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Title: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
This forum is filled with people posting their negative program experiences. It's great this forum is open to post whatever they want, so I started a thread here where you can go ahead and post your positive program experiences. Most people who have read my posts know that I had a positive program experience for the most part. I faced some difficulties and challenges, but I don't consider it abusive and I honestly accredit the program with saving my life, when all the other traditional treatment options failed to do so.

This thread is dedicated to creating a positive atmosphere, sort of like a safe haven from all the bitterness and negative energy that can be so pervasive on this forum. Please only post your positive experiences in this thread, and people who don't agree, please don't use this thread to tell people they don't know what happened to them.  I am putting my trust in the people of fornits to respect this, and I hope that this thread can have an adult and mature conversation about some of the positive things that happened in treatment. Even if you had a horrible experience in programs, perhaps there was at least 1 positive example of someone being nice to you. Think about it and realize that posting a positive part of treatment does not negate any negative experiences, and that this forum is filled with the negative. I think it's time we start to talk about the positive a little bit.

Thanks. Please feel free to start, I will post my own soon enough.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 02:44:43 PM
I was having a rough time with adapting to the program and was acting up and misbehaving a lot. I was cruel to the staff and tried to manipulate them in order to send me home. When the holidays came around all the other kids got stuff mailed from their parents. I didn't get anything, and no explanation why. This just made me more upset and want to not participate in treatment even more. But when I got back to where I sleep there on my bed was a king size snickers bar and a note from one of the staff I was really mean to. "merry christmas, from the staff". I cried myself to sleep that night, some tears from sadness my parents forgot about me and cries of happiness that somebody else did care.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 09, 2010, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I was having a rough time with adapting to the program and was acting up and misbehaving a lot. I was cruel to the staff and tried to manipulate them in order to send me home. When the holidays came around all the other kids got stuff mailed from their parents. I didn't get anything, and no explanation why. This just made me more upset and want to not participate in treatment even more. But when I got back to where I sleep there on my bed was a king size snickers bar and a note from one of the staff I was really mean to. "merry christmas, from the staff". I cried myself to sleep that night, some tears from sadness my parents forgot about me and cries of happiness that somebody else did care.


What's your point?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 03:05:52 PM
I'm posting a positive experience while in treatment. There's no point, just sharing experiences. That's what this thread is for, people are free to share their own if they feel like it. I will post more in time.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 09, 2010, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I'm posting a positive experience while in treatment. There's no point, just sharing experiences. That's what this thread is for, people are free to share their own if they feel like it. I will post more in time.


No, you specifically said you wanted only positive experiences posted here.
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Please only post your positive experiences in this thread
  Fuck that.  This is not your message board.   My experience in Stepcraft sucked.  I will post more in time.  In this thread.  If you don't like it, start your own message board.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 03:21:33 PM
I asked politely and said please. I don't demand anything from anyone, and don't have any control over what people say. You can start a thread right now titled "post your negative program experiences", that would be respectful. Or you can post them here , nobody can stop you. I sure can't, I don't have the power to edit or control other people's posts. All I can do is ask politely, and treat people the way I wish to be treated. This is my strategy now on fornits, and I refuse to be drawn into the emotional ego driven political fights that dominate so much of fornits. I am here to offer my experiences and wish to speak with people who can be mature and respectful.

I didn't love being in a program. But I am also mature enough now to admit honestly that it did save my life. Sometimes it was challenging and difficult, and I hated it. But there were also times when a little thing, like what I posted earlier, happened and it was like a ray of hope during a difficult time. I don't think it's that strange to want to discuss things other than the worst things about treatment, for me at least, it wasn't all bad. Thanks for your post..
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 09, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
Anne,
I had to explain this to None-Ya also. You Seedlings and Straight folk here on fornits are a bit skewed, I'm not sure why.
Suck It is not looking for confrontation here on this thread, it is very simple, "post positive material". If you don't want to, that is fine, then all he asks is don't post here.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Fnord on August 09, 2010, 03:29:14 PM
Your parents were fuckeheads that forgot you at christmastime and then The program bought you for leaving A SNICKERS on your bed? (http://http://annarborgrocerydelivery.com/shop/images/snickersbar.jpg) I guess it really Does satisfy...
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 09, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
Ok all seriousness aside,
The most positive program experience I can remember is when I was finally able to run away!
I'm not kidding
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 06:09:22 PM
I'll second that. The day I left the program was a very positive experience as well.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: "Fnord"
Your parents were fuckeheads that forgot you at christmastime and then The program bought you for leaving A SNICKERS on your bed?  I guess it really Does satisfy...

Well like the saying goes, its the little things in life that mean the most. I don't know if my parents forgot, I think they told me that they thought they weren't supposed to send anything, thats what they told me at least. I was told different things by different people, so I don't put much thought into it. But the staff who took the time to make my day better is something I will never forgot, like I said, the little things are important sometimes.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 09, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
There are positive experiences but I have to go with what many here said which was the day my daughter got out  (I think she would agree also).  Seeing her smiling face during and after graduation tops all the other experiences.

Then of course I was happy when I finally wrote the final check also lol.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
Positive program experience.

(http://http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/24/Death2.gif)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: T-Rex on August 09, 2010, 06:57:56 PM
It is encouraging to see the positive messages coming from parents and students.
Off topic for a second but why is "PODK's" so enthralled with posting very disgusting
video's and pictures. What exactly does he think he is accomplishing other then telling
everyone he is a sadistic weirdo. That is the only message that I can see he is sending.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 07:13:34 PM
No, "very disgusting" is when you send your kids to get abused and then make statements commending troll threads in which people said that such abuse was positive.

3guys1hammer is mild by comparison.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 07:46:07 PM
Nobody said abuse was positive. I don't think anybody posting on fornits wants to see kids abused in treatment centers. I think everybody can agree that abusers should be punished and treatment should be positive and of course, not abusive. I don't know of any parents who want to pay to have their child abused while in treatment, they want their kid helped not hurt.

I wanted to start a discussion on the positive things that happen in programs, because positive things do happen in programs. I've seen it myself, and experienced it myself. Even if you are having a negative experience, something positive might have happened. It can be a nice reminder that not everyone is evil to discuss this topic. I am not trying to tell people who were abused that they weren't. But at the same time I believe that just because bad things happen in programs, it doesn't mean positive things don't happen ever.

For instance I could have taken the view that not receiving presents on holidays was some sick and twisted trick by my parents to hurt me. But out of that negative experience what I took was the fact that here is a program staff, that I gave nothing but shit to, for a long time. I really hated that staff person, and I let them knew and made their life and job difficult. This is someone who then goes out of their way, spends what little money they have, on a kid who hates them. Because they felt sorry for me for being the only person who didn't get any gifts from home. That is a humbling experience, and it was. I felt like the asshole that I was, and the staff demonstrated what a caring person they really were. They could have been petty and laughed at me, but instead they swallowed their pride and made a gesture that still has a lasting impact on me to this day. People like this make an example of what it is to be a good person, and I strive to live up to such examples to this day. I don't think that staff to this day knows what a big impact they made on me, and probably never will. It shows you, what you view as a small gesture of good will can change somebody's entire outlook on life. I am humbled by this type of person with such kindness, truly humbled to such a degree I can't even put it in words.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
So your soul is worth less than a candy bar. Good to know.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: T-Rex on August 09, 2010, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
No, "very disgusting" is when you send your kids to get abused and then make statements commending troll threads in which people said that such abuse was positive.

3guys1hammer is mild by comparison.

PODKs, I don't believe your message is being received they way you want it to.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
Perhaps the message can be better expressed like this, then.

(http://http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/1d/Screwdriver.gif)

This kind of bullshit isn't worth the dignity of communication; you say absolutely nothing of value and promote nothing but sick shit. I mean we have the OP saying that he feels like a staff member had empathy for him because he got a 70-cent candy bar in exchange for God only knows how long of isolation. Really? Jesus fuckchrist, that's not even Charles Dickens. That's like something you'd find on Deeker before somebody put an end to that site.

