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I may be wrong in this case but in my home state tax liens are placed on properties that are in arrears of their taxes after 2 years and the property can be repossessed by the state after 3 years for non payment of taxes. Is this also true in Georgia? Just how far behind is HLA at this point?

All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

On 2006-02-22 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Sorry about your friend but suicide and murder are 2 completly different things. TOo bad you guys are so vengful and cant carry on a conversation youve proved your points again and again that being you have no idea what your talking about so take care stay clean and keep comming back.

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And just would you call the incident about 5 years ago in California where a kid was in Daytop, told them he was contemplating suicide, ran away from the facility, and killed himself?
Keep coming back? LOL I stopped going to those religious cults ages ago.

...it is worth discussing radical changes, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly but for two other reasons. One is to construct an ideal goal, so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move the institutional structure toward or away from that ideal. The other reason is very different. It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored."

http://lfb.com/?stocknumber=103&code=10247' target='_new'>Milton Friedman

On 2006-02-21 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi its me the blissful sober one again. The counselors that went through and invested etc...had one thing missing they were never "out there" you cant go to school for that, and thats probably a good thing. I dont think its right that you folks are trying to put down, trash flame whatever you wanna call it something that worked for me and alot alot of other people I know becuase you may be stopping someone somewhere from getting anykind of treatment at all. You talk of statistics and dont bring up the stats of other theraputic methods only Daytop why? Is it because they are on par? Probably. will you me or anyone ever know the true stats of daytops or any others success probably never. Theres some people out there that "split" DVI and stayed staright taking with them some piece of what they learned. Most didnt unfortunately so we'll never know whose method is better more successful etc... And for what its worth I was the KING of being obstreperous,  I didnt live in a bubble at all, I was front and center in your face all day the entire time I was there from entry to graduation there were things and methods I didnt agree with and let it be known what the problem or issue was and worked with the proper people to either resole or agree to diagree and I was never once abused by anyone ever. Tell me what your problems are with Daytop let me try to explain these things to you from a successful non connected point of view. Again I have not been in contact with any one from DVI in over 15 years. Maybe I can help you get over these fears or whatever it is that has you preventing people from getting proper or any treatment. I wonder how many people that needed help read your boards didnt get treatment and died, I wonder were the compassionate humanistic qualities are in that. And by the way its very funny how both your avatars characters are green...perhaps a subconsious tip of the hat to envy?!!? hmmm

Ok lay it on me let me explain to you straight folks how a junkie gets clean for good. Come on kiddies step right up I'll get you a degree free, just like the BS I got in Management while i was in Daytop...free by the way...!"

Let me try to break down this dribble very simply because it is unfortunately the mindset of many Daytopians. The fact that many professional staff haven't been "out there" only proves that they know how to lead a prosperous life and can teach others the right way of living. I once asked how do you know how I feel if you haven't been out there and the answer was quite simple. Feelings are universal. Just because a person didn't have the same experiences that I had doesn't mean they can't identify with feelings. It's how we behave as a result of feelings that makes the difference. Who else but someone that can deal with these feelings appropriately is able to teach those that can't or rather choose not to?
As far as the green avitar goes they didn't have one of odie so I chose Shrek because of his personality which happens to be a lot like mine. :wave:

If there is a God, he is a malign thug.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

On 2006-02-21 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Hip me to the facts of what? You cant stand the fact that daytop works and you spent however much money time effort on your degree to be a "counselor" I was NEVER abused once ever. And yeah there were 2 or 3 "counselors" that came in with degrees in the time I was there none of them lasted more then a month which is typical its like sending Lebron James to go play for the New York Rangers. Aint gonna work. "

As a counselor with Daytop for over 10 years I have witnessed first hand the abuse handed out by staff members. I have seen first hand the abuse by senior staff on educated professionals. The one thing that Daytop has is a never ending wealth of residents that become staff and are blinded by misguided loyalty. The problem with recovering staff has always been the same. They are petrified by the knowledge of professional staff. It is only the few like myself that actually did the foot work and gained the same education that the professional staff have that have prospered in life.

All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary

On 2006-02-21 12:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi me again expalin how your giving them freedom by keeping them out of treatment? And dysfunction your really kidding yourself thinking your a counselor what a joke. You cant teach what you dont know. "

I think it's time to start your threads with " Me high again" instead of " Hi me again" because I starting to get the impression your hitting the pipe again with these delusional rantings. As far as DJ's credentials as a counselor, I have no doubt he is an excellent one.

As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher

I don't buy into that crap about once a junkie always a junkie. If you choose to spend the rest of your life in recovery, thats's fine. I choose to look at myself as a recovered addict. If you are not in recovery but a person with a belief system that a junkie will never change, well that's fine too, but that's your opinion.

It only takes a little prescience to understand that we're all fair game for the deeds we condone.

--Antigen

Thanks DJ I knew you'd get the right answer...lol.I was going to put some more spice to the case but I figured I'd keep it real simple for now. I just wanted to hear some opinions on how to treat any kid because of all the negativity on here. Anybody can rant and rave how bad various programs are or how research shows how a modality doesn't work but if all we do is complain how will we ever know what does work? Well I haven't been on here much because I'm researching the new "miracle" drug Suboxone which doctors in my area are being a wee bit overanxious to prescribe to "cure" drug addiction.
Funny how the medical field comes up with these magic pills every so often thinking it has to be the drug that is the problem. :wave:

Janis, Jimi, Gery, Timothy... Did you HAVE to get so close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous

On 2006-02-08 14:22:00, juniper2 wrote:

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P.S.  The court knows it (documents)...Why not

just acknowledge it?"

They can't because adolescent court documents are sealed so the only way to find that out is to have a parent show you the documents.

It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson