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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 17, 2010, 02:42:14 PM »
Looks like that one hit a little too close to home.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 17, 2010, 11:07:19 AM »
Someone else should probably do this for their program.  

Milieu Control.  - Doors to our cabins locked from the outside.  We could only leave the cabin with the rest of our group or for special purposes like seeing a nurse.  Traveling anywhere (like to the cafeteria or school building) required linig up heel-toe and counting off, marching in formation to the destination, and counting off again.  Communication was restricted to letters which could only be sent to our parents' address.  Phone calls were rare, monitored, and could only be made to parents.  Communication within the facility was limited to those who had earned the privelege.  Writing notes or speaking in a foreign language were severe offenses.

Mystical Manipulation. - Many (all) of the games and activities in the LGATs were rigged to prove some kind of point to us.  Not sure if this quite counts as 'mystical' but it was certainly manipulative.
Demand for Purity - Working/not working, Accountable/victim.  In agreement/out of agreement.  We had hundreds of petty rules that had to be followed at all times.
Confession. -  Every day.  You must confess all of your rule violations.  Are you out of agreement?  Better 'fess up now (or someone else will do it for you, and there are even harsher consequences)  Confess your sins in the program, confess your sins BEFORE the program.  Just how much of a terrible son/parent were you?  Tell us all about it!

Sacred Science. They held themselves out as the ONLY people with the answers to self improvement/enlightenment.  Without them, we'd be dead or in jail!  Disagreement in the LGATs/seminars was not tolerated and was grounds for "Choosing out" which is how they described being kicked out.  "Choosing" is "accountable" language.
Loading the Language. - "There is no such thing as right and wrong - only what works and doesn't work." "Based on your results you have exactly what you intended."  "Nothing can change when you are comfortable." "What you create in the seminar is a mirror of your life." "Victims feel trapped and powerless.  Victims are at effect.  Accountable people are free and empowered.  Accountable people are at cause."  "There are no large or small agreements, only large and small consequences."
Doctrine over person. - One of the first exercises the LGAT facilitator did was ask us to raise our hands if we believed that we would have been able to get into college had we not gone to thr program.  Anyone who raised their hand was browbeaten and many of these kids were forced to tears.  The program was the one solution to everyone's problems and everybody had those problems.

Dispensing of existence. - This is something that was done more heavily on the parents.  They were told how important it was to complete all of the seminars and keep their cihldren in the program until they 'graduated'. People who decided to pull their children out early were mocked and marginalized by the staff and facilitators.  There were plenty of Newspeak pejoratives for people who disagreed with any element of their doctrine or did not believe any portion of it applied to them.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 17, 2010, 10:37:33 AM »
You asked about how communication was restricted in another thread.  This also comes from the parent manual, which I will attach.

Kids could go several months with their only link to the outside world being letters mailed to their parents.  All phone calls were made with a staff member present listening to both sides on speakerphone. They would be disconnected immediately if anything considered "manipulation" was said.  Kids did not make this mistake twice.

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COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR CHILD

Your child and you may correspond by mail as often as you each desire. Phone calls, as stated in the Enrollment Agreement (see Item #13), are a privilege that your child must earn by attaining Level 3 status. This usually takes 1- 3 months, but is an important and necessary process. Your child will appreciate phone calls to you much more, when your adolescent has to work hard to earn them. Phone calls any earlier in your child’s progress would be destructive as the student then becomes more preoccupied with trying to convince parents that he or she should be taken out of the Program rather than focusing on working the Program. Even when phone calls are permitted they are short and not too frequent (once or twice a month). This helps keep the cost down for the parents, as all calls, as stated in the enrollment agreement, are on a collect basis, plus, all phone calls require a substantial amount of effort and logistics to complete. Again, it is critical that your child earn the phone privilege, otherwise we are all short changing progress. Please do not ask us to make an exception!!! This is totally unfair to the other students and their parents. You can imagine all of the students asking “why does Tom get to make a phone call and I don’t” or “don’t my parents want to talk to me on the phone as badly as Tom’s parents want to talk to him on the phone”. This creates such a problem that we put right in the enrollment agreement (see Item #13) that no phone calls are allowed before the student earns Level 3 and have graduated Focus. Once the student has earned the phone privilege, the student is not allowed to call anyone other than his or her parents unless specific permission is requested by the parents, and granted by the Program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 17, 2010, 10:15:38 AM »
http://http://www.teenswithproblems.com/treatment.html#warranty

If I find a document with this on it I will scan it for you.  This is from one of their (many) marketing websites.

If you would like a glimpse of the 'loaded language' and 'doctrine over person' check out this detailed account of one of the WWASP parent seminars: http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/wwasps/krbean.pdf

Here is the introduction to the parent manual, describing how to ignore your child's complaints.  This probably serves as a decent example of how parents are convinced not to trust their children's letters.  I'm sure I said nearly all of these things at one point.