I'm not about to pretend that saying that is positive contains some kind of rationality, sense, or even common humanity to base a conversation on. Shock images are all you get.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 09, 2010, 08:15:36 PM
It was a king size candy bar, so it probably cost more than 70 cents. The point is, it doesn't matter how much it cost. The thing most people would have done in that staff's shoes would be to laugh at me, and think to themselves that stupid kid got exactly what he deserved. I was some arrogant kid telling this staff all sorts of horrible things, the kind of stuff I won't even repeat here, but believe me when I say it was downright cruel. I thought I was better than this person, just a stupid staffer working in a program, right? Can't they get a real job? What a loser! Well it turned out, they taught me an important lesson about life. I wasn't better than he was, as I thought at the time. The truth was, and still is, he's a better person than I will ever be. It probably cost him a dollar fifty, and a few minutes of effort. To me it was priceless, and a lesson in humanity I'll never forget.

I am going to ask you for a favor, and you don't have to do it if you don't want to. But would you be so kind as to edit out the images of violence from this thread? They only take away from the input you are offering which is appreciated. It would mean a lot to me, thanks for considering it. I would really, appreciate it.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 08:28:32 PM
Edit out the sick shit about how you were psychologically beaten down to the point where a staffer could literally buy your eternal loyalty for a candy bar, and I might think about it.

Or better yet, don't. I know you're in the habit of deleting your own posts, and God knows I'm not about to quote it and would rather see this wiped from the Internet like bird shit from a wind shield, but just the fact that you actually posted about how good it was that you were isolated, humiliated, and your worldview shrunk to the point where your entire value system was literally worth less than a buck fifty is one for the record books. Normally I'd just call "troll" flat but like so many other things on Fornits I don't think you can possibly be making this up.

Sick. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even sure I can find a comparable image. Pain Series, Ogrish-style gore, Mr. Hands, and men in kiddie-pools full of feces don't even come close. This isn't the sickest thing I've read online but hot damn you're in the running.

Seriously. A fucking candy bar.

And you want this to happen to more kids.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 09, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Edit out the sick shit about how you were psychologically beaten down to the point where a staffer could literally buy your eternal loyalty for a candy bar, and I might think about it.

Or better yet, don't. I know you're in the habit of deleting your own posts, and God knows I'm not about to quote it and would rather see this wiped from the Internet like bird shit from a wind shield, but just the fact that you actually posted about how good it was that you were isolated, humiliated, and your worldview shrunk to the point where your entire value system was literally worth less than a buck fifty is one for the record books. Normally I'd just call "troll" flat but like so many other things on Fornits I don't think you can possibly be making this up.

Sick. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even sure I can find a comparable image. Pain Series, Ogrish-style gore, Mr. Hands, and men in kiddie-pools full of feces don't even come close. This isn't the sickest thing I've read online but hot damn you're in the running.

Seriously. A fucking candy bar.

And you want this to happen to more kids.

PODKs,  the candy bar isnt the issue.  Why does the cost or value of something mean so much to you?  You are not listening.  There are kids who get $50,000 dollars worth of presents at Christams time but have parents who are not there for them.  This counselor who SuckIt was giving crap to was able to look past all of that and was there for him at Christmas time and showed compassion.  Do you think that all staff people are abusive?

I think you get fixated on a certain message and then cant see past it.  Try to listen to what people are saying here.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 08:52:40 PM
And of course we have the resident sick fuck ready to step in.

Let's say I kept a dog in the basement. No air, no outside, just a tiny cage.

Then after a year of that, I threw a bone between the bars with tiny scraps of meat left, and it gnaws on it hungrily while it sits there mangy and neglected.

Did I show compassion to the dog? The dog sure appreciated that bone.

That's not compassion. That's just plain sick. It's like leaving a man in the desert and then pissing on his face when he's dehydrated, and saying how compassionate you are when he drinks your piss. But they did this to him for so long that now HE's thinking it's compassion.

This is some foul fucking shit.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 09, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Edit out the sick shit about how you were psychologically beaten down to the point where a staffer could literally buy your eternal loyalty for a candy bar, and I might think about it.

Or better yet, don't. I know you're in the habit of deleting your own posts, and God knows I'm not about to quote it and would rather see this wiped from the Internet like bird shit from a wind shield, but just the fact that you actually posted about how good it was that you were isolated, humiliated, and your worldview shrunk to the point where your entire value system was literally worth less than a buck fifty is one for the record books. Normally I'd just call "troll" flat but like so many other things on Fornits I don't think you can possibly be making this up.

Sick. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even sure I can find a comparable image. Pain Series, Ogrish-style gore, Mr. Hands, and men in kiddie-pools full of feces don't even come close. This isn't the sickest thing I've read online but hot damn you're in the running.

Seriously. A fucking candy bar.

And you want this to happen to more kids.

PODKs,  the candy bar isnt the issue.  Why does the cost or value of something mean so much to you?  You are not listening.  There are kids who get $50,000 dollars worth of presents at Christams time but have parents who are not there for them.  This counselor who SuckIt was giving crap to was able to look past all of that and was there for him at Christmas time and showed compassion.  Do you think that all staff people are abusive?

I think you get fixated on a certain message and then cant see past it.  Try to listen to what people are saying here.



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The only fixation here is yours on fat program tuition money.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 09, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

PODKs,  the candy bar isnt the issue.  Why does the cost or value of something mean so much to you?  You are not listening.  There are kids who get $50,000 dollars worth of presents at Christams time but have parents who are not there for them.  This counselor who SuckIt was giving crap to was able to look past all of that and was there for him at Christmas time and showed compassion.  Do you think that all staff people are abusive?

I think you get fixated on a certain message and then cant see past it.  Try to listen to what people are saying here.



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Actually, the candy bar is the issue. The issue of grooming for the purposes of exploitation to be exact. I find it very worrisome and it makes me wonder what really went on that Sucked Off can't or won't tell us about.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
The issue of grooming for the purposes of exploitation to be exact. I find it very worrisome and it makes me wonder what really went on that Sucked Off can't or won't tell us about.

Gookin, I was kind of hoping that if something like that did happen he'd inadvertently tell us himself. Thing is, for most programmies the fetish really is just to humiliate children, and there isn't much more to it than that. Touching optional. Wouldn't surprise me if it did happen, though.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 09, 2010, 09:02:31 PM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Quote from: "Whooter"

PODKs,  the candy bar isnt the issue.  Why does the cost or value of something mean so much to you?  You are not listening.  There are kids who get $50,000 dollars worth of presents at Christams time but have parents who are not there for them.  This counselor who SuckIt was giving crap to was able to look past all of that and was there for him at Christmas time and showed compassion.  Do you think that all staff people are abusive?

I think you get fixated on a certain message and then cant see past it.  Try to listen to what people are saying here.



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Actually, the candy bar is the issue. The issue of grooming for the purposes of exploitation to be exact. I find it very worrisome and it makes me wonder what really went on that Sucked Off can't or won't tell us about.

I read the OP again and I dont see where SUCK IT says this counselor abused him or locked him in a cage and then he was grateful for a candy Bar.  Did you lock kids in cages and beat them, Che?  Did Dysfunction Junction and Joel abuse these kids.  If a kid in your group didnt receive any gifts at Christmas and you gave them a gift should it be thrown back in your face?  Should they spit on you?

You take every possible situation and turn it into a negative.  You are so closed minded you cant even see another persons point of view or wonder why they feel the way they do.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 09, 2010, 09:04:58 PM
I think he may have just let a bit slip. Chances are he'll deny it all, but despite that we've gained a window into his real program experience. The one he keeps on denying for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 09, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I read the OP again and I dont see where SUCK IT says this counselor abused him or locked him in a cage and then he was grateful for a candy Bar.  Did you lock kids in cages and beat them, Che?  Did Dysfunction Junction and Joel abuse these kids.  If a kid in your group didnt receive any gifts at Christmas and you gave them a gift should it be thrown back in your face?  Should they spit on you?

You take every possible situation and turn it into a negative.  You are so closed minded you cant even see another persons point of view or wonder why they feel the way they do.





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I never gave any of the kids in my group anything for christmas or birthday. If their parents were too skint to bother the facility ponied up a few bucks for something. They did this to prevent allegations and such of grooming of the residents.  

And of course sucked it hasn't said anything about being groomed, he's just not ready to say it. Give him some time and he will.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 09, 2010, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I read the OP again and I dont see where SUCK IT says this counselor abused him or locked him in a cage and then he was grateful for a candy Bar.  Did you lock kids in cages and beat them, Che?  Did Dysfunction Junction and Joel abuse these kids.  If a kid in your group didnt receive any gifts at Christmas and you gave them a gift should it be thrown back in your face?  Should they spit on you?

You take every possible situation and turn it into a negative.  You are so closed minded you cant even see another persons point of view or wonder why they feel the way they do.





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I never gave any of the kids in my group anything for christmas or birthday. If their parents were too skint to bother the facility ponied up a few bucks for something. They did this to prevent allegations and such of grooming of the residents.  

And of course sucked it hasn't said anything about being groomed, he's just not ready to say it. Give him some time and he will.

Sorry, I dont know what the whole grooming term means.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
No, you're just pretending you don't because you want to pretend the implications don't exist. For everyone else, this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27806) should be a primer.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: T-Rex on August 09, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
And of course we have the resident sick fuck ready to step in.

Let's say I kept a dog in the basement. No air, no outside, just a tiny cage.

Then after a year of that, I threw a bone between the bars with tiny scraps of meat left, and it gnaws on it hungrily while it sits there mangy and neglected.

Did I show compassion to the dog? The dog sure appreciated that bone.

That's not compassion. That's just plain sick. It's like leaving a man in the desert and then pissing on his face when he's dehydrated, and saying how compassionate you are when he drinks your piss. But they did this to him for so long that now HE's thinking it's compassion.

This is some foul fucking shit.

From what I have read about you PODKs you have no conceptual bases for saying any of the things you say. Other then to be a anarchist. Your extreme antics are childish and demonstrates your lack of self worth.
Why you get the attention you do is beyond me.
Please hold up your end of the spectrum Pile, we all need to see the darkness at times but know this it is only one color.
A very isolated and lonely shade.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 09, 2010, 10:04:07 PM
Seems like the new guy has your number Pile. Actually you don't even have a number, that is about as much consequence you have here.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 09, 2010, 10:13:58 PM
Please. Tell us the good and holy things that come from reducing a teenager to the point where he can be bought for a candy bar. Be detailed. Tell us why it's so much of a positive experience that a staffer handed him a $1.50 candy bar after his parents spent many thousands to lock him away for however many months. This is straight-up textbook Stockholm Syndrome right here.

Quote from: "Wikipedia's article on Stockholm Syndrome"
In cases where Stockholm syndrome has occurred, the captive is in a situation where the captor has stripped nearly all forms of independence and gained control of the victimís life, as well as basic needs for survival. Some experts say that the hostage regresses to, perhaps, a state of infancy; the captive must cry for food, remain silent, and exist in an extreme state of dependence. In contrast, the perpetrator serves as a 'mother' ?gure protecting the 'child' from a threatening outside world, including law enforcementís deadly weapons. The victim then begins a struggle for survival, both relying on and identifying with the captor. Possibly, hostagesí motivation to live outweighs their impulse to hate the person who created their dilemma.

In many cases, capture may also involve the killing (or threat of killing) of the captive's relatives, thereby isolating the captive. The captive is subjected to isolation and so sees even a small act, such as providing amenities, as a great favour. Such captives may side with their captors while believing their captors have conferred on them great importance and love.

So. Many. Similarities.

I love it when you fucks start calling me dark in lieu of better insults. I thought I was fully inured to the dark side before I saw this shit. I thought I'd seen goddamn near everything. Hell, I even recognize a form of this humiliation fetish. But when I first saw it, it was fiction, mostly written by people who would never have the temerity or lack of common sense to actually do it; most of them could tell the difference between their own fetishes and reality.

You can't tell the difference.

If there were a Hell, you'd have a very, *very* special place in it.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 10, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
My positive program experience:

The day I successfully split.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 10, 2010, 10:35:19 AM
The only good thing I got out of Straight was that I was a timid, very shy person before I went in.  A doormat.  Straight taught me to be a raging bitch.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Troll Control on August 10, 2010, 12:19:46 PM
Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Edit out the sick shit about how you were psychologically beaten down to the point where a staffer could literally buy your eternal loyalty for a candy bar, and I might think about it.

Or better yet, don't. I know you're in the habit of deleting your own posts, and God knows I'm not about to quote it and would rather see this wiped from the Internet like bird shit from a wind shield, but just the fact that you actually posted about how good it was that you were isolated, humiliated, and your worldview shrunk to the point where your entire value system was literally worth less than a buck fifty is one for the record books. Normally I'd just call "troll" flat but like so many other things on Fornits I don't think you can possibly be making this up.

Sick. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even sure I can find a comparable image. Pain Series, Ogrish-style gore, Mr. Hands, and men in kiddie-pools full of feces don't even come close. This isn't the sickest thing I've read online but hot damn you're in the running.

Seriously. A fucking candy bar.

And you want this to happen to more kids.

PODKs,  the candy bar isnt the issue.  Why does the cost or value of something mean so much to you?  You are not listening.  There are kids who get $50,000 dollars worth of presents at Christams time but have parents who are not there for them.  This counselor who SuckIt was giving crap to was able to look past all of that and was there for him at Christmas time and showed compassion.  Do you think that all staff people are abusive?

I think you get fixated on a certain message and then cant see past it.  Try to listen to what people are saying here.



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The only fixation here is yours on fat program tuition money.

So true, Niles.  So true.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 10, 2010, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: "T-Rex"

From what I have read about you PODKs you have no conceptual bases for saying any of the things you say. Other then to be a anarchist. Your extreme antics are childish and demonstrates your lack of self worth.
Why you get the attention you do is beyond me.
Please hold up your end of the spectrum Pile, we all need to see the darkness at times but know this it is only one color.
A very isolated and lonely shade.

PODKs posting of shock pictures typically occurs after he has been ignored or does not have anything to contribute on that particular issue which would be of interest or just plain doesnít like the discussion.  He is terrible at holding his own in a discussion that last for more than a few postings.  I donít know his age, but if he were say 14 or under then this may be typical when not getting the attention he feels he needs.  But if he is older than that his actions are probably due to a maturation issue which can be slowed down by heavy drug use or prescribed medications.

Severe alcohol use can slow the maturation process down to almost a standstill in some cases.  This is what I was referring to earlier about fornits being interesting on many levels.

There are many others who actually adhere their opinions to themselves thereby taking anyone who disagrees with them as a personal insult and will attack you as if they had been attacked themselves instead of trying to understand the other persons point of view and communicate their thoughts of how they came to the conclusion they did.  This is much more common on fornits than I have seen anywhere else.

PODKs feeds off of people who react to him (like I am here lol) and very well could be just a young kid having fun.  For the most part he is fairly benign and stays in the shadows.  I donít think he has any connection to the industry at all and my guess is he probably trolls many web sites at a simultaneously. To see if he can get a reaction.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 10, 2010, 12:35:43 PM
It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a positive experience, but its interpreted as abusive and I am dismissed as brainwashed, naive or not fully understanding what happened to me. The truth is we got candy bars every week, and our pick of junk food products, we weren't lacking these things. I don't even particularly like chocolate bars that much, I'd rather have hot tamales or something like that, and a Dr Pepper. But it wasn't about the candy bar, it was about one person being nice to another person. It's a simple lesson in humanity that could have happened anywhere, but it happened to occur in a program.

It really doesn't bother me that people interpret things in their own ways, through their own biased lens. I suppose this is to be expected especially on this forum. But it makes it difficult to have an open and honest conversation when everything you say is twisted to fit into an existing narrative, that says all treatment it abusive, and that all staff are pedophile predators using candy bars to seduce teenage boys. It's such a distortion of reality, I don't even know what to say. But I'm sure people who can see things as they are, not as they wish them to be, understand the point to my story.

More to come, stay tuned.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 10, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a positive experience, but its interpreted as abusive and I am dismissed as brainwashed, naive or not fully understanding what happened to me. The truth is we got candy bars every week, and our pick of junk food products, we weren't lacking these things. I don't even particularly like chocolate bars that much, I'd rather have hot tamales or something like that, and a Dr Pepper. But it wasn't about the candy bar, it was about one person being nice to another person. It's a simple lesson in humanity that could have happened anywhere, but it happened to occur in a program.

