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So now you're claiming that they've been operating all this time without these positions filled?

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RC was a wilderness only and just recently changed into a boarding school for college preparatory kids who are at-risk. After HLA closed they needed to start over. When a place starts over they need to employ (or re-employee) new ed-cons to refer students to them. They need to employ new people, this takes time to grow the business back to the point where they can afford to hire heads for each department, especially Master leveled employees. Small businesses and businesses starting out are run by the people who start them and they wear several hats for years until the business grows to a point where they can start hiring people to head up various departments which allows the owners to step back a little and manage the business instead of the day to day details.

It appears that RCS has positioned itself to take on more students than it did in 2010. Hiring heads of departments is a very good sign especially in this economy.

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RC has been in operation for close to ten years. They have a long standing existing infrastructure and is in no way "started over" . The only real change was changing the letter head on all the company stationary. Any short comings after all this time is abhorent, and only further adds creedence to the claim that RC is unsafe and should be avoided.

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RC was a wilderness only and just recently changed into a boarding school for college preparatory kids who are at-risk. After HLA closed they needed to start over. When a place starts over they need to employ (or re-employee) new ed-cons to refer students to them. They need to employ new people, this takes time to grow the business back to the point where they can afford to hire heads for each department, especially Master leveled employees. Small businesses and businesses starting out are run by the people who start them and they wear several hats for years until the business grows to a point where they can start hiring people to head up various departments which allows the owners to step back a little and manage the business instead of the day to day details.

It appears that RCS has positioned itself to take on more students than it did in 2010. Hiring heads of departments is a very good sign especially in this economy.



So again you're sticking by the claim that RC has never had these positions filled?

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Whooter wrote:

When businesses are starting out and are small......


Starting out? Whooter RC has been around for years. Furthermore much of the infrastructure of HLA was simply transfered over to RC after we forced Buchi to close up shop. So you're claiming that this entire time RC has been operating without key staff members?

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If you look at the web site and the employees they had last year you would see that these are newly created positions that are opening up. Len is taking a step back from his various hats and hiring new people due to present and anticipated expansion. There is no requirement that they have to hire people, Robert. Adding all these salaried people to their roster is a result of their present growth and preparing for 2011.

I think we can all agree that if they were not doing well then they would be laying off. So we can conclude that they are thriving in this economy and preparing for a prosperous 2011.


They aren't required to have a headmaster? Or an admissions director? What kind of place is this? You're claiming now they've been operating this entire time without these key positions filled?

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So from a finacial perspective, you at best case not including trip expenses broke even. Counting the trip expenses you lost money on the trip.

RC was operating with several positions filled. They then lost the people in those positions either through terminations, layoffs, or the people simply quit. Now they are attempting to refill those same previously filled positions.


3-3+3=3 That is not growth. Stop spinning.

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Whooter if you travel to Vegas head over to the craps table lose $200 the first night, but come back the second and  win $200 the second and then go home, would you say you earned any money as a result of your trip?

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Is this the same marketing tool that's been beaten to death? Unless you have some new information regarding it, it remains usless and invalid as far as fornits is concerned.

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Ridge Creek is actively expanding their employee base for 2011 to meet the growing demand for RCS's services.


This is you attempting to spin a situation to make it look good. They aren't expanding anything, they have numerous vacancies they are required to fill. Growth would be the hiring of additional staff, or creating new positions, this is filling in a hole. Nothing more. There is no growing demand for RC because the truth about this place keeps coming to light.

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Present studies show that 80% of the kids who enter a Therapeutic Boarding School do well and are successful after graduating from the school. Ridge Creek School has shown that their staff has enjoyed a great track record in turning around At-risk youths in as little as 6 months.


Source?

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The fact that it is thriving can be considered testimony that it is providing a service worthy of the price that it demands.

Thriving? What are you basing this on Whooter, and how could you possibly know?

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I disagree. People won't pay high prices if they know they are recieving a crap product. Program owners like Buchi use scare tactics and false advertising to lure lazy/desperate parents in and then provide a useless product. When it doesn't work they simply claim it's the parents/child's fault.

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$175 per day is inexpensive.  

CALO (Change Academy Lake of the Ozarks)

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$250 - $400 per day.


No, just one is more expensive than the other. Would either one of you stay in a Motel 6 for $175.00 a night?

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It is relatively inexpensive compared to what a hospital charges per day.

Harvard will run you about $50,000 which works out to be $5,500 a month (considering a child goes for about 9 months a year.) Link


The tuition at Harvard is 38 thousand and change. The room and board puts the total up to 50. The incidentals aren't being counted at RC, so for this we shouldn't count them at Harvard. Either way however the total is less than Ridge Creek, and by far much less abusive.

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Here are the results of some random searches for average costs of hospital stays per day: I didnt differentiate between critical and non-critical


You did earlier. Obviously there's a huge difference between critical and non critical and the cost associated between them.

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I had a relative in Hazeldon for over a year. The first month or so was close to a $1,000 a day and then after stabilization it drops down to maybe half that. (out of pocket)


Rehab is far more effective, and isn't coerced. If a person stays for long enough then eventually the cost will exceed RC, but they're still going to get more for their money.

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I think we would have to know what the guys expenses are and how much the school can afford to absorb. I am sure it would be a combination of both, but we both know that added costs are usually passed off to the consumer.


After paying almost six grand a month? Why shouldn't he take a cut? I mean what are these parents paying for right now anyway?

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I dont know what the schools costs and expenses are, so I could not answer that. The schools charge about $150/day. A hospital non critical stay is $1,000 to 2,000 per day. So relatively speaking these schools are fairly inexpensive. Hazeldon (rehab) in Minnesota can cost upwards of $1,000 a day.

The school actually charges $170 a day with a $5,300.00 per month tuition. If you consider that inexpensive then I would question your understanding of basic financies. A year tuition at RC would come to $63,600.00 not including incidentals. Incidentally a year at Harvard would run you about half of that, and you'd benefit far more and not be abused.

I'd be interested in seeing some source citing your claim of of $1,000-$2,000 per day for a non critical stay at a hospital. Keep in mind even if that is true, factor how much a person is paying out of pocket expensive once their medical insurance kicks in.

Hazeldon is very expensive, however it's much more effective, much less abusive, isn't coerced, and doesn't last nearly as long and therefore doesn't cost as much as RC.

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But I do agree that they need to figure out how to keep these kids safe and get some night staff in even if it means passing off the cost to the parents.

What if instead of passing it off to parents, Buchi took a slightly smaller cut? I can tell you first hand from the year I spent locked up in HLA, that very little is actually spent on the kids. The place is a dump and every corner that can be cut is.

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