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Program parents never get it.

Who said kids are supposed to get along with arents. Fuck em.

Publish Date: 5/1/2007

Hinton OK’d to leave state

Vic Vela
The Daily Record
The Royal Gorge Academy co-director accused of assault and false imprisonment of several students can move out of state if he wishes to, while returning for court proceedings, a judge ruled Monday.

In addition, Randall Hinton, 32, pleaded not guilty to the charges he faces in Norman Cooling’s Fremont County courtroom as a trial date also was set.

The defense motion to relocate out of state was not met with objection by the prosecution nor the alleged victims in the case, who were not present for Monday’s hearing.

Meanwhile, several Academy administrators appeared in the courtroom to support Hinton, including school co-director Brian Lemons.

When asked by Cooling if it was the defendant’s desire to move to Utah, where he had lived prior to opening the school, Hinton responded, “Yes, I’d just like to have that option.”

The defendant faces seven counts of third-degree assault and two false imprisonment charges, all misdemeanors. Hinton was arrested in January following a Canon City Police Department investigation into charges that he was abusive toward students at the private boarding school.

A trial date was set for Aug. 27-31. His next court appearance, a motions hearing, is scheduled for 10 a.m. June 28.

Hinton was represented by his attorney, Michael Gillick; the prosecution by Deputy District Attorney Thom LeDoux.

Vic Vela can be reached at http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/reg ... sp?ID=6843

Smoking out of a bong at their ages is a bit heavy dontcha think?

No it really isn't.. TSW gave some good advice. Minus the propaganda of course.

Exit Plan, Theologists could answer your questions, but you dont care to seem to want them answered. The basic answer to your question is its your own fault. Humanity did this, but you dont want that to be the answer, so you belittle God and call him a invisable sky god and try to make him go away

 Ill give that some thought....  :smokin:

Hitting teenagers with a paddle in the name of anything is ineffective and stupid.

I agree. I want to clarify my earlier post too, that it is true that no program survivors posting on Cafety help refer kids to Magnolia, or even support refering of kids to that program. I should of made that more clear. Kevin does support it, obviously, he maintains a website that promotes the program solely, and jUdge bean has insinuated to us that someone helped him get 2 kids. This is why I assumed there were people at cafety helping him, because he thanked them for helping bring in two kids. It appears he could of only been refering to Kevin? I don't realy know.

What I do know is that JudgeBean has admitted to his program using a wooden paddle in an abusive manner as a ways of coercing the teens to follow the rules. They also use forced physical exercise. The paddling of teenagers, in my opinion, is 100% completely unacceptable and should be illegal in all states. Right now its illegal 29 states, but its still legal in Miss. where the program is. The law even grants staff immunity from prosecution, almost seemingly to promote this kind of behavior.. its very disturbing.

I think it is UNETHICAL to send kids from states where paddling is illegal, to a state where it is legal, to a place where this will be specifically enforced. It might not be illegal, I think it should be, it's skirting existing child abuse laws by outsourcing it to other states, but I don't know if it is or not.

It makes me sad to see a felow scl survivor using his experience to support such similar abuse to what we both encountered ourselves. Theres no other way to put it, it just hurts right in my chest, like someone punched me with a bat or something. I don't know why. I guess it's because I am realizing to fight my own battle of truth or whatever, it might mean having to criticize and take strong stances against other survivors. Me being as naive as I am about politics assumed survivors at least had a united front. I just hope he is mistaken and will figure it out and remove Magnolia from his site being sold as a 'safe alternative to wwasp'. Because that just isnt true. Neither of us were paddled at SCL. So I dont know how you can claim that it is better?

I am really curiou why judge was thanking the cafety board for helping bring in two new kids though. Maybe I misread that quote, but that is when I kind of lost it and got really angry and upset about all this.

Just because you are against wwasps does not mean you have to be for another program. This is the biggest fallacy in this debate, and many survivors fall into the trap..

The only argument against that Psy, is would this kid have comitted suicide anyway?

There were 5 suicides among my family & friends in the space of 3 years a few years back, not one of them went to any program/care etc, they all came from well balanced loving & pretty much wealthy homes

It needs to be asked if suicide is something that some people are just going to do at some stage in their lives no matter what - sort of along the lines of "what has he/she got to be depressed about?" You don't need a reason for depression, it just gets you no matter who you are or what your circumstances.

i agree with this point. i don't have program friends who committed suicide, but known a few people who lived seemingly "normal" lives... so it's a subject that has always perplexed me.

i think a tragedy is that these private programs suggest that they are "help" and so parents with suicidal kids or depressed kids send them to a facility where they will only get punished and ridiculed and institutionalized over a long period of time. if you are already suicidal, this will just make it worse. i see this as a form of negligent homicide, programs purposely lie and parents bypass other treatments that might have been more effective. also, in programs, when kids show signs of suicidal ideation, they dismiss it as "manipulation" where as in normal society the kid might have gotten the help the so desperately needed. that is a tragedy I think.

i was diagnosed as suicidal and majorly depressed and sent to a program to get "help" but instead was just punished. i had been hospitalized for taking so many drugs I od'd and so they assumed I was trying to kill myself.. then when locked away I started cutting to relieve stress without the drugs anymore. So there solution is to send me to a WWASPS camp. Theres something wrong with that equation. And its not just parents either. The adolescent psychiatric advisor actually suggested I be sent to Provo Canyon School, they had brochures at the hospital and everything. THe only reason that didn't work out was because of insurance refusing to pay and my dad had to find the bargain basement version of treatment because he had to pay for it by him,self.

One kid I was friends with at SCL, his dad killed himself while in the program and instead of letting him go home they force him to go on and pretend nothing happens. He got caught for taking 1 morphine pill that he had smuggled in months earlier, obviously to dull the pain of losing his father, and they punish him severly by dropping him to level 1. THey finally let him visit the funeral at his moms request, but a staff went with. THen he got sent back. Its like they have no concept of mental health.

I have countless tales of crazy things kids did like slicing their arms wide open and writing in blood on the wall 'free me', trying to fall on sticks and die, shit like that. But hte program never saw any of this as anything more than manipulation. Suicide to them is jus tanother escape method from the program, and treat is as such.

Karlye ended up killing herslef a couple years after I got out by hanging herself in the shower. Thats really the only way you could of done it at SCL. But to do it that way, you would have to realy try hard, and it would be violent.. it just so sad. I cant even think about it, because I know the feelings and scenery to well.. its too real.

I do think programs contribute to the suicide of certain invidicuals who needed help and never got it. As well as people treated so horribly, their lives are never the same after the experience at the program, and so desperately want the pain to end see no other solution than to end it all. I know because its hard to escape your subconcious thoughts they come out whether you want it or not.

One kid killed himself before being sent back to a program in Jamaica. I have to wonder if this was a contributing factor?

BUt its not like psychiatric hospitals are some heavenly life saving experience either. But my stays were at least somewhat better than SCL, but that ain't sying much. Suicide sucks.