It really doesn't bother me that people interpret things in their own ways, through their own biased lens. I suppose this is to be expected especially on this forum. But it makes it difficult to have an open and honest conversation when everything you say is twisted to fit into an existing narrative, that says all treatment it abusive, and that all staff are pedophile predators using candy bars to seduce teenage boys. It's such a distortion of reality, I don't even know what to say. But I'm sure people who can see things as they are, not as they wish them to be, understand the point to my story.

More to come, stay tuned.


It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a negative experience, but its interpreted as therapeutic and I am dismissed as drug addled, hateful or not fully understanding that it was for my own good.

The truth is we got dixie cups of water 2x a day and dry peanut butter sandwiches and spoiled food every week, we were lacking proper nutrition and sleep and they'd make us leave the door open while taking a shit and showering. I don't even particularly like spoiled food that much, I'd rather have hot tamales or something like that, and a Dr Pepper. But it wasn't about the malnutrition, it was about controlling every move we made. It's a simple lesson in torture and re-education that could have happened anywhere, but it happened to occur in a program.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Dr Fucktard on August 10, 2010, 12:48:58 PM
Great thread, great topic!!!

 :tup:  :tup:  :tup:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 10, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a negative experience, but its interpreted as therapeutic and I am dismissed as drug addled, hateful or not fully understanding that it was for my own good.

Welcome to fornits, Anne,  my statements are morphed all the time.  I say my daughter did well in a program and many respond here that she was brainwashed.  I say I am a program parent and I am dismissed as an industry person.....  I could go on and on.

Its a fornits thing, you are just not use to being on the receiving end thats all.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 10, 2010, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a positive experience, but its interpreted as abusive and I am dismissed as brainwashed, naive or not fully understanding what happened to me. The truth is we got candy bars every week, and our pick of junk food products, we weren't lacking these things. I don't even particularly like chocolate bars that much, I'd rather have hot tamales or something like that, and a Dr Pepper. But it wasn't about the candy bar, it was about one person being nice to another person. It's a simple lesson in humanity that could have happened anywhere, but it happened to occur in a program.

It really doesn't bother me that people interpret things in their own ways, through their own biased lens. I suppose this is to be expected especially on this forum. But it makes it difficult to have an open and honest conversation when everything you say is twisted to fit into an existing narrative, that says all treatment it abusive, and that all staff are pedophile predators using candy bars to seduce teenage boys. It's such a distortion of reality, I don't even know what to say. But I'm sure people who can see things as they are, not as they wish them to be, understand the point to my story.

More to come, stay tuned.


It's interesting to see a group of people attempt to morph my own statements into something they are not.  I post a negative experience, but its interpreted as therapeutic and I am dismissed as drug addled, hateful or not fully understanding that it was for my own good.

The truth is we got dixie cups of water 2x a day and dry peanut butter sandwiches and spoiled food every week, we were lacking proper nutrition and sleep and they'd make us leave the door open while taking a shit and showering. I don't even particularly like spoiled food that much, I'd rather have hot tamales or something like that, and a Dr Pepper. But it wasn't about the malnutrition, it was about controlling every move we made. It's a simple lesson in torture and re-education that could have happened anywhere, but it happened to occur in a program.


Oh Anna Banana, can we get anymore dramatic. I really believe you think your the only one that ever went to Straight. So if you want to embellish you think you can.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 10, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"

Oh Anna Banana, can we get anymore dramatic. I really believe you think your the only one that ever went to Straight. So if you want to embellish you think you can.


Ask anyone else who was in Straight and they'll tell you the exact same thing.  And I was in there with 350 - 400 kids.  I could give a shit if you believe me or not.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 10, 2010, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "DannyB II"

Oh Anna Banana, can we get anymore dramatic. I really believe you think your the only one that ever went to Straight. So if you want to embellish you think you can.


Ask anyone else who was in Straight and they'll tell you the exact same thing.  And I was in there with 350 - 400 kids.  I could give a shit if you believe me or not.

It's not a question of whether I believe you or not, it is your way of commenting. Like you ate rotten food everyday.
Anne, I was in the service every so often contaminated food came are way. At Elan I remember many times the can goods having to be throw out because of contamination. These things happen at large facilities.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 10, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
The difference, of course, is that at Straight they didn't throw it out.

But you knew that.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 10, 2010, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
The difference, of course, is that at Straight they didn't throw it out.

But you knew that.

One question, how do you know if they did or did not.
Pile then thinks ?????.....Oh, I read that here somewhere, so that makes it OK to repeat it.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: T-Rex on August 10, 2010, 04:07:59 PM
I can see that many of you started posting very early this morning. I am already at work at the time you members post. How exactly do you do it. You must be still at home or you have bosses that don't have a constant eye on you.
Now on to the topic of the thread.
My only positive experience is my friend Johann, making it through his program in one piece. Johann was a very angry
young man when his mother sent him away, I believe he was 15yrs. and came back home at 17yrs. Yes, this is right because he finished his last year of high school with our class.
Johann seemed a bit awkward when he first got back home, like he wanted to explain something to me but could not. I found this to be true because he would often start conversations then trail off in thought and say, never mind". He appeared always preoccupied. Over the school year this seemed to pass until Johann was just like the old Johann but better. Whatever it was that was making him so angry all the time had been resolved.
There is so much more I could get into concerning Johann but I really don't believe it is my place. I feel like I would be breaking are bond we share.
Well that is all I have to share on this topic.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 10, 2010, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
My positive program experience:

The day I successfully split.


Splitting may have been my best program experience, though unsuccessful. I spent a few days as a hitchhiker/bushman, some of it was fun, but it was kind of terrifying b/c I could not go home. All of my friends had been hounded at home and work so I was just going where I could get rides to until I gave up. It wasnít very glamorous, but it was a brief and memorable adventure before ending up at Ascent, wilderness bootcamp.  I already knew better than to fight the escorts so I was complacent. All I remember thinking was, at least Iíll get to smoke cigarettes on the way. All the students who had been to Ascent would tell tales of being able to smoke on the way, so I figured I would get to.


Well I donít remember all the details, but soon after we left I asked if we could get some cigarettes. He told me Ďnoí because I had already been in the program and he usually only did it for those heading in for the first time.  I was pissed, but not much I could do.  I was going to do what he said either way.


Anyways, after a good 24hrs of traveling we were about half hour from Ascent and he says, this is the last place to stop for cigarettes if I want any. Of motherfuckin COURSE I want some smokes! so we get some, and let me tell you that first cigarette was amazing, unforgettable, you don't forget something like that. There may have been times where Iíve  really enjoyed one , but nothing that stands out nearly as much as in this final moment of impending doom where this little bit of relief was offered.  


So I get to smoke for a little while, we get to Ascent, first words I hear are Ďwelcome to hellí and strip search. It was pretty hellish, 6 weeks, lots of exercise and labor, I hated Ďtaking a stumpí where they made you sit and keep your balance on a Ďstumpí, which was really a thin stick, in the center of camp. The counselors would comment on your discomfort. I remember they would say Ďdonít fartí b/c the stick might go up your ass. There was plenty bad about the place, 5 min to eat, sleeping shoulder to shoulder on wood floor, physical labor all day every day, made to run in boots without laces, verbal berating. I knew all this before I got there but all in all it was a vacation compared to the kind of manipulation that went on a Cedu.  At least I knew I was being berated, and I wasnít supposed to pretend I wasnít. I actually thought about pulling some crazy stunt to keep me at Ascent longer, and not back to Cedu, because I knew I was going to have to berate MYSELF in front of everyone else very convincingly after I got back, which I did apparently.  


The point is, the escort knew I was about to go to a rough place, and I donít know if it was because he was feeling sympathetic or just wanted me to behave for the rest of the trip, but he offered me something he knew would mean a lot less in another situation, something I was thankful for, 30 min and a pack of smokes.  I donít feel as grateful to him now as I was then, but that was some satisfying cig. I tell you, these are the times you donít take what you have for granted, you suck the marrow out of life, which is just what I did with those smokes.



I donít smoke those things anymore thoughÖ. bad for you.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 11, 2010, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
The difference, of course, is that at Straight they didn't throw it out.

But you knew that.

One question, how do you know if they did or did not.


