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Open Free for All / Ten Best Suicide Methods
« on: February 17, 2007, 01:59:24 AM »
Yeah, but would you want to do that to some poor innocent cop? I sure couldn't.
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Let It Bleed / Stuff you've been listening to
« on: February 17, 2007, 01:57:48 AM »
"William Tell & Other Favorite Overtures"
Yep. Classical music geek here.
(I also like a lot of modern stuff, so I'm not that geeky. Really.)
Yep. Classical music geek here.
(I also like a lot of modern stuff, so I'm not that geeky. Really.)
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Open Free for All / Help with Six Year Old
« on: February 16, 2007, 11:44:29 PM »
I think your kid is probably an Aspie (and a gifted one at that). That's good. He's probably bored stiff at school, with his gifted brain stuck in a normal class. I know I would be. Not to mention freaked out by all the people and smells and crazy unpredictable events.
Transitions... insistence on order... Boy that sounds familiar. Making it easy on him by making life predictable (including the rules you have for him--write them down, make them completely dependable!) seems like the best way to go here. And making sure his brain has something interesting to work on rather than getting him into trouble all the time.
Teaching him to control himself is way better than getting anybody else to "handle" him. Such things are pointless and border on abuse half the time, what with people holding him down or drugging him up or any number of things to make him fit into their little perfectly organized classrooms.
Heck, bribe him to keep calm if you have to... it works. Punishment just isn't the way to help someone learn, take it from someone it was tried on!
There's no way he'll ever get over his tantrums if he doesn't learn it on his own. When I was that age I had tantrums like crazy; and the best way to let me calm down was to just stop interfering... I'd calm down on my own. Of course teachers want to interfere, which gets him even more riled up.
Can you home-school him? Sure it's more work, and you've got to make sure he has friends available... but keeping him away from clueless (and dumbed-down) school programs could be a plus, especially for the next few years.
Check this out:
Aspies for Freedom
He's probably bored stiff at school, with his gifted brain stuck in a normal class. I know I would be. Not to mention freaked out by all the people and smells and crazy unpredictable events.Transitions... insistence on order... Boy that sounds familiar. Making it easy on him by making life predictable (including the rules you have for him--write them down, make them completely dependable!) seems like the best way to go here. And making sure his brain has something interesting to work on rather than getting him into trouble all the time.
Teaching him to control himself is way better than getting anybody else to "handle" him. Such things are pointless and border on abuse half the time, what with people holding him down or drugging him up or any number of things to make him fit into their little perfectly organized classrooms.
Heck, bribe him to keep calm if you have to... it works. Punishment just isn't the way to help someone learn, take it from someone it was tried on!
There's no way he'll ever get over his tantrums if he doesn't learn it on his own. When I was that age I had tantrums like crazy; and the best way to let me calm down was to just stop interfering... I'd calm down on my own. Of course teachers want to interfere, which gets him even more riled up.
Can you home-school him? Sure it's more work, and you've got to make sure he has friends available... but keeping him away from clueless (and dumbed-down) school programs could be a plus, especially for the next few years.
Check this out:
Aspies for Freedom
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Open Free for All / Ten Best Suicide Methods
« on: February 16, 2007, 11:32:01 PM »
Some way that it would be sure to look like an accident. That way, nobody believes it was anything other than yet another person who died young, and my friends and relatives don't believe they were at fault. Not that they would be, anyway, but people are kind of stupid that way; they'll blame themselves for anything rather than feel helpless.
I used to say I'd just run out in front of a semi on the interstate; but when I got put in the hospital for depression, I told them that one, and if it happens now they'll know it was deliberate. Hopefully I'll never have to think up another plan like that, but it'd probably be along the same vein... a one-car accident, falling from a roof while cleaning out the gutters... that sort of thing. I'd want it to be certain to result in death and not just handicap, though. Spending the rest of my life in an institution would really suck.
I used to say I'd just run out in front of a semi on the interstate; but when I got put in the hospital for depression, I told them that one, and if it happens now they'll know it was deliberate. Hopefully I'll never have to think up another plan like that, but it'd probably be along the same vein... a one-car accident, falling from a roof while cleaning out the gutters... that sort of thing. I'd want it to be certain to result in death and not just handicap, though. Spending the rest of my life in an institution would really suck.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / new'comer' - who is Dean variation
« on: October 23, 2002, 01:36:00 PM »
PhDs mean nothing other than having been in school long enough to have gotten one. I'm not putting down people who have PhDs, because that takes a lot of persistence, but I've grown quite disillusioned with that title.
