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An open discussion about the troubled parent industry

I get were sick is coming from but personally if it will help encourage survivors to post their stories and stick around I say go for it.

I agree, but then only if the ELan forum is reorganized if you ever want to see a forum that stops people from posting...

or it aint fair  
hmm so my abreviation is sick, eh? do i like that? Perhaps i should change it to adorable* sick of child torture girl. Or just get real massochistic and become fat and ugly sick of chid torture girl?Perhpaps Sprinkes.

Also, you fellas have been arguing with someone who has been IMPERSONATING WANF  

Brave AND intelligant advocates unite!

I think is should stay the way it is. I see survivors mocked, the elan forum made into a pointless joke, people stop posting their stories
as they are just relentlessly challenged and called loosers for having them, nothing is done. Whyshould this be any different? becasue a bunch of regulars made themselves look like insensitive fools?

No let it stay where it is
Its a swell reminder of human nature. As seen through the ridiculous magnifying lesseninglens of the internet

Uh, no, she came in and told us DONT SAY THAT so we did.

She's doing the group in reverse. She makes us mad at her then gives us ammo to use against her.

Basically, shes being a very willing LOLCOW. mooooooooooo

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/lolcow <-

So you feel a great deal of anger at her, and she has given you ammo from her personal life which will be most painful and you are using it agaisnt her.

Do you remind yourself of anyone right now?
Perhaps you are attracted to survivors for the wrong reasons?

I would just like ask how old everyone  is whom is replying to WANF.I am going guess about 7? Cause everything over that would make you a pretty pathetic bunch. The girl is troubled and therefore you should LAY OFF. If she is not troubled and is really a plant as you say than you should equally LAY OFF

So the question is, if there is no real reason why you should be responding as she is either is either helpless or dishonest, then what is it about your pscyhe that is getting off on this back on forth?

If the girl has an issue with the C-word than why delibertely post it? Even if you think this is irattional why be sadistic? When I was in program there was a girl who had an irrational phobia of bells. . All her "positive peers" went around rounding up bells clanging them and laughing while surrounding her. Is this really what you aspire to?

Note the rumors "perpetuated by students who hoped and fully expected they would be withdrawn" angle

Its like...Ive gone 2 minutes without saying children are manipulative liars...NEED A FIX=@#)**CHILDREN MANIPUALTE! MAINIPULATE! MANIPULATE!

Really, that hardly would seem to relate to the issue at hand...But of course, why miss an opprotunity to weirdly cross boundaries into other peoples' private relationsips-(parent/youth relationship) and poison them?
Hes involving the parent population in a bizzare reversal of the "kids agasint parents" theme that dominates childrens fiction, TV shows, and pop music.

Prooving yet again that program parents are immature people who are just not up to handling kids.
Is there anyway we can introduce birth control super liquid into the water supply?

I also love how its a given that children will lie to be allowed clemency from the gas chamber hidden lake academy. I mean if every single child beleives its a snake pit mabye there its time to listen

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You also can send her back anytime you like

Are you freaking kidding me??

 I regret our decision.  I hate what we did to her.  With the perspective of hindsight, I would never send her away again.

In addition, she's now a legal adult.  She is sailing her own ship.  And she's doing a find job I might add.

That’s 2 years she lived with you post program in that position with the corresponding Stockholm/other issues/ “mindset” & it doesn’t go away just because you’re over 18. I’m now over 18 but I still have a "mindset" with my parents. You can’t “think” one way for a good portion of your formative years and have “thinking” and communication styles erased by a birthday.