I can tell you from personal experience that they did not throw it out.  They served it to us and if we didn't clean our plates, we got "consequences" which could range from withholding food, being beaten, having the food forced down your throat or locked up in the "time out room" for days on end and more.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: shaggys on August 11, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
Entirely correct Anne, the food served at the building was slop and if you didn't eat it there would be hell to pay. If you were lucky enough to go to a decent host-home you might eat ok at night but that was definently the exception. Almost everyone I saw at Straight lost weight on 1st phase. Some lost a tremendous amount of weight due to the poor food and consequent malnutrition. I joined the Army about a year after leaving and ate like a king compared to what I had at Straight. Even the worst food ever given to me in the Army cannot compare to the rotten chicken (complete with feathers) served at Straight inc.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 11, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
By reading here we can see how programs vary greatly.  I was in the area for business and dropped in to see my daughter at ASR and they invited me to stay for dinner because she was on a restriction of some sort and wouldnít be available until dinner which was about an hour off.  The kids were joking and calling it ďmystery meatĒ night.  I sat in the main dining hall with all the other kids and my daughter and two kids in her peer group sat at my table.  They serve meals to accommodate Vegan and vegetarians which I was not aware of.  The ďMystery meatĒ was like a meat loaf but it really wasnít that bad and I am very picky, with real mashed potatoes and fresh beans and choice of 3 different beverages.  We all had to take out trays, clean our plates and put them in the racks (a certain way) to be cleaned.  They had pizza night and movie night in the big hall during the week also.

Most of the kids gained weight while staying there even though they were kept very active.  This is why I think it is important to listen to everyoneís experiences and stories and not judge the entire industry on just your personal experience.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 11, 2010, 03:54:07 PM
I lived on PB&J (sometimes no J) for 4 months.Once in a while we would get a couple of hot dogs at the oldcommers house
I would spend my days in group fantasizing about food. I would have eaten another PB&J if I could have. It's a wonder that I was able to memorize thier bullshit enough to eventually make it home. And when I did I gorged myself on anything and everything. Hell, even the food in jail was 5 star compared to the seed.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 11, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
We should do lunch. Chineese maybe?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 11, 2010, 04:08:40 PM
Guys I'm sorry to hear this, we ate like king and queens at Elan. I should know from 10/75 till 10/76 I delivered the food to all the houses, with the exception of Elan 4 where old farmer, Ken Day would in his little red Subaru.
Joe, was a fanatic about feeding his kids, "as he would say". Strange man, he could giveth and taketh at the same moment.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Eliscu2 on August 12, 2010, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: "none-ya"
We should do lunch. Chineese maybe?

I am free for Christmass  :cheers:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 12, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
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Eliscu2 wrote;
"I am free for Christmass"

Just as long as we don't have to sing jingle bells
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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Eliscu2 on August 13, 2010, 04:31:52 AM
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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 16, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
Here's another positive experience I had. On our birthday's we got a cake with our dinner, and share it with other people. So it created a relaxed and fun situation. We got to eat a lot and most people gained weight. I know the girls complained about it.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 16, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
Maybe I'd have more positive program experiences had I been sent to
FUCKING DISNEY WORLD TOO!
Cake? You gotta' be kidding.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 16, 2010, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Maybe I'd have more positive program experiences had I been sent to
FUCKING DISNEY WORLD TOO!
Cake? You gotta' be kidding.
I think you might have read too much about the rotten food that they served at Straight.  When my daughter attended ASR they celebrated birthdays by serving cake and ice cream with her closest friends and peer group.  Its very common whether you are celebrating inside or outside a program here in the states.  None-ya you may be from a different country and that may be why you see this as inappropriate.

In Canada they grease the kids nose with butter.. in China they serve noodles.. in England they mix objects into the cake.. but this isnt considered abusive.  Every culture celebrates in a different way.   You try too hard to make it seem like celebrating a child's birthday is anything but good.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: T-Rex on August 16, 2010, 09:27:28 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Maybe I'd have more positive program experiences had I been sent to
FUCKING DISNEY WORLD TOO!
Cake? You gotta' be kidding.

Maybe when you wake up from hell, you will realize up here we serve "cake".  Good luck.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 16, 2010, 09:42:48 PM
Cause there's a sugar-plum lollipop
cinnamon rainbow
At the program
There is some butterscotch
lemon-drop sugary sunshine
At the program.

AND THEY HAVE CAKE TOO!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 16, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
Theres no earthly way of knowing
which direction we are going

Theres no knowing where were going
or which way the boat is flowing

Is it raining? Is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a'blowing?

Not a speck of light is showing,
so the danger must be growing...
The fires of hell are glowing!
Is the grizzly reaper mowing?!?
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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 17, 2010, 01:18:50 AM
Believe it or not, birthdays and cake can be a bad thing. Hard to imagine but yes, birthday cake has been used as motivation in harmful settings. The manipulation of important things like birthdays wouldn't surprise me, so I wouldn't be all that shocked to find that some bad programs also had cake.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 17, 2010, 02:56:25 AM
They gave cakes to everybody,  so I don't see how it was used as manipulation. The most controversial part of the whole thing was who you would give the biggest pieces to. The cake was really big, like a 12"x24" cake pan with lots of frosting. You got to cut it up however you wanted and then give the pieces away to your friends. Since cake wasn't an everyday occurrence, it was a fun thing to get something that tasted so good. Some people would split their cakes evenly among everybody. Others would cut a couple huge pieces for their best friends, and then little pieces for everyone else. Everyone cut it differently, depending on who their friends were and stuff like that. But that didn't involve the staff or anything, because everybody got the exact same cake, same size and everything. It didn't matter how well you were doing in the program, everybody got a cake.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 17, 2010, 01:08:38 PM
Iím not saying your program made harmful use out of your birthday cake get together. However I have seen otherwise. People are expressing how they canít see it as a bad thing. In behavior modification settings positive and negative stimulus are used, birthday cake has been one of those things.  Harmful situations that motivate negative outcomes can utilize positive stimulus to achieve that end.  If your situation was different you may not have had the same positive memories that you have now. Itís good you were not taken advantage of in that way, and got to Ďhave your cake and eat it tooí.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 17, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: "Awake"
Iím not saying your program made harmful use out of your birthday cake get together. However I have seen otherwise. People are expressing how they canít see it as a bad thing. In behavior modification settings positive and negative stimulus are used, birthday cake has been one of those things.  Harmful situations that motivate negative outcomes can utilize positive stimulus to achieve that end.  If your situation was different you may not have had the same positive memories that you have now. Itís good you were not taken advantage of in that way, and got to Ďhave your cake and eat it tooí.

I think we can all agree that most of the kids are there to have their behavior modified.  BM isn't a bad thing, If they screw up and break the rules then they may have to miss out on some cake and ice cream.  The same rules apply if the kid were at home they would be kept home from the party.  I am sure these kids would have bad memories also, but its part of life in and out of programs.

Behavior modification occurs from the first day a child is born and continues throughout their life time.  We have all been through it otherwise we would all still be in diapers.


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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Ursus on August 17, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Awake"
Iím not saying your program made harmful use out of your birthday cake get together. However I have seen otherwise. People are expressing how they canít see it as a bad thing. In behavior modification settings positive and negative stimulus are used, birthday cake has been one of those things.  Harmful situations that motivate negative outcomes can utilize positive stimulus to achieve that end.  If your situation was different you may not have had the same positive memories that you have now. Itís good you were not taken advantage of in that way, and got to Ďhave your cake and eat it tooí.
I think we can all agree that most of the kids are there to have their behavior modified.  BM isn't a bad thing, If they screw up and break the rules then they may have to miss out on some cake and ice cream.  The same rules apply if the kid were at home they would be kept home from the party.  I am sure these kids would have bad memories also, but its part of life in and out of programs.

Behavior modification occurs from the first day a child is born and continues throughout their life time.  We have all been through it otherwise we would all still be in diapers.
Subjecting people to harmful psychological coercion and thought reform with the express aim of altering their character and persona ... is not the same thing as toilet training.

A more apt analogy would be beating your kid 'till he peed in the pot.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 17, 2010, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Awake"
Iím not saying your program made harmful use out of your birthday cake get together. However I have seen otherwise. People are expressing how they canít see it as a bad thing. In behavior modification settings positive and negative stimulus are used, birthday cake has been one of those things.  Harmful situations that motivate negative outcomes can utilize positive stimulus to achieve that end.  If your situation was different you may not have had the same positive memories that you have now. Itís good you were not taken advantage of in that way, and got to Ďhave your cake and eat it tooí.
I think we can all agree that most of the kids are there to have their behavior modified.  BM isn't a bad thing, If they screw up and break the rules then they may have to miss out on some cake and ice cream.  The same rules apply if the kid were at home they would be kept home from the party.  I am sure these kids would have bad memories also, but its part of life in and out of programs.