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Dear Parents:

Let me introduce myself. My name is Cameron Pullan. I started working with teens eight years
ago with the YMCA Program. Five years ago, I continued this line of work as a Residential
Manager for Spring Creek Lodge, LaVerkin, Utah, in addition to Psych-Technician work at
Brightway Adolescent Hospital. I then accepted the position of Director of Spring Creek Lodge
in November of 1996. I am excited about our Program. The setting is ideal for teens needing a
change in their lives. We have an excellent process for growth and we, as a staff, are committed
to your child's success. Let me outline what you can expect over the next few months.
When your child first comes to Spring Creek, there is usually a “honeymoon” period. The scenery
is beautiful; breathtaking mountains and rivers. However, when your child sees that the Program
has high attitude/behavior expectations, a firm set of rules and an insistence that he make
appropriate changes, the “honeymoon” is over. While no two situations are the same, the Student
will then usually go through several phases. Let me outline some of them:

Denial Phase - This is typified by statements like:
   “I can’t believe you did this to me”
   “I don’t belong here”
   “I’m not learning anything, all they do is babysit me”
   “The kids here have problems much worse than mine”
   “They have criminals, kooks, and drug addicts here”

Guilt Trip Phase - This is typified by statements like:
   “If you really loved me, you would bring me home”
   “You don’t know how terrible it is here, or you would get me out”
   "I'm going to starve, the food is disgusting"
   “No one cares about me, the staff do whatever they want to me”
   “I’m treated like a prisoner”
   “You can’t believe the staff, they will say anything to keep me here”
   “The others here are a totally bad influence on me, you should hear what they talk
about”

Anger Phase - This is typified by statements like:
   “If you ever want to see me again, you had better get me out of here”
   “You’ll wish you had never done this to me”
   “I don’t want to be your child anymore”

Negotiation Phase - This is typified by statements like:
   “If you bring me home, I promise there won’t be anymore problems”
   “We can work out our problems better at home as a
family, we can all go to therapy together”
   "If I work hard, will you take me home by_______________"
   “I’m willing to work on my problems but can’t I do it at a different Program, one that will help me.”

The agenda in each of these phases is to work on your emotions in hopes that you will take your
child out of the Program, this way he doesn’t have to go through the long hard process of making
changes. We can certainly all understand why a Student will try any or all of these manipulations
first. This is a tough Program, the food isn't as good as the "home cooked" meals you have
provided them, the accommodations aren't nearly as comfortable as your home, the setting is rustic
and isolated; yet, these are some of the very reasons that the Program is impacting enough to be
effective. We have found that if the Parents and the Program remain strong in their resolve that the
student must make changes, the student will finally reach the Acceptance Phase.

The Acceptance Phase is where the Student finally realizes and accepts that he is here until he
makes the necessary changes. Then and only then will the Program begin to work for your child.
Let’s work together to that end!

Sincerely,

CAMERON PULLAN
Director

Notice how they mix some very serious allegations in with complaining about the food, equating them.

I will work through each of Lifton's criteria in another post.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why do programmies have to lie?
« on: October 17, 2010, 08:48:30 AM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
If you want to discuss issues in the TTI forum then watch your mouth. There is no reason for vulgarity or calling people names.

Maybe it's just the limits of vocabulary, Danny.  I'm searching for a better description but I really just can't think of one.  Let me know if you can help me out with word choice here.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why do programmies have to lie?
« on: October 16, 2010, 06:54:08 PM »
The obvious answer is because they don't believe those things.  They lie because they have to.  Pretty fucking sick.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 16, 2010, 01:41:53 PM »
Or, as Psy stated: This exactly.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 16, 2010, 01:37:55 PM »
The idea is to limit the range of potential actions to those which are acceptable to the program.  Do that long enough and it becomes hard to remember it being any other way.  I had a hard time adjusting to freedom ( and still do ). Remember, these people are mostly in the business of scamming parents out of money and NOT in it to actually help teens.  They only need to create the superficial compliance required to graduate from the program and fool parents into thinking they have performed some kind of miracle.  What this does to the child is of absolutely no concern to them.

Their methods are good at gaining compliance within the structure of the program (and the pseudo-program they teach parents to implement once the child returns) and not much else.  My program even had a warranty.  If you were unsatisfied with your teen up to a year after they returned home you could send them back and get 3 more months free of charge.  They approach teen behavior modification as if they were baking a pizza.  You wouldn't want to take it out before it's done, would you?  After 18 months of being conditioned to do nothing but follow orders and do what is expected kids come out as the perfect, obedient children their parents always dreamed of.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 15, 2010, 02:41:41 PM »
Oh, probably the most important: GROUP.

Every day we did group.  Group was similar to the Synanon game.  I'm pretty sure this is done in every program.