In my field (astronomy/cosmology) there are some extreme wackos (yes, that's a clinical term) who happen to have PhDs, and their degrees do little more than delude them into thinking that, because they have this advanced degree, their theories must somehow be correct. For example, I know one guy who iniststs the earth is flat, another who says we never went to the moon, and a third who says the earth used to be a black hole. I don't have a PhD or even a bachelor's degree yet, which is OK because I'm only 19, but I can say, just going from logic, that these people aren't any more right just because they stuck it out long enough to defend their dissertations. Fuzzy science (or psychology) can come from anyone. Problem is, nobody bothers to check out the people who have PhDs, because "Oh, they have this doctorate, they must be sooo much smarter than me! *bows down* I am not worthy..." Yeah, right.
In my field (astronomy/cosmology) there are some extreme wackos (yes, that's a clinical term) who happen to have PhDs, and their degrees do little more than delude them into thinking that, because they have this advanced degree, their theories must somehow be correct. For example, I know one guy who iniststs the earth is flat, another who says we never went to the moon, and a third who says the earth used to be a black hole. I don't have a PhD or even a bachelor's degree yet, which is OK because I'm only 19, but I can say, just going from logic, that these people aren't any more right just because they stuck it out long enough to defend their dissertations. Fuzzy science (or psychology) can come from anyone. Problem is, nobody bothers to check out the people who have PhDs, because "Oh, they have this doctorate, they must be sooo much smarter than me! *bows down* I am not worthy..." Yeah, right.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Teen People story
« on: October 23, 2002, 01:25:00 PM »
Maybe he will take people who were teens when they were there?... It couldn't hurt to ask. Even if he doesn't, he will realize there are many more of us out there than people think.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / You all asked for it!
« on: October 21, 2002, 09:42:00 PM »
What the heck?!!
...this better be a joke...
...this better be a joke...
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Elan School / Awesome Songs
« on: October 21, 2002, 03:10:00 AM »
INVINCIBLE
Pat Benatar
7 The Hard Way
This bloody road remains a mystery
This sudden darkness fills the air
What are we waiting for?
Won't anybody help us?
What are we waiting for?
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
This shattered dream you cannot justify
We're gonna scream until we're satisified
What are we running for?
We've got the right to be angry
What are we running for?
When there's no where we can run to anymore
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
Won't anybody help us?
What are we running for?
When there's no where, no where we can run to anymore
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
Pat Benatar
7 The Hard Way
This bloody road remains a mystery
This sudden darkness fills the air
What are we waiting for?
Won't anybody help us?
What are we waiting for?
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
This shattered dream you cannot justify
We're gonna scream until we're satisified
What are we running for?
We've got the right to be angry
What are we running for?
When there's no where we can run to anymore
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
Won't anybody help us?
What are we running for?
When there's no where, no where we can run to anymore
We can't afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
It's a do or die situation
We will be invincible
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New Info / Teen People story
« on: October 17, 2002, 07:00:00 PM »
Go here:
http://amazingforums.com/forum/BS4/42.html
If this guy is for real some of you may want to contact him.
http://amazingforums.com/forum/BS4/42.html
If this guy is for real some of you may want to contact him.
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Elan School / The only way to close Elan
« on: October 11, 2002, 07:23:00 PM »
Just a side note--I wasn't at Elan, but I've heard enough about it to realize my close call with the place makes me extremely lucky not to have ended up there, rather than at the place I went to. At least we didn't get physically hurt there.
If you do plan anything... don't talk about it in public. :smile: You never know who is listening, and I wouldn't put it past them to have informers. I'd be quite happy to hear about something "happening" to the place, just as long as it didn't include murder!
But, y'know... I think public humiliation could be more interesting... you know, CNN, 48 Hours, etc. And their faces plastered all over the national news: "Institutional Child Abuse Case"... etc.
If you do plan anything... don't talk about it in public. :smile: You never know who is listening, and I wouldn't put it past them to have informers. I'd be quite happy to hear about something "happening" to the place, just as long as it didn't include murder!
But, y'know... I think public humiliation could be more interesting... you know, CNN, 48 Hours, etc. And their faces plastered all over the national news: "Institutional Child Abuse Case"... etc.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Mountain Park Academy Survivors Online Support Group
« on: October 11, 2002, 07:16:00 PM »
I just read the parent's handbook... it's really insane how they're actually using the parents as part of the "indoctrination" process, asking them to hang up on the student (who has probably looked forward to the phone call for the longest time). A very, very effective method of making the student feel isolated, and, needless to say, an effective programming device.
I'm very familiar with IFB (independent fundamental baptist) beliefs... and actually, this sort of thing doesn't surprise me. Fundamentalists such as the people who started Mountain Park also started dozens of other schools, including the extremely cultic college that I attended for a while (Pensacola Christian College) and some of my elementary schools (all of which used ACE, and most of which regularly used "corporal punishment"). It's very sad that people who were called to grace and love are instead turning to legalism and abuse.