Behavior modification occurs from the first day a child is born and continues throughout their life time.  We have all been through it otherwise we would all still be in diapers.
Subjecting people to harmful psychological coercion and thought reform with the express aim of altering their character and persona ... is not the same thing as toilet training.

A more apt analogy would be beating your kid 'till he peed in the pot.

Ursus, I agree, toilet training at gun point would be harmful also.  But aside from that Behavior Modification isnt harmful and occurs throughout our life time.  This has been my experience with Therapeutic boarding Schools, not harmful psychological coercion.  Sometimes many here have the tendency to view all the programs based on the worst story or outcome.
I am sure we could all find example where BM has been used to hurt someone, but I dont think we could consider that the norm nor the intent.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 17, 2010, 02:38:15 PM
As far as behavior modification goes I donít think your being quite as creative as some programs out there. we got cake too and were limited to inviting I think 6 friends (one tables worth) to join. It wasnít a given of course, you could easily be denied it if you werenít progressing to their standards. I do remember that the invite limit put a bit of pressure on you to exclude friends and in essence publicly rank them, but I donít consider that a very extreme use of behavior modification, although I guess it might depend on what the program is asking for from the kid in exchange for friends and cake.

My program applied it in some unique ways, and I donít think it is all that hard to imagine that practitioners of BM would instinctively make use of the naturally occurring positive and negative anchors and rituals that are commonly learned in our culture and distort the meanings for effect.  Cakes, birthdays, friendships, you need to be careful with behavior modification.  Some things are not just a carrot on a stick, although this is the lesson taught.  You canít blame the kid for having a distorted view of those things after that, thatís the reality he was shown.  Again, Iím not saying SUCK IT had to deal with that, but it has happened.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 17, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
Guys we were talking about giving folks cake on there birthday. Jesus, must you over analyze everything.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 17, 2010, 05:47:22 PM
I think some folks underestimate the lengths to which some programs might go to motivate change in a person. I heard several people saying that they don't see how these could be made to be harmful or manipulative, coincidentally I know this to be untrue. From what SUCK IT said it seemed everyone had a birthday party without limitations, sounds like a birthday to me. It doesn't take on quite the same meaning if it is used to manipulate someone and gain agreements to motivate them later. Not like every kid in a program has to worry about it, I was just reponding to what was said, and frankly it wouldn't strike me to know it was common usage. It's not all that hard to imagine, although I don't think I could have been as creative as my program.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 17, 2010, 07:32:32 PM
Another positive experience I had was Thanksgiving dinner at the program. I was a lot more thankful for things then, when you realize how much you take for granted, after it's taken away. I was grateful that I was still alive and could make the choices needed to help myself. We got to eat a lot of food, and even desserts, and everyone had a lot of fun. It was kind of sad to be away from family, but being away made me appreciate them even more, and I knew if I improved myself I could be back with my family the next year's Thanksgiving. But the people I shared the dinner with were my new family so it was a positive experience overall.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 17, 2010, 10:54:49 PM
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Danny B  wrote;
"Guys we were talking about giving folks cake on there birthday. Jesus, must you over analyze everything."

Again everybody missed my piont. It's not that the cake symbolized anything in particular. Just the fact that it was there at all. In my 5 months in the program  We never celebrated anybody's birthday. Hell, we weren't alowed to speak to each other outside of the raps. I would have killed for a peice of cake. The program was filled with nothing but hate. And all the time they tell you that they love you. What a complete crock of shit. CAKE MY,ASS!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 17, 2010, 11:00:13 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
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Danny B  wrote;
"Guys we were talking about giving folks cake on there birthday. Jesus, must you over analyze everything."

Again everybody missed my piont. It's not that the cake symbolized anything in particular. Just the fact that it was there at all. In my 5 months in the program  We never celebrated anybody's birthday. Hell, we weren't alowed to speak to each other outside of the raps. I would have killed for a peice of cake. The program was filled with nothing but hate. And all the time they tell you that they love you. What a complete crock of shit. CAKE MY,ASS!

 Sorry, you could not have cake. Want a piece of mine?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 17, 2010, 11:00:59 PM
What, nobody's pointed out the obvious?

The cake is a lie.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 17, 2010, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
What, nobody's pointed out the obvious?

The cake is a lie.

No cake is just cake. Your a lie!!!!!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 17, 2010, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
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Danny B  wrote;
"Guys we were talking about giving folks cake on there birthday. Jesus, must you over analyze everything."

Again everybody missed my piont. It's not that the cake symbolized anything in particular. Just the fact that it was there at all. In my 5 months in the program  We never celebrated anybody's birthday. Hell, we weren't alowed to speak to each other outside of the raps. I would have killed for a peice of cake. The program was filled with nothing but hate. And all the time they tell you that they love you. What a complete crock of shit. CAKE MY,ASS!

This serves as more evidence that not all programs are alike.  Programs vary drastically (as we have read here) and we need to look at each one independently and not judge the entire industry based on a few events or abusive programs.

This seems to becoming more and more apparent as time goes on.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 18, 2010, 01:00:44 AM
Well  the birthday cake conversation struck me as ironic, being that where I was,  part of the program involved one of many secretive overnight rituals involving hours of guided confrontation therapy and intense pressure to disclose every little bad thing you did or even thought about. After many hours of self denunciation and expressions of self hatred, at some point they orchestrated a mock birthday party to celebrate as a sort of tacit agreement and reward for learning the next level of the schools hidden doctrine.  It was basically a ritual to kill off the old you and having a birthday for the new you.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 18, 2010, 03:02:35 AM
Some , like me for instance, desperately needed the old self killed off. My way of coping was self destructive and my behaviors were literally suicidal. I was on a path of self destruction and the program stood in my way and told me I couldn't keep doing what i was doing. By stopping the self destructive and negative behaviors I let my true self shine through, the really old self, the one I forgot about a long time ago, like I was when I was a little innocent child. That's what I gained back through a long process of self discovery and learning to take personal accountability for my actions and role in my own fate. I'm thankful somebody/something finally stood in my way on my path to death and destruction. I know not everybody feels this way, but I really needed help even though i didn't want it or ask for it. Being in a program was stressful but there were also some positive times and I just thought I'd post some of them in this thread. When I first got in the program I viewed myself as a victim of circumstance, not realizing that it was my own actions that created my reality. It took maturity and time and being able to look at my own experience with an open mind for that to change. It can be a freeing experience to get honest, really honest with yourself because really, sometimes the most obvious things are hidden from ourselves, that other people tend to notice right away.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: anythinganyone on August 18, 2010, 03:22:07 AM
You sound like one of those nasty WWASP seminar facilitators, spouting such things as "magical child" under new terminology and so forth.  I wish I still had my "seminar binder".

At Cross Creek, everyone but staff buddies in a group were allowed cake during birthdays.  The birthday of a staff buddy brought no cake.  Which reminds me, when kids were given a CANDY BAR like SNICKERS for winning the "leader of the month" award, and shit, that was a WONDERFUL reward, because we did not get CANDY BARS...

But we did get pies made of whipped cream and cake...
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2010, 04:54:08 AM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Some , like me for instance, desperately needed the old self killed off. My way of coping was self destructive and my behaviors were literally suicidal. I was on a path of self destruction and the program stood in my way and told me I couldn't keep doing what i was doing. By stopping the self destructive and negative behaviors I let my true self shine through, the really old self, the one I forgot about a long time ago, like I was when I was a little innocent child. That's what I gained back through a long process of self discovery and learning to take personal accountability for my actions and role in my own fate. I'm thankful somebody/something finally stood in my way on my path to death and destruction. I know not everybody feels this way, but I really needed help even though i didn't want it or ask for it. Being in a program was stressful but there were also some positive times and I just thought I'd post some of them in this thread. When I first got in the program I viewed myself as a victim of circumstance, not realizing that it was my own actions that created my reality. It took maturity and time and being able to look at my own experience with an open mind for that to change. It can be a freeing experience to get honest, really honest with yourself because really, sometimes the most obvious things are hidden from ourselves, that other people tend to notice right away.