As you can see by how she’s only telling you these things NOW 2 years later in tears...SOMETHING was affecting her communication with you. And that SOMETHING though receding, is still extant, and a lot deeper than u consider

As for her program not being systematically abusive you only need to read a little in to what you know , even of the little you’ve said here, to know better.
First of all, if the program was so systematically unethical in their dealings with you wouldnt they be systematically unethical to your daughter over whom they have total control? These things follow a pattern

Secondly, was she kidnapped? That’s abuse. Was she than held involuntarily? That’s a CRIME referred to as involuntary confinement if the human in question is any other than a “troubled youth” whom can passed about like a football. So prima ficie she has suffered systematic abuse

Imprisonment without rights protecting the imprisoned is systematic abuse. Hardened adult criminals have belts taken from them automatically as prison is accepted as so horrible it will drive a sane man to suicide. Its even worse when you are not protected by a highly specified set of rights which prevent you from disappearing into an abyss of absolute power. Its even worse when this  violation is perpetrated not just by a acceptably dangerous govt because of political reasons, but by ones’ own  parents in conjunction with a supposedly ethical govt because one is so bad,/subhuman/insane that one is unworthy of a natural life or human rights.

 Here is Dr describing the pshological implications of not having these inborn human rights violated






Further, Im sure communication was limited, phones monitored, negative assessment of program punished, That is systematic abuse

Further, those confessions she was forced to make are systematic abuse. Would you like to be forced to admit all you intimate “sins”( yes in the context of program they are sins/examples of insanity) to your daughter? Every drug you’ve taken, every petty misdeed, or simple quirk..and each sexual act. Forcing “enemies” to make public confessions activity is the MO of totalitarian thought reform facilities.
The purpose of those confessions is to break down your child’s identity and rebuild a self concept of deviant. Forcing her to admit her repugnantcies  to you was so that in her mind her primary relationship knew her deviance.In confessing she lowers herself,accepts your authority to judg,e recoil, forgive at your leisure. You’re the master. Newly humbled, newly repugnant, newly penitent in a way only one can be made by ones own mother, she becomes more confused about reality, more certain that she is terrible, and more accepting that she is not entitled to respect, decency, etc like non deviants.

Forcing anyone to make public declarations of sex activity- outside of a crime report basis is sexual abuse. And forcing a girl to make this to her mother & father is INCESTUAL sexual abuse You were essentially manipulated into sexually abusing your own daughter in the same way that if she was forced to pull down her pants and point to her bad vagina you would be sexually abusing her

The complicated effects on the brain of a young woman whom endures this are unknown, as such information could only be gleaned by conducting experiments on unwilling children and real doctors in real intuitions will not do that

How long was she there?. Depending on how long I think its impossible she doesn’t have some heavy duty issues –brainwashing other issues going on. The pretend drs of program promote the idea that one has “behavioral disorders”-what is important is the behavior, in reality what is important is the psyche spirit of the individual, and even if a young person is behaving the important part of them can still be very very damaged in complicated and in saturated ways. I’m not saying any of this to hurt you the important thing is you pulled her…but if you really think about it….

I do not think it is fair to judge other people's realities, not having lived them yourself. Everyone wants other people to act on what they perceive as the right thing for them, in that specific time in their life. Or to put it simply, because it worked for them, they assume it will work for everyone else. This is kind of like program graduates. They think since they weren't abused in the program, everyone else will benefit from it. Take a minute and ask yourself if you have used this internet forum to vent your frustrations and were you really looking for judgment and advice or just a place that you know someone, anyone, will read it and possibly understand what you are going through. Besides, if we had our shit so together, why on earth would we be posting on fornits to begin with, obviously something is up, in some way.

exactly! if any of these folk bore they psyche so nakedly as this girl there would be plenty of things to hurt them with too.

Obviously this girl does need to move out its a horrible situation. But she has obviously had a horrible life and is weakened and having difficulty doing so. Obvuously she has serious issues.

I stayed at home post program BIG MISTAKE. The third biggest one of my life But I was manipulated by the threats of my father, I beleived I could put in an insane asylum at any moment, had serious illness, and was terrified sad in depair......I think its clear she needs to move out. but you can manage to get this info accross without demeaning her! its not that difficult if you have half a heart and half a brain or dont go by the program-"get real" with someone philosophy.