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The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 18, 2004, 07:35:00 PM »
:wave:  :wave:  :wave:
Happy Holidays to All !!!!
I am forever grateful for this forum as well

Thank you Greg and Antigen

And to all who bring back my fading memory.

                          Lot's of Love,
                          Richard

And a Happy New Year !
Despite Bush being in the White House

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The Seed Discussion Forum / MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!
« on: November 01, 2004, 09:28:00 PM »
I was also in the Seed when it was in a small house  in ft laud back in 70  71?  and Art basically ran that out of his own pocket with small donations,  so what if Art was able to get grants and donations, Art was of service to his fellow man , and he brought together a community to help, and thank God for the generousity of all those people. Isn't that what its all about ?  Greg, you always want to put an evil spin on things. I wish I could be half the man  Art is . You should ask yourself ,  What are you doing to help humanity?  If you are responsible for putting this forum together, I really want to thank you,  but I totally disagree with you on how it was.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!
« on: October 30, 2004, 10:15:00 PM »
My family had no money, and Art  took me in
with open arms, if my family had been doing better, I am sure something would have been
asked of them.  The Seed needed all the help it could get and thank God for the people that could afford to help . I knew  several people that had no money and the Seed never turned them away. And thats the truth . I do remember a couple of people of color in the Seed. South
florida at that time was pretty white and segregated, I came remember a very small area in Hollywood where Afro Americans lived
and in Davie it was like only a 4 block area.
But now that it was mentioned, the Seed was pretty white.  But lets face it, it was the location.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Anniversaries
« on: October 28, 2004, 02:17:00 AM »
Robin,
         I started the program march of 73 on SR84  3I years ago , glad to hear life  is good for you,
Where do yo live in CA ?
People forget how crazy the times were back then,  I needed the Seed , I ran from the seed twice ,  they called me by phone and asked me back, because they knew I was confused and desperate and probably not going to survive. I needed that call. That call came , and it saved my life. They accepted me back with open arms. I am forever grateful to Art and  Shelly & staff
We sat in the same meetings if you went to the Seed on SR84 73 to 74
Where did you live in florida?, I lived in hollywood before I went to the seed.  We probably crossed paths hitchhiking about.


It's nice to know some people from the Seed live in California.

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GregFL
             I live in Los Angeles since
1976. I think we were in different programs,
I remember tough love when needed,  the group even came down on me at times and I learned a lot from it. I never saw anything like what you have discribed.

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No, I was never a staff member,  but I was asked to stay on, but I decided to move to California and start a new life.  To be a staff member   was such an unselfish act and I was not ready for that, and my hat goes off to those who choose to help others
unconditionally.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Art Barker & the Beginning of the SEED
« on: October 14, 2004, 06:26:00 PM »
Thanks for sharing your story about the reunion,  I have nothing but love in my heart for Art and Shelly and  staff members.  May they live long healthy lives.

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Everything I learned in the Seed were positive life affirming lessons, I am  grateful for the Seed   for giving me these gifts at  an early age.  It is so great to hear from people who remember  the Seed for  the great work they did.  Art  and all the staff  were heros, working endless hours to help us get through some rough times.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Seed Psychology
« on: October 09, 2004, 06:13:00 PM »
I agree with you 100%  The Seed help set me on the road with tools I still use to this day. I know there are some people on this site that want to see only the bad.  If the Seed was such a cult,
What was it's intentions? I believe the Seed's intentions were to help save lives, and with the good and bad I am honored to have been a part of it.

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Antigen,
               To compare the Seed  to the
hologaust is beyond my believe, do you not understanfd the horror the jews have suffered.
I have never heard anyone form the hologaust talk about how it  saved thier  lives. I do unstand you had problems being at the Seed, but many of us got the message and got on with our lives. i am sure you did not mean it to that extreme, I hope .....  
Besides I am not a Seed lifer, I am just grateful and have good memories of what it did for me and it was'nt always easy.

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I can relate, nice to here what you had to say.
It gave me a good foundation to work with as well.
We all had a unique experience and it is a great forum to hear the good and the bad,  I do believe The Seed was started with love and good intentions, and if one life was saved it was worth it, but I know many lives were saved.  what year were you there?

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I know singing those sappy songs were ridiculous, I basically just moved my mouth.
That one took a while for me to get use to.
It certainly was a way to break the big ego.
The road to recovery....

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Physical Symptoms
« on: September 26, 2004, 11:43:00 AM »
I left the Seed  around 1975 and moved to California.

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the seed got me a job with other seedlings and i learned to work hard show up in time  something I could never do prior ,and actually save money for a car. I shared apartments with several seedlings and we had a ball, and yes we listened rock and roll and
I even let my hair grow back and ocasionally some one would make a comment about my hair, but they didn't  try to force me to cut it,  at this point I was an oldtimer.  I also made very close friends with a family that I lived with and they were very supportive, we are still friends to this day. I traveled the country in a pinto with a female seedling friend and that was a great experience, we even fought occasionally, but we never had to use over it. Art asked me to stay on as a staff member and even offered to help me get to art school, I just was not ready at the time and said no.  It took me 11 years later to get to art school on my own, oh well, I wasn't ready.  coulder woulder shoulder.  The seed knew me better then I even realized, even when you think no one knew you, they seemed to know what you needed.   Art is a great man and may he remain well.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Physical Symptoms
« on: September 25, 2004, 10:54:00 PM »
Greg,
 Is what you are saying is using drugs had nothing to do with  there weakness , in fact you almost sound like you are saying they  used drugs because of the Seed. You know that old saying, " you can't bullshit a bullshitter", well you and I know we can all get one over on a phychologist. But we couldn't  put one over on our peers,   . The power of the seed was us all sharing similar problems and we really could not get one over on each other, been down that. Art  let that process work on it's own. People who choose not to remain clean ,did so on there own.  They are solely responsible for themselves, The Seed offered some  strict guidance for a few months out of our lives.  YOU GOT IT OR YOU DIDN'T.  I slipped after a couple of years, but never to the level I did when I came into the seed , and I never felt  quilty about it.. After a few years of wasting my  live and remembering what the Seed has taught me (I know that makes you cringe) I rebounded and it has been 19 years . Remember drugs were everywhere and it was part of our generation , that was part of the real problem.  I do keep in touch with a few  seedling from the past and they drink  and whatever, and they seem happy enough to me. Who am I to judge, that's what works for them. We talk occasionally about the old days at the seed, and discuss the good and the bad have a few laughs, but over all we had good memories .

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