Yeah this is not going to be deleted. It is too chock full of buzzwords and other garbage from a seminar for it to be deleted.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 18, 2010, 08:52:43 AM
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By stopping the self destructive and negative behaviors I let my true self shine through, the really old self, the one I forgot about a long time ago, like I was when I was a little innocent child.

Never thought I'd see this condensed infantilist shit posted in earnest on Fornits. Reads like one of the more disturbing stories. Go Google, I don't even want to link to that. Here's a sample image so you all know what you're getting into before you do.

(http://http://www.angelzfunnyz.com/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/8/man-in-diaper.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RTP2003 on August 18, 2010, 08:58:20 AM
My most positive experience in the program to which I was subjected would have to be the day they failed in their attempt at court-ordering me to complete it.

Second best would be the time I escaped for over a month.

Third would be escaping for a couple of days.

Fourth would be helping others get legal assistance in getting out.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 18, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Some , like me for instance, desperately needed the old self killed off. My way of coping was self destructive and my behaviors were literally suicidal. I was on a path of self destruction and the program stood in my way and told me I couldn't keep doing what i was doing. By stopping the self destructive and negative behaviors I let my true self shine through, the really old self, the one I forgot about a long time ago, like I was when I was a little innocent child. That's what I gained back through a long process of self discovery and learning to take personal accountability for my actions and role in my own fate. I'm thankful somebody/something finally stood in my way on my path to death and destruction. I know not everybody feels this way, but I really needed help even though i didn't want it or ask for it. Being in a program was stressful but there were also some positive times and I just thought I'd post some of them in this thread. When I first got in the program I viewed myself as a victim of circumstance, not realizing that it was my own actions that created my reality. It took maturity and time and being able to look at my own experience with an open mind for that to change. It can be a freeing experience to get honest, really honest with yourself because really, sometimes the most obvious things are hidden from ourselves, that other people tend to notice right away.



If you felt that for yourself you needed a program to assist you in suicide, that is fine. If the SUCK IT of today is better than what you were before maybe it was a good choice for you. I hope you are not suggesting that you believe that someone should be forced to got through lengthy exhausting rituals that, unbeknownst to them, will require a negative group growth dynamic to acheive ego death among the participants, are you?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: shaggys on August 18, 2010, 11:38:24 AM
Wow, according to SUCK IT he was a narcisstic, sociopathic anti-social piece of human garbage before the unnamed program magically transformed him into the saint he is today. What a complete and utter crock of shit.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Shadyacres on August 18, 2010, 01:48:58 PM
I can only think of one positive aspect of the time I spent in the program ( straight spinoff in Florida ), which is this.  It inoculated me somewhat against cult-style manipulation.  I spent the five months there ( all on phase one ) watching how they manipulated perfectly normal teenagers and gradually turned them into sociopaths.  I took note of how many rules were just about power and control and had nothing to do with addiction.  I noticed that everyone seemed to be lying in their M.I.ís, which I refused to do and was consistently punished for.  I developed a very serious drug problem after finally escaping which I have since overcome.  I am now an atheist and am very distrustful of groups like AA and NA, although both of those organizations have helped many people, they still require belief in a ď higher power ď.  I want nothing to do with the God worshiped by the people in that program in Florida.  Not even if he offers me cake, which, by the way, we didnít get where I was, probably just because the manipulation potential of a birthday party had just not yet occurred to them. ::deadhorse::
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 18, 2010, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
I can only think of one positive aspect of the time I spent in the program ( straight spinoff in Florida ), which is this.  It inoculated me somewhat against cult-style manipulation.  I spent the five months there ( all on phase one ) watching how they manipulated perfectly normal teenagers and gradually turned them into sociopaths.  I took note of how many rules were just about power and control and had nothing to do with addiction.  I noticed that everyone seemed to be lying in their M.I.ís, which I refused to do and was consistently punished for.  I developed a very serious drug problem after finally escaping which I have since overcome.  I am now an atheist and am very distrustful of groups like AA and NA, although both of those organizations have helped many people, they still require belief in a ď higher power ď.  I want nothing to do with the God worshiped by the people in that program in Florida.

The people who started Straight were certainly far from true Christians, just to clarify. In fact one could assert that they were anti-Christian, and they wouldn't be off the mark; Straight attempted to preclude FREEWILL, a crucial element in man's relationship with God (according to Christian belief).
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 18, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: "Awake"

If you felt that for yourself you needed a program to assist you in suicide, that is fine. If the SUCK IT of today is better than what you were before maybe it was a good choice for you. I hope you are not suggesting that you believe that someone should be forced to got through lengthy exhausting rituals that, unbeknownst to them, will require a negative group growth dynamic to acheive ego death among the participants, are you?

I don't even know what you're talking about. The only time in my life I attained ego death was when I took way too many shrooms all at once. I'm not claiming I know what works for other people, I'm simply commenting on my own experiences.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 18, 2010, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "anythinganyone"
You sound like one of those nasty WWASP seminar facilitators, spouting such things as "magical child" under new terminology and so forth.  I wish I still had my "seminar binder".

At Cross Creek, everyone but staff buddies in a group were allowed cake during birthdays.  The birthday of a staff buddy brought no cake.  Which reminds me, when kids were given a CANDY BAR like SNICKERS for winning the "leader of the month" award, and shit, that was a WONDERFUL reward, because we did not get CANDY BARS...

But we did get pies made of whipped cream and cake...

Where I was at, we got to go pick out candy and junk food once per week. We'd all wait while other people picked, the more far along in the program you were the more you got. The kids doing well would get like 4 items of candy, and some junk food. To me it always seemed like a lot. Every kid got something, the new kids would get to pick 1 piece of candy. When I say piece of candy I mean a full size candy bar, and regular sized candy packaging. They had chips, soda, candy, junk food, and other things like toiletry items that were pretty nice people got to pick from. We were all given what we needed, the basics, and good food. But if you did well, then you could get a lot of candy and other perks. I don't see this as abusive or a negative thing, its like in school when you did something right you got rewarded. The birthday cakes were really good, like a 2" deep cake in a cake pan with a thick layer of frosting on top. It was really good cake. As far as me sounding like seminar people, well I didn't walk out of a program brainwashed. Most of the conclusions I've come to happened well outside the program, after years of reflection and finally being able to get honest with myself.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: photo man on August 18, 2010, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Quote from: "anythinganyone"
You sound like one of those nasty WWASP seminar facilitators, spouting such things as "magical child" under new terminology and so forth.  I wish I still had my "seminar binder".

At Cross Creek, everyone but staff buddies in a group were allowed cake during birthdays.  The birthday of a staff buddy brought no cake.  Which reminds me, when kids were given a CANDY BAR like SNICKERS for winning the "leader of the month" award, and shit, that was a WONDERFUL reward, because we did not get CANDY BARS...

But we did get pies made of whipped cream and cake...

Where I was at, we got to go pick out candy and junk food once per week. We'd all wait while other people picked, the more far along in the program you were the more you got. The kids doing well would get like 4 items of candy, and some junk food. To me it always seemed like a lot. Every kid got something, the new kids would get to pick 1 piece of candy. When I say piece of candy I mean a full size candy bar, and regular sized candy packaging. They had chips, soda, candy, junk food, and other things like toiletry items that were pretty nice people got to pick from. We were all given what we needed, the basics, and good food. But if you did well, then you could get a lot of candy and other perks. I don't see this as abusive or a negative thing, its like in school when you did something right you got rewarded. The birthday cakes were really good, like a 2" deep cake in a cake pan with a thick layer of frosting on top. It was really good cake. As far as me sounding like seminar people, well I didn't walk out of a program brainwashed. Most of the conclusions I've come to happened well outside the program, after years of reflection and finally being able to get honest with myself.



- TTI PEDO CANDY TRAP -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 18, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: "Awake"
Well  the birthday cake conversation struck me as ironic, being that where I was,  part of the program involved one of many secretive overnight rituals involving hours of guided confrontation therapy and intense pressure to disclose every little bad thing you did or even thought about. After many hours of self denunciation and expressions of self hatred, at some point they orchestrated a mock birthday party to celebrate as a sort of tacit agreement and reward for learning the next level of the schools hidden doctrine.  It was basically a ritual to kill off the old you and having a birthday for the new you.



