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The Troubled Teen Industry / Ken Kay on BBC World Service
« on: October 02, 2004, 06:22:00 AM »
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On 2004-10-01 16:52:00, suspended heart wrote:

"Hi Kiwi,



I checked out the site you listed for the bbc. I assume you mean the radio show will be aired on Thursday Oct. 7th? not yesterday.

For that time slot I see weekday magazine, ordinary people, extraordinary events. No specifics on TB.



Thanks for the info."

No, it was broadcast last Thursday.  As Ginger said, you can listen to it online.  Just click "Listen to Thursday's Edition".  If you do not already have it you will need to download a free player from http://www.real.com.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Ken Kay on BBC World Service
« on: October 01, 2004, 04:34:00 PM »
... with a program parent and three kids:

http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/outlook_peo.shtml#thu

At least two of the kids were trying to put a positive spin on TB, "it saved my life", but Kay dismissed them as liars because they told the truth about 'restraint'.  The one who had her jaw broken and was on her third operation to repair it would have had a hard time putting a positive spin on her experience.

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http://http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2421205

Legislator seeks oversight of schools with Utah ties
Overseas facilities: The California congressman cites allegations of abuse in asking for more scrutiny
By Robert Gehrke
The Salt Lake Tribune
 
WASHINGTON - A California congressman urged Secretary of State Colin Powell on Thursday to apply additional scrutiny of several overseas schools for troubled teens run by a southern Utah company.
    ?I am very concerned about the adequacy of existing policies of the U.S. State Department for assessing serious allegations of improper conduct towards American children in overseas facilities,? wrote Rep. George Miller, the senior Democrat on the House Education Committee.
    Miller said there have been hundreds of alleged incidents of abuse, overcrowding, malnutrition and inadequate medical care at the schools operated by the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS).
    Miller's letter comes after Mexican authorities ordered the closure of one of the schools, Casa By the Sea, in Ensenada, Mexico, on Sept. 11 after finding unacceptable conditions during a site visit.
    In the past, governments in Samoa, Costa Rica, and the Czech Republic took similar actions after complaints of inhumane   treatment and inadequate care.
    The WWASPS network has eight more schools remaining in the United States and abroad, where parents can pay roughly $3,000 a month to have their rebellious teenagers taught in a rigorously structured environment.
    WWASPS is based in St. George and headed by Robert Lichfield whose business associates and family members have contributed more than $1 million to political candidates since 2001.
    In addition to asking for an explanation of the State Department's policy regarding inspection of the facilities and inspection records, Miller asked to what extent the department coordinates with foreign governments and for copies of correspondence with WWASPS officials.
   State Department spokesman Steve Pike said recently there is little the government can do since the schools are private businesses operating outside the country.
    Miller has written two earlier letters to Attorney General John Ashcroft requesting a Justice Department investigation into WWASPS and its founders. The Justice Department   said it lacked the authority to investigate facilities abroad, but referred Miller's concerns to the U.S. Attorney in Utah, which passed the matter to the local FBI office.
    Efforts by state officials to regulate the WWASPS programs in Utah were scuttled during the last legislative session, as senior House members helped smother the bill in the House Rules Committee.
   Opponents of the bill received large contributions from Lichfield following the session, including House Speaker Marty Stephens, who was given   $30,000 for his gubernatorial race.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Brat Camp at Sociopranos
« on: October 01, 2004, 04:47:00 AM »
BTW, if this turns out to be permanent, I have the whole thread saved.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Brat Camp at Sociopranos
« on: October 01, 2004, 04:45:00 AM »
It's not just Brat Camp; it's the whole site.  I've known it to be down for lengthy periods before but never this long.

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Thayer Learning Center / scares or bruses? ABC wants to know
« on: September 28, 2004, 05:13:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-24 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was told by the ABC news desk that they have been "looking at" at doing a story on abuse and neglect in Large Behavior modification Programs; but they need proof; scared and brused kids and or documentation of such."


This boy lost two teeth.

http://http://www.nospank.net/n-k52.htm

'He was not drinking or taking drugs, said his mother, Lisa Todd. He was "just immature." She said Colin had two teeth knocked loose by a staff member's fist and spent at least eight months in the isolation room. "They are very physically severe in Jamaica," she said. "For sure, they did things they couldn't do in America." But, she added, "I do think the program helps a lot of families that are desperate and don't know where to turn."'

There doesn't seem to be any dispute how he lost his teeth and his mother seems to approve.  What kind of psychopath thinks it is alright to knock her son's teeth out?  She must think he deserved it.  After all what a heinous crime for a youngster to commit: being immature.

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Web forum hosting / Problem with search WWF function
« on: September 27, 2004, 02:05:00 PM »
I can help you with the second question.  Use the HTML <i> tag.  For example, if you type:

<i>This bit is italicized</i> and this bit is not.

you get:

This bit is italicized and this bit is not.

As for the search function, I have always found it a bit flaky.

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granny19, get another lawyer.

Check out the hash Tom Burton made of the suit against SAFE:
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?forum=12&topic=1680

Every one of the lawsuits he has pursued against WWASP has failed, not because of the substantive issues but because of technicalities that he should have had covered.  Don't even think of asking him to represent you in Utah: the courts do not recognize him there.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Falling for CULTS
« on: September 21, 2004, 12:28:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-21 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Came across one called LIFESPRINGS.  It reads like a STRAIGHT for grown ups, made me gag.

Thea"

Unfortunately there is a teen derivative: Resource Realizations / Premier Education / WWASP

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The Troubled Teen Industry / WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT?
« on: September 21, 2004, 09:23:00 AM »
Not only does InfoWest share a zip code with WWASP but a search on its registration reveals that the InfoWest name has been recycled four times.  Sound familiar?  The name is somewhat reminiscent of SkyWest too isn't it?

[ This Message was edited by: Kiwi on 2004-09-21 06:30 ]

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The Troubled Teen Industry / WWASPS Class Action Lawsuit
« on: September 14, 2004, 06:11:00 AM »
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On 2004-09-13 23:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I?d like to possibly join the Class Action lawsuit against WWASPS. How can I get more info on this?"

Contact one of the law firms handling it.

Huron Maki & Johnson LLP: http://http://www.huronlaw.com
Masry & Vititoe: http://http://www.masryvititoe.com

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The Troubled Teen Industry / National Newspaper Looking
« on: September 14, 2004, 05:25:00 AM »
And another thing: who said anything about the WSJ?  Anon 3, what is your connection to Anon 1?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Any information is appreciated
« on: September 14, 2004, 05:13:00 AM »
This is a partial repeat of my reply on another post but what the hell ...

Programs (and I am thinking in particular of WWASP post-Casa) use this technique to trawl for dissaffected parents so they can get their lawyers to write threatening letters to them or slap them with injunctions before they can speak out.  Be careful what you reveal about yourself.

[email protected], assuming you are genuine, be aware that you will be inundated by program parents trying to sell you their program (possibly for commission).  Just because there are many of them does not mean what they say is true.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / National Newspaper Looking
« on: September 14, 2004, 05:06:00 AM »
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On 2004-09-13 19:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"For true stories on programs for "troubled teens" and or "struggling teens" out of country, wants to know what they are like, what oversight if any, the horror stories.  If you are intersted post your email address here with a bit of your story.  This is the only way we can change things....for the better, parents need to wake up."

Don't want to seem paranoid but it's not a good idea to post your email address.  At the very best it will invite spam.  Programs (and I am thinking in particular of WWASP post-Casa) use this technique to trawl for dissaffected parents so they can get their lawyers to write threatening letters to them or slap them with injunctions before they can speak out.

If Anon 1 is kosher he/she can post their own email address (if they have a good spam filter) which is recognisable as a newpaper.  They could also post the name of the paper, a physical address, a listed phone number and the name of the reporter.

As for [email protected], who are you?  Not the original poster apparently.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / kids released!
« on: September 12, 2004, 04:03:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-12 12:33:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"DOES ANYONE HAVE A URL LINK TO A NEWS WEBSITE?

Baja raids shut boarding schools for U.S. teens
http://http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20040911-9999-1m11raid.html

Schools close, send teens back to U.S.
http://http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0912teens12.html

Hundreds of teens return to US after schools closed in Mexico
http://http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2288786

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