize that even though dad speaks 5 languages and helped pioneer laprascopic surgery  in the early 70's is that he is a very sick man .I just happened to draw him out of the deck of father cards .



He had to lie to elan to get me in there in 1974 and it really is a shame on elan for not realizing that something was very rotten and it was not me .



At a confrence concerning abusive therapuetic communities someone made the comment that my father prepared me for the really sick crap that went down as therapy

at elan .Even though it is sorta funny they really have no idea how true it was .



There was 2 other kids that i felt had it worse, that I met at elan .1 was raped repeated by their father and the other kid 's mother use to tie him to a heating radiator and beat him .



Elan told me that I had it good .And that i should respect my father because he was so smart .



It is true that there were a lot of Doctors that did horrible things to people in the concentration camps in germany .Yet when these men came home to their families they were loving fathers . It was reversed in my house .



Sorry you all have to read this ,and remember I have really survived certain pains of hell .



I wonder though is it because of me or is it because the human being is a very adaptable creature ? Or if there really is a God .



It was't easy after leaving elan because of the things that went down there . And I really do not know how I have managed to not commit suicide lord knows i tried during elan and after elan (3 times )I can certainly tell you suicide is not the answer . If you suceed then Elan wins again and there is one less voice to stand up and say that that place was wrong with what they did to people



Matthiam







[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2002-01-19 17:10 ]

Anyone out there know about Obsidian Trails of Oregon ?

It was in the Registar Guard (the news paper of Eugene ,Oregon) in 2000 or 2001 a child died as a result of being restrained by having people sit on him .Wondering if anyone has heard of this place .

Sorry I can't be more spacific about the year this incident happened.

Matt

Tommy from Hyde .I got out of Elan  in july of 76.



I ended up going to a really cool school for my senior year. That school was Waynefleet School (off of spring street in Portland ) I graduated in june of 77 .Have you heard of this school?,I believe that Waynefleet use to play Hyde in sports. Did Hyde have a soccer field that had many holes in it ?



There were 13 people in my senior class 2 former Elan residents and a fellow from Hyde who was from Bath named Todd Prower (probably rusty on the spelling and my yearbook is not close at hand).Is this name familar to you ?



Todd and I talked about Hyde a little bit. I am lucky to have graduated from this highschool,(considering how poor the quasi education that was hastily put together for the younger residents by Elan).I should say the lack of education at the time proffered by Elan in my opinion was down right stunting. (since Elan was starting to take in minors with the adults ,Elan had to provide school for us to comply with state laws )



Elan's version of school did not begin until much later in  74 afterall it was a behavior modifacation center based on negative (in my opinion) reinforcement not a school by any stretch of the imagination.





[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2002-01-16 19:01 ]

Elan is still in business.They are located in Poland Springs ,Maine (administration office ) I do not know when they became a school,when I was there it was known as the Elan One Corp.When I left there (from '74 to '76) I recieved a piece of paper (quasi diploma) stating that I graduated from the Elan Two Corp. of Waterford Maine.

Gerald E. Davidson signed it as the Medical Director and Joe Ricci signed it as the Therapeutic Director. I still have this piece of paper.

Elan was in my opinion a very brutal and sick place that mixed hardcore heroin addicts and alcoholics with physically and emotionally abused children . A very bazarre and twisted place.