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Aspen Education Group / So Dr. Phil sent a girl to Copper Canyon today...
« on: September 02, 2006, 04:27:41 PM »
heh it was wishful thinking... lolol

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Aspen Education Group / So Dr. Phil sent a girl to Copper Canyon today...
« on: September 02, 2006, 01:59:42 PM »
i sent a letter to dr phil, i doubt it will ever see tv or even past the producers of his show... but i detailed the hell i went through at a residential treatment facility, and i wasnt a student at one of these, i was STAFF!.... i'd recommend anyone to send in a letter to dr phil detailing their hellish experiences.  Maybe if he gets enough of those, he will do a show and realise he was wrong.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re-educating from a danish viewpoint
« on: August 21, 2006, 07:31:49 AM »
I've been to denmark and i was really impressed with the school system over there.  Starting early as kindergarten the kids learn how to be self sufficient.  Not in a bad way, but in a good way.  Anyhow bye. lol my brain is off

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i caught the last half of the show and was disgusted when he recommended it.  i'd be interested in reading up on it.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Primetime tonight
« on: August 03, 2006, 03:48:51 PM »
i will definitely watch this one!!!

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Moral and WWASPS should not be in the same sentence let alone the same planet.  There is nothing moral about sending a child to a Behavior Modification Program or a Therapeutic Boarding School.  Unfortunately, society looks to label and medicate "problem" children.  

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The kids who accepted the false teachings of WWASPS as true ARE brainwashed. They are brainwashed in the same way militant islamists and nazis and north koreans were brainwashed. This is nothing new.

This is very true.

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Listen to a program graduate speak. First thing out of their mouth -- did you graduate the program? The reason they ask is because if you didn't they cannot be your friend. Seriously.


That only applies to the "brainwashed" graduates.  Other non graduates or graduates who have come to their senses realize the level of brainwashing and conformity that is forced in the programs.

Anyhow, WWASPS have no morals though they pretend they do.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Three Springs wilderness camps
« on: August 02, 2006, 02:08:58 AM »
googled name and came up with this

Both are from archived/cached pages.



Posted on Sat, Jul. 05, 2003
 
Authorities say Gwinnett teen died from cardiac arrest while hiking Appalachian Trail

Associated Press


SNICKERS GAP, Va. - A 15-year-old girl from Georgia died in a remote area of the Appalachian Trail from cardiac arrest, Virginia authorities announced on Friday.

Danita Ritchie of Gwinnett County was hiking with a group of young people from Lawrenceville near the Clarke-Loudoun county line when she became unconscious at about 2 p.m. Wednesday, state police said. She was pronounced dead on the trail an hour later.

Her body was taken to Fairfax for an autopsy on Thursday.

The group, from an all-girl school in Jesup, was on a section of the trail known as "The Roller Coaster" because of its steep rocky climbs and sharp descents, officials said. By the time rescuers reached the rugged area, there was nothing they could do, Trooper Richard McClanahan said.

The medical examiner said she became dizzy and her heart had sped up, causing the heart attack, said Donald Ritchie, Danita's father.

"Danita was a great girl," he told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "She was an artist. She played the piano and she wrote poetry. This is very difficult because to me she is still a baby."



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Gwinnett hiker, 15, dies on Appalachian Trail

The Associated Press
 
SNICKERS GAP, Va. -- A 15-year-old girl from Georgia died after becoming ill
in a remote area of the Appalachian Trail on Wednesday, authorities said.

Danita Ritchie of Gwinnett County was hiking with a group of young people
from Georgia near the Clarke-Loudoun county line when she became ill, state
police said.

The group was on a section of the trail known as "The Roller Coaster"
because of its steep rocky climbs and sharp descents, officials said. By the
time rescuers reached the rugged area, there was nothing they could do,
Trooper Richard McClanahan said.

"There's no indication of foul play," McClanahan said. "It appears to be a
medical thing. At this point we have no idea what kind of medical problem it
was."

Richie's body was taken to Fairfax for an autopsy to be performed Thursday.

By late afternoon, a heavy fog and mist had settled in on portions of the
mountain, and Red Cross volunteers waited in a steady rain for the stunned
hikers in the group to emerge from the trail. The group was taken to the
Blue Ridge Fire and Rescue Squad.

"They were pretty upset, but they calmed down, and the Red Cross and the
fire department auxiliary got them something to eat," McClanahan said.

It was the second time within a week that a 15-year-old required assistance
on the same stretch of trail, Clarke County Sheriff Dale Gardner said. Last
week, a boy took ill while hiking and was helped from the trail, but he is
expected to recover.

"It's one of the roughest parts of the trail," Gardner said.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Three Springs wilderness camps
« on: August 02, 2006, 01:59:50 AM »
thats the Wayne County death that i had heard about in training.. good to see that another person found the article.... unfortunately it says nothing about Three Springs being involved but the date and stuff fits with when they would have been on the trail.  I'm going to google her name and see what i come up with.


Printed in 2003


Wednesday, July 9, 2003


Va. State Police Still Puzzled By Young Trail Hiker?s Death
By Karl B. Hille
The Winchester Star


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Virginia State Police are still awaiting autopsy results on a Georgia girl who collapsed July 2 on the Appalachian Trail in Clarke County.