I'm very familiar with IFB (independent fundamental baptist) beliefs... and actually, this sort of thing doesn't surprise me. Fundamentalists such as the people who started Mountain Park also started dozens of other schools, including the extremely cultic college that I attended for a while (Pensacola Christian College) and some of my elementary schools (all of which used ACE, and most of which regularly used "corporal punishment"). It's very sad that people who were called to grace and love are instead turning to legalism and abuse.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Straight - St. Pete - Springfield '81-'83
« on: October 11, 2002, 12:31:00 PM »
Harvard med school?... wow.... I'm having a hard enough time just getting through college!
That's one of the best ways of getting revenge though--living a good life, in spite of what they did to you... shows them they can knock you down but they can't keep you down...
That's one of the best ways of getting revenge though--living a good life, in spite of what they did to you... shows them they can knock you down but they can't keep you down...
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Elan School / The only way to close Elan
« on: October 09, 2002, 11:29:00 PM »
Don't give up. Never give up.
Even if it does nothing to close Elan, the publicity will alert some parents to what goes on there...
Even if it does nothing to close Elan, the publicity will alert some parents to what goes on there...
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Aspen Achievement Academy
« on: October 08, 2002, 08:43:00 PM »
I don't see why anyone thinks that programs which separate the child from the parent are supposed to solve problems at home.
In all the family problems I've seen and been through, the child was only part of the problem. When my parents threatened to send me to a "boot camp", the problem was only partially mine: I was defiant, stubborn, and refused to accept their authority; but my stepdad also liked to beat me up, and my mom believed whatever he said, whether it was "I'm quitting smoking" (he never did) or "She fell down the stairs".
(Note: I was never sent to any sort of program, thank God. Two of my friends were; they're still recovering.)
Programs which separate parents and children either work only because they've brainwashed the child, or because the child never had a problem in the first place. Most of the time, I doubt they do anything but terrorizing an innocent teen.
And, even if that person were fully "cured", when they come back home, what happens? The parents, the environment, their friends, have not changed. Only part of the problem has been taken care of.
Abusive programs often play on the parent's need to be "right"; to say, "I didn't do anything wrong, he's just a bad kid and needs to be straightened out". Sometimes the problem (if there is one) really is due to the kid's choices, but in the majority of the time, the problem is at least partially the parents' fault.
Solution? Treat the whole family. If they want to take you out in the wilderness, fine; but they'd better take your parents, too. If they're running a boarding school, parents had better get visits whenever they want them. Or, better yet, stay at home and go to counseling/outpatient drug programs.
Oh, I know a lot of people want to take the easy way out--if the kid goes to a program, they no longer have to deal with him, and they can say it's not their fault he's "troubled". But look at it this way: Is it worth it, just for convenience, to send someone to a place which may scar them for life? I don't think so.
In all the family problems I've seen and been through, the child was only part of the problem. When my parents threatened to send me to a "boot camp", the problem was only partially mine: I was defiant, stubborn, and refused to accept their authority; but my stepdad also liked to beat me up, and my mom believed whatever he said, whether it was "I'm quitting smoking" (he never did) or "She fell down the stairs".
(Note: I was never sent to any sort of program, thank God. Two of my friends were; they're still recovering.)
Programs which separate parents and children either work only because they've brainwashed the child, or because the child never had a problem in the first place. Most of the time, I doubt they do anything but terrorizing an innocent teen.
And, even if that person were fully "cured", when they come back home, what happens? The parents, the environment, their friends, have not changed. Only part of the problem has been taken care of.
Abusive programs often play on the parent's need to be "right"; to say, "I didn't do anything wrong, he's just a bad kid and needs to be straightened out". Sometimes the problem (if there is one) really is due to the kid's choices, but in the majority of the time, the problem is at least partially the parents' fault.
Solution? Treat the whole family. If they want to take you out in the wilderness, fine; but they'd better take your parents, too. If they're running a boarding school, parents had better get visits whenever they want them. Or, better yet, stay at home and go to counseling/outpatient drug programs.
Oh, I know a lot of people want to take the easy way out--if the kid goes to a program, they no longer have to deal with him, and they can say it's not their fault he's "troubled". But look at it this way: Is it worth it, just for convenience, to send someone to a place which may scar them for life? I don't think so.
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Elan School / The only way to close Elan
« on: October 08, 2002, 07:59:00 PM »
I wasn't at Elan, so I wouldn't have a case against them, obviously. But I do agree... Why not sue them? I can hear the reasons now...
-We signed a paper that said we wouldn't sue
-They've got good lawyers
-They've got a lot of money to hire lawyers
-Nobody will believe us
Those difficulties CAN be overcome.
-We signed a paper that said we wouldn't sue
-They've got good lawyers
-They've got a lot of money to hire lawyers
-Nobody will believe us
Those difficulties CAN be overcome.