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Ummm... There is a 100,000,000 lawsuit that is proceeding forward. Charges include kidnapping. Plaintiffs number 250+. The reason they have gotten away with it is because government officials are some of the ones who have profited from these scams. As far as what I am trying to get people believe, I don't think anyone is reading this but you. I am certainly not being paid, I'm sorry you are not astute enough to understand what I wrote. You are obviously the one who is getting paid to be here. Overpaid in my opinion. If you are the best they can do they are in a sad state of affairs. The facts are that they have gotten away with it all because they can afford to, for the time being.

If they wanted to discredit these lies and avoid the lawsuit, they can videotape all of their "escorts" and their methods. That doesn't happen because they will prove that the survivors are TELLING THE TRUTH!!! I was totally on board with survivors not lying. I agree that this discredits and hurts those who tell the truth. But I have not seen one instance of a complete fabrication, only embellishing on true abuse. You sidestep every truth you are faced with. This bores me. Who can you possibly be to accuse others of lying?

I graduated both seminars, they called them Discovery and Focus when I was in, I staffed seminars and was one week from moving up to level 4 (junior staff) from the family leader position when I left. And that was actually doing pretty well for a 1 year stay. So for you to say that all people who lie about this abuse, which you accuse me of, were people who didn't do well. I did very well. So what is your new story?

And why are those lies. Kidnap-verb (used with object), -napped or -naped, -nap·ping or -nap·ing.  
to steal, carry off, or abduct by force or fraud.

How is it again that these are lies?

Oh, I'm sorry, where did I lie? I'm the one making things up? Where's your proof of that. My program was shut down for allegations of abuse (Paradise Cove, Brightway, look that up), the sister programs in Mexico, Jamaica, and Costa Rica shut down because of allegations of abuse. Lets not forget that some of these programs are in third world countries and were shut down by their governments. Don't you think it is a little odd that a program that is perfectly within the law gets shut down? Over and over and over and over. The only way they are able to re-open is by switching up ownership and playing little legal games. Their tactics are so shady that they are facing a 100,000,000 dollar lawsuit. Prove that one word of what I said is a lie.

Yes allegations. I know that's where you are going. But if these allegations are so unfounded, why are these programs repeatedly getting shut down. They could easily prove their innocence by letting authorities in, or by videotaping to prove these kids are lying. Do you think that will happen? Of course not. You know it and I know it. They could prove these kids are lying in a heartbeat, IF THEY WERE LYING!!! But since they're not, that makes it a little more difficult.

And I am so sorry for calling you a Nazi, if you didn't sound like such a fascist I wouldn't have made the remark. Your wordplay and attempts to discredit are very indicative of Mein Kampf, of course without the intelligence.

I thought I just went over that, no there are no reports, because their parents the, legal guardians, hire someone to kidnap them. I am sure that cooperative kids were treated better than uncooperative ones, throughout the program I saw that to be true. My point remains though, the mental patient loophole. If a parent handcuffed their kid in the back of a car and got caught, they would get arrested. Just because they found a way around the law, doesn't make it right. I still don't see how this constitutes as a lie. The reason people went to brightway before going to Samoa is so they could effectively break them first, I guarantee you things would have not gone so smoothly for them if they tried to put kids straight on a plane over to Samoa against their will. Just because they are intelligent enough to find ways to legally kidnap, doesn't make it any less wrong. Where is the lie? You started a thread about Survivor Lies, but you have shown nothing to prove a single lie. A broad generalization, how about one specific instance. If what they do is so benign, why is there no videotape of these "escorts". Why wouldn't they show that they are doing nothing wrong, especially because they are facing millions of dollars in lawsuits over the allegations. I know why they don't have videotapes of it, because if they showed what really went on, they would not only be facing civil suits, they would be facing criminal charges for kidnapping, because that's what it is.

I don't think Muslims in all the attacks and people they killed have come anywhere near the murders committed by Catholicism or Christianity. They've got a long ways to go to catch up.

I am still curious Whooter. Where exactly have you found a lie. It seems a little ridiculous that you start a thread about survivors lying, and of all the posts you have made have not identified one single lie. Even the post I made, the only post in this entire thread that cited a real example, still could be my perspective over someone elses, there were about three hundred kids there that day. In addition, that really wasn't about abuse, it was about a dog. I have witnessed and experienced myself many levels of abuse. And since we seem to keep going back to the kidnapping versus escort, I think the only reason it is not legally considered kidnapping because of the loophole they've been able to exploit in respect to classifying kids as mental patients. If a parent put their kids in handcuffs or zipties they would be charged with abuse, no matter how out of control that kid was. As far as comparing it to cops arresting kids, if they had broken the law they would be arrested, and prisoners are treated better than the kids in these programs. It is a loophole they've been able to use, that doesn't make it right. I think you said it best yourself when you remarked that Nazis called the rounding up of Jews into concentration camps as "relocation". I'm sure you don't see it that way though, you sound like the kind of person that supports Naziism and you probably think the Holocaust wasn't real.

I see exactly what you mean. You are the one that brought me into this thread in the first place. I don't like the fact that some people lie about the abuse. You opened this whole discussion and I haven't seen you reference one thing, one lie as you call it. I really just don't understand what you are attempting to accomplish. I mean, you accuse people of lying, but you haven't stated one instance in which there was a lie. So I'm curious, I shared my experience of a lie, what is yours? Do you actually have one? Or is this some kind of attempt at discrediting an entire group of people to save yourself from abuse charges?