Danita Ritchie, 15, of Gwinnett County, Ga., was hiking with a group of young people near the Clarke-Loudoun County line when she became ill, State Police said.

By the time rescue workers could reach the remote section of trail, Ritchie was beyond help, said Trooper Richard McClanahan.

There was no indication of foul play or injury, McClanahan said.

?I?ve talked to the pathologist that did the autopsy,? he said. ?She told me there wasn?t any injuries. She thought it [the cause of death] was going to be medical, but she was waiting for results to come back from the lab to determine the exact cause.?

He said it could take six to eight weeks for a final report from the coroner?s office in Fairfax.

Ritchie collapsed on Buzzard Hill, McClanahan said, which is located on a portion of the trail known to hikers as ?the Roller Coaster? because of its steep climbs and descents.

He said the group of hikers was about two miles north of Morgans Mill Road, near Mount Weather.

Clarke County Sheriff Dale Gardner said last week that Ritchie was the second teen to report health problems while hiking that portion of the trail in recent days.

The week before, a 15-year-old boy became ill while hiking and was helped from the trail, Gardner said.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / What makes it so easy for Parents?
« on: July 12, 2006, 10:35:16 PM »
I'd first like to thank bandit for his assessment of this situation and am going to address some of his questions and proposals below.

Quote from: "[email protected]"
Perhaps it's not the kids who have a disorder.

Quite true it can be environmental factors such as food choices and external stressors that can cause a kid to act the way he/she does.  Parents or teachers may not be aware of what the child is going through that is causing the behavior.  Behavior is a learned thing, one is not just "born" the way they become.  One of the first things as a parent or educator with the children is to step back and analyze the influences in the childs life.



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Kids respond different to different educational approaches.  Thats why some kids do really well in our public schools, but some kids just do not.

This way of thinking (that not all child is the same) is very new in the school systems.  Many more public and private school systems are beginning to remedy the "box" that they've been trying to stuff children in for years into new ways of thinking.  Many elementary schools are progressing more towards the thought of combined group classes instead of deliniating grades.  Unfortunately for the school systems, the United States Government is putting more constraints on teachers to teach the material in order for kids to regurgitate the information back on a piece of paper.  

Currently there are "tests" that children must pass in order to move on to the next grade.  All of this is done to "standardize" classrooms and make sure all the children are "learning" what they are supposed to without giving the teacher room for creative thinking in how to teach a concept.  A special needs student, or one who just doesn't "get" a concept tends to slip through the cracks of the school system and is then "labeled."


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So whats a parent to do?  What are the alternatives?

There are several alternatives available to parents and students.  Unfortunately many parents are quick to put a label on things and accept that there is only one answer to a problem.   Its what they've been taught.  When something doesnt fit in the "box" it doesnt belong.



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Unless the child suffers from a legitimate organic disorder, it is the parents who need to change the way they do things.


Yes, I agree, there are some children out there with legitimate disorders and those do need to be addressed, whether it be with some form of medicine or modification to a program.

One thing parents do not seem to look into when considering any options is the diet of their children.  Many foods contain sugar and other additives that can cause a child to have an adverse reaction.  This is not to say that food is a complete determining cause, but it can be a factor.

Other factors can include things like bullies, test anxiety, social anxiety, and other external factors that children experience when they hit that awkward stage of "adolescence".

Adolescence should not be looked upon as a thing to be "fixed" or as a condition, but a normal part of growing and developing oneself into a fully functional human being.  I recently viewed the documentary on Tranquility Bay and WWASPS and was absolutely truely appalled at what those children have gone through.  It shows in their survivors who speak out against TB.  I wonder how many are silenced through fear.  It only strengthens my resolve to educate and inform.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Need some advice.
« on: July 11, 2006, 01:52:00 PM »
What kid has access to anything that could potentially start a fire, do you leave lighters around?

Seems to me the best course of action is to lock up anything that starts a fire, remove his video games (most of which are violent and shouldnt be played by a 12 yr old), limit his Television time.

The key here is telling him there are consequences for his actions.  Does he act out at school?  Likely not because the teacher has set forth consequences for his innapropriate actions.  He knows if he shows his butt at school there are consequences that the teacher can enact.

I would then get him into an outpatient program with a qualified juvenile therapist.

Outpatient therapy only works if you send them consistently over a period of a year or more.  The key is consistency.

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Father may have full custody, but mother has the right to contact Department of Family Children Services and Child Protective Services if she believes her son is in danger.  It would also be helpful to find out if this was a court order or just a parental decision.  If in fact, it is a parental decision, the mother can legally take it to a juvenile court/superior court to obtain some leverage in this case.  This is a proposed course of actions for her to take:

1. Obtain a lawyer who specializes in custody issues and is PROACTIVE in protecting children.

2. File a motion in superior court for Termination of Parental Rights against the father, or a motion to obtain custody due to the present evidence that the child is in active danger.