We would sit in a circle and the facilitator would pick a few people to put on the spot each day.  They would then have to stand in the center of the circle in the "feedback position" (arms/shoulders open, palms outward) to receive "feedback" from other lower level students in the "family", upper level students who "worked" our "family" each day, and the family rep/facilitator.  We were told the point of feedback was not to insult or hurt us but.. that's exactly what it was.  Feedback had to begin with "My experience of you is.." because everyone's experience is valid and cannot be argued with.  Of course "My experience of you is you're a little bitch who lies all the time." is perfectly acceptable during group.  This is essentially what every group session turned into.  Students the family rep decided were underperforming for any reason were put on the spot regularly in this way.  Not giving good enough feedback was grounds for being put on the spot yourself so whenever someone was chosen kids would line up to be first to tear him up.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How Was Compliance Gained?
« on: October 15, 2010, 02:33:49 PM »
I was in a WWASP program a few years ago.  I haven't read the others posts here yet.

Soon after you first arrive you are shown a "Commitment letter" that your parents have signed stating they pledge to keep you in the program for 12 months to however long the staff deem necessary to complete the program.  Communication was restricted to letters.  The program told parents to write letters of encouragement to "work the program" and not even respond to anything negative as it was just "manipulation".  Of course the first thing kids do when they realize what the program is really like is try to inform their parents of what a terrible place it is so convincing kids their parents don't care and will keep them there no matter what is the most important step in gaining compliance.

Students entered at "level 2" with something like 100 points.  It was easy to keep those points if you decided to be compliant, and very easy to lose them if you decided to show any level of resistance.  You could only talk to someone else if your points added up to 4 so level 1s could not talk to other level 1s or to level 2s without a level 3 or above present.  This had the effect of completely isolating someone who had decided to resist from everyone except upper level students who had either decided to fake it or had bought into the program ( these kind could be really sadistic).  Staying on level 1 for an extended period was asking to be harassed by upper levels & your family rep. So, you would have to become compliant to have any social contact at all. Your level and the number of consequences you got each week were what the family rep reported to your parents each week to show your "progress" so staying in a state of resistance was bad for them.  

The official "consequence" at the time I was in the program usually meant going to "worksheets" and spending hours writing essays about what you did wrong and why, etc. before you could leave the building.  I never had to do this so I can't tell you what that was like but it was time-consuming and even the most resistant kids never spent more than a few days at a time in that building.

Points and levels were tied in with program completion so dropping a few levels could mean several months added to your stay.  "Consequences" could be really arbitrary and upper level students were allowed to give them out.  Some times kids were dropped really obviously just to make them stay longer. This was probably the most effective "stick", though it only worked on kids who wouldn't turn 18 or whose parents promised to leave them with a bus ticket and $5 if they did not remain in the program after they reached the age of majority.

Lots of other stuff.  Basically, not complying was asking for the world to close in on you.  It just wasn't a viable option in the long term and I didn't know anyone who kept it up for more than a week.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 09, 2010, 11:42:05 PM »
What was that about the bringing of good points, son?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 09, 2010, 11:07:10 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"

ThomasC, there was a school named Darrington Academy which was one of the last holdouts to handle abusive kids, runaways,Kids addicted to a drug, kids with felony conviction etc. and they would take these children and would not allow them to communicate with their families via telephone for several months because they felt the family was part of the problem.  They allowed letter communication only.  I believe it was  a WWASP facility.  Was this the place you attended and indicated that the kids could write home in the first week or so?  Was this the place where you copied the policy from?

...

The school told parents to ignore everything in the first letters.  Everything was manipulation and none of it was to be believed.  Even physical abuse (which I was frequently witness to) was dismissed as fabrication without investigation.

If I said I went to Darrington Academy, would that make the policy of holding out phone contact between children and their parents for months as a privilege to be earned acceptable?  What if the children were not "abusive kids, runaways,Kids addicted to a drug, kids with felony conviction etc."?  Would it still be OK?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 09, 2010, 10:27:02 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
The programs which are holding on to these policies are typically the programs which deal with the hard core kids, runaways, heavy drugs, violent, already have a record etc,

Oh, yes. I'm sure that's the reason.  :beat:

This is like second nature to you now, isn't it?

http://http://www.causes.com/causes/26398/about?m=

ISAC is dead so this is all you'll get unless I decide to scan the whole contract some other time.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 09, 2010, 10:04:09 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
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Whooter wrote:
Thomasc do you have a link to this? 3 to 6 months is a long time not to speak on the phone. Is this still the current practice? It is good to hear that they allow mail at the onset but I am sure the parents have spoken up about the length of time they need to wait to speak with their child. I am curious to see if they have improved this at all since then. I know at ASR the parents spoke out about this issue and the school changed their procedures for future peer groups.

Have we got the links yet. Robert, please stop cluttering the boards with your blathering. Thanks.

If I told you this was fake and I made it up to make my program look bad would you believe me?  Did it work?

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