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Greg, I tend to agree with your comments and observations, but to use logic in a debate with someone of a religious persuasion just ain't gonna work.  Ever see those bumper stickers "God said it-I believe it-That settles it"?  That is the mind-set of the people you are debating.  Of course they can't respond to you logically-- it isn't in their nature.  They threw out critical thinking and logic when they decided to bet the farm on some ancient, mistranslated, arbitrarily edited fairy tale.  Trying to get that mind set to respond to a logical, well thought out argument like the one you have set forth is like trying to run Windows XP on a TRS-80-- it ain't gonna work because the software is beyond the capacity of the hardware to handle.

I'm with you, but all you're doing in the end is reinforcing their smug ignorance.  They will pull out little phrases from their book of fables such as the one about "speaking a different language" to convince themselves that they see the "truth" while we ignorant agnostics and atheists remain unwitting tools of the "Enemy".  

I just think you're wasting your time, buddy.

On a seven page troll. :silly:

Yeah! That would be great.

Richard Bradbury is a hero.


If you look back on the posts, Sara did her share of mudslinging and name-calling.  I think Idreamofnewtonsburning (great username,btw)was pissed, and rightfully so, at the suggestionthat the staff members were "only human" and "doing what they were told".  Read the fucking thread before you start deciding who started what.

I'll give you that other phasers don't deserve my anger--but I think a staff member is a different story. They did not have to participate in an abusive situation in order to graduate and get out, they chose to participate in an abusive situation in order to satisfy their fucked up needs for power.  They are as guilty as Miller and Mel, although  not to the same degree, they still participated in the shit that went on there on a daily basis.  They are like the gaurds at Auschwitz--guilty not for masterminding the crimes, but for their voluntary participation.

Todd Toth was an asshole.. There were worse abuseres on staff, but he was definitely an asshole.

David Laird was a fucking psycho.  He was way too gung-ho and seemed to really enjoy confronting people.  His sister, Kathy, was in the program too.

I remember seeing Kirsten Marriott in an intake room after they brought her back.  I was delivering lunch to the room.  I think they sent her to Va., but I don't know.  Jeff Leugers was sent back to group after being on Staff.  I read on the Yahoo site that he killed himself.  He was actually pretty cool with me when he was my o/c, but I thought he was kind of goofy.  There's a couple of other staff members I wouldn't cry over if they chose to follow his footsteps.  I don't know what Jeff was like as a Staff member, but he seemed like just another victim when he was in group.

I remember all the 4th and 5th phasers went out on the yacht-- I was on 1st phase, so it didn't mean that much to me.  Wasn't McKelvey's dad some big-time Straight donor?