3. Gather all evidence against TB to present to the judge at the court date.

4. File a child abuse report with Child Protective Services.  Get them involved, explain the situation.  Many CPS people are willing to help out.  It may mean placing the kid in a Temporary Foster Care placement until a suitable person can be found to care for him/her.

5. Push the judge to appoint a CASA - Court Appointed Special Advocate, or a Guardian Ad Litem for the child.  They are trained to investigate and make the best recommendation for the child in a court of law.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Three Springs wilderness camps
« on: July 03, 2006, 12:43:00 AM »
not yet... TSW is looking too.  If I had a name, I could look in archives. but i dont have a name

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Three Springs wilderness camps
« on: July 02, 2006, 06:35:00 PM »
http://www.showmenews.com/2001/Sep/20010914News014.asp

Written in 2001

Story ran on Friday, September 14 2001
TUSKEGEE, Ala. (AP) - When Dionte Pickens? body was found, it was hanging in a closet of a juvenile lockup, a black leather belt looped around the 14-year-old?s neck.

His mother believes that her child?s death last October - whether a suicide or a murder - was the result of inadequate supervision at the for-profit Three Springs detention center in Tuskegee. A lawsuit contends Pickens died while his designated supervisor was playing a video game.

The death and the lawsuit have raised questions about the treatment of juveniles at the center, run by Huntsville-based Three Springs Inc., which operates 21 juvenile programs in Alabama and six other states.

The state?s welfare agency has removed about a dozen teens who were assigned there, but the state Department of Youth Services has 25 juveniles at the Tuskegee site and 49 at a center Three Springs operates in Madison.

The state deputy chief medical examiner concluded - after an autopsy and an investigation - that Pickens? death in the cinderblock room was a suicide.

The Alabama Bureau of Investigation referred its investigation report on Pickens? death to the Macon County District Attorney?s Office. Deputy District Attorney Kenneth Gibbs said an investigation was continuing.

Several privately run facilities that treat young offenders have been criticized for poor supervision and management in several states, including centers in Colorado and Louisiana.

Wendy Brooks Crew, a lawyer for Pickens? mother, said Pickens had been locked up in Tuscaloosa for truancy when he was transferred hundreds of miles to the Three Springs center at Tuskegee. Crew said Pickens? mother was not informed in advance about the transfer.

Pickens? mother, Louisa Dunn, claims Three Springs Inc., which is paid $121.50 a day for each of the youngsters assigned to the state it keeps in Tuskegee, either allowed Pickens to be murdered by hanging or allowed him to commit suicide.

The suit contends that a doctor at Three Springs had recommended within three days of Pickens arrival that he have a psychological evaluation as soon as possible.

Instead, Pickens was "housed in a room with non-breakaway hardware" and allowed to have a belt, Crew said. Pickens never received a psychological evaluation and his death was more than a month after his arrival, she said.

Three Springs knew that Pickens, who was taking anti-depressant and psychotropic medication, had previously attempted suicide, Crew said.

Three Springs attorney Marc Givhan said the company is saddened by the death, but would not comment beyond that.

While the state continues to use the Tuskegee facility, state Human Resources Commissioner Bill Fuller said that after he heard about Pickens? death, he removed all of the "12 or 13" abused and neglected teens who were assigned there.

"The atmosphere was generally oppressive for my children," Fuller said.

"My primary reason was not the recent death so much as the physical conditions that my boys were exposed to day-to-day, a confinement atmosphere," he said.



******it took me forever to find this single article******

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The Troubled Teen Industry / So what is the solution?
« on: June 30, 2006, 07:58:00 PM »
I do understand that they dont have the power to remove themselves from the programs, but their parents do need to take some time and question the court's decision in the best interest of their own child.

I understand what COURT ORDER means, but there are ways someone can talk to a judge to help influence the decision whether or not to place the kid in a wilderness program.  Again EDUCATION is key.

Thanks for being sooo sooo nice to me and not insulting my intelligence.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / So what is the solution?
« on: June 30, 2006, 07:38:00 PM »
http://www.outwardbound.com/

Troubled teen program:
http://www.outwardbound.com/discovery.html

"Wilderness & residential commitment programs for court-ordered committed delinquent youth in Florida and South Carolina."


Intercept:
http://www.outwardbound.com/discovery-intercept.html

Intercept (formerly Ascent) offers year round wilderness expeditions for teens and young adults beginning to demonstrate destructive behavior.


Other on the court committed:
Commitment Programs for court-ordered committed delinquent youth throughout Florida and South Carolina.
STEP (Short-Term Expedition Program) - Yulee: 30-day wilderness programming for court-ordered committed delinquent males and females ages 14 to 18 years old from throughout the State of Florida.  STEP operates out of Yulee, Florida.
Overlander Programs: 120 to 180 day residential programming for court-ordered committed delinquent males throughout Florida ages 12 to 18 that operate out of Century and Arcadia, Florida.
Re-Directions: A minimum of 30-day wilderness programming and follow-up for court-ordered committed delinquent youth on parole, probation or conditional release status from throughout South Carolina.  Re-Directions currently operates out of Charleston, South Carolina


**************ALL TEXT AND LINKS TAKEN FROM OUTWARD BOUND SITE***********************

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