Quote from: "Awake"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Some , like me for instance, desperately needed the old self killed off. My way of coping was self destructive and my behaviors were literally suicidal. I was on a path of self destruction and the program stood in my way and told me I couldn't keep doing what i was doing. By stopping the self destructive and negative behaviors I let my true self shine through, the really old self, the one I forgot about a long time ago, like I was when I was a little innocent child. That's what I gained back through a long process of self discovery and learning to take personal accountability for my actions and role in my own fate. I'm thankful somebody/something finally stood in my way on my path to death and destruction. I know not everybody feels this way, but I really needed help even though i didn't want it or ask for it. Being in a program was stressful but there were also some positive times and I just thought I'd post some of them in this thread. When I first got in the program I viewed myself as a victim of circumstance, not realizing that it was my own actions that created my reality. It took maturity and time and being able to look at my own experience with an open mind for that to change. It can be a freeing experience to get honest, really honest with yourself because really, sometimes the most obvious things are hidden from ourselves, that other people tend to notice right away.



If you felt that for yourself you needed a program to assist you in suicide, that is fine. If the SUCK IT of today is better than what you were before maybe it was a good choice for you. I hope you are not suggesting that you believe that someone should be forced to got through lengthy exhausting rituals that, unbeknownst to them, will require a negative group growth dynamic to acheive ego death among the participants, are you?


Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I don't even know what you're talking about. The only time in my life I attained ego death was when I took way too many shrooms all at once. I'm not claiming I know what works for other people, I'm simply commenting on my own experiences.


You really donít see how Ďego deathí makes sense in the context you described here? I was beginning to think our programs sounded alike, but maybe they are not. How did you kill off your old self in your program? Was it a group process that facilitated that?


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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 18, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
I don't consider the troubled teen I ended up being, the real me. That's why I commented about how I feel the real me was more like the kid before I became a teen. When referring to killing my old self, I am talking about killing my troubled teen personality and behaviors. It was either it, or me. Because that's a person who was desperately trying to destroy themselves as quickly as possible. Unfortunately I don't think it was fully successful however, because I still retain some of the addictive traits I had back then (which is why I think its a disease), although I work very hard to control that part of my self now. Back then I embraced it, and lived my entire life within that part of my personality, that was "me".

So when I say that part of me needed to be killed off, that troubled teen self, that's what I mean. I've admitted it before, I was very, very self centered back then. Even a group of people couldn't convince me I needed to change, ultimately it took a lot of things to get me to change. The private program I was at, however, I can accredit with being like the triage, or trauma unit of my overall treatment experience. I was in most danger right when I was sent there, and things calmed down a bit after getting out because the world had changed, and I slowly began to recover after that.

I know what you are getting at, I've read all about LGAT here and how people view this. In my experience this was a very small part of the overall experience though, for me personally it was more of a personal journey and discovery of finding myself. Group therapy can be helpful for me sometimes, but my issues were really about breaking down my own barriers and lies in my own head. I didn't know myself, didn't really pay attention to what was really going on. I was living like an animal in search of food, very instinctual and basic. I had to wake up and look around at the world and myself honestly.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 18, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I don't consider the troubled teen I ended up being, the real me. That's why I commented about how I feel the real me was more like the kid before I became a teen. When referring to killing my old self, I am talking about killing my troubled teen personality and behaviors. .



So this was all your concept? Your program didnít influence this type of thinking in you?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 18, 2010, 07:11:15 PM
Yeah, well, you killed the wrong one. Fortunately it isn't quite dead yet.

SUCK IT, do you realize that everything you're saying is practically duplicated word for fucking word in perverted fiction involving BDSM and torture, in which the victim learns to love their captor in a full-force version of Stockholm Syndrome? I'm not joking. Links available on request, but does anyone here really want them? (It doesn't even work for shock value.)

You parrot the seminar crap regularly, but, really, who are you trying to convince? We recognize this stuff on-sight as being Gilcrease bullshit at the least, and most of us are more than happy to point that out. We're also happy to point out that killing the very real teenager to protect an artificial creation child-thing is wholly unnatural in the MRSA sort of way. WWASPS has given you what's effectively mental HIV, killing your defenses to put shit in your head that really doesn't belong there or anywhere else.

At some level you know this. You wouldn't have come here if you didn't at least suspect, particularly not under that username. The real you- the "troubled teen" which is the last of your sentience- is screaming to get out, right now.

Christ, no wonder you want alcohol and suicide. Alcohol shuts up the thing your parents and WWASP have implanted in your brain, and at least suicide would end the torment. A better solution would be to kill that thing directly, but you'll have to discover the secret to that one yourself.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Awake on August 18, 2010, 08:49:15 PM
I had some thoughts in that direction, but Iíd give SUCK IT the benefit of the doubt. I donít know enough to say much. From what I can gather there is nothing more that can be said for this place they were at other than that they served cake at birthdays and they hosted them in a good thanksgiving. Any sort of individual or group change dynamic was up to them to participate in from what I can tell at this point. It may be worth the price of a program to a parent so that their child can have a decent birthday party or Thanksgiving meal, no matter the price.


I think there could be better stories in favor of programs. I have heard the best program experiences are not about cake or birthdays or holiday meals. I have heard them stated to be miracle workers, giving people their lives back, repairing relationships, forming happy successful  people in society.  I thought those things were the best reason to go to a program. If we heard more about those things from folks it would be helpful.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 18, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: "Awake"
I think there could be better stories in favor of programs. I have heard the best program experiences are not about cake or birthdays or holiday meals. I have heard them stated to be miracle workers, giving people their lives back, repairing relationships, forming happy successful  people in society.  I thought those things were the best reason to go to a program. If we heard more about those things from folks it would be helpful.


Unfortunately, awake, most posters here on fornits  have committed themselves entirely to being anti-program which prevents them from sharing anything positive.  Those of us reading know that they had many happy experiences and made many friends because that is what young people do.  They had staff who helped them through a rough patch, were there for them during personal breakthroughs, celebrated their milestones and birthdays and cried together when others were hurt, laughed together during good times.  The posters who were once staff, I am sure, had many positive experiences otherwise they would have never kept working there.

But there has been such a conditioning here that these stories are intended to be suppressed and to share them would be a breach of the unspoken trust to maintain the faÁade that all programs are abusive and no one has ever benefited from them.

I have had very little exposure to programs myself but can recall many positive moments when a child sees his parents for the first time in several months and they embrace.  This must be a very positive experience for others who are close at hand and staff who witness these constant reunions.  The celebrations at graduation, the speeches, the individual milestones of getting accepted to college or transferring back to their high school and seeing their friends.  Being able to start their own fire from scratch, beating their counselor at ping pong, acing their first mathematics test, running the rapids in their first white water trip etc, etc,Ö these are not all negative experiences, by any stretch of the imagination, nor are they meant to be suppressed, yet they are here on fornits (but nowhere else) why is that?

I think we can easily see that we never get the full story here, we only read what they are willing to share and that part of their experience which supports the anti-program spin here.  There has been such a constant flow a negativity that no one is willing to break the cycle and share their honest experiences.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: 9403390 on August 18, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
Whooter i was at a place as staff for 3 months. Month 1 I had just started and wanted to give it a chance. Month 2 I began having doubts. Month three was when I resigned because i realised i was a part of something abusive. that is why i stayed.Not every single aspect was negative. Thanksgiving was celebrated and they even bussed in real food that we cooked in foil on an open fire. The day was spent just kicking a football around and relaxing and talking and eating. it was far more therapeutic than most of the nonsense that constituted any given day.
I am glad suck it you had a good experience.  i am not just saying this to be an asshole to you but why the defensiveness? Ok it is great that this worked for you but you call yourself suck it and in some instances seem eager to dismiss or even get angry at anyone who claims their experience was negative. It does seem at times you really want to provoke those who had a negative experience. I get that you feel there is group think on this forum and maybe there is in that most are opposed to this system but why present your case in such a provocative manner? Surely if this experience was as healing as you say it would not matter to you whether others are critical.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Evil WWASP on August 18, 2010, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: "9403390"
Whooter i was at a place as staff for 3 months. Month 1 I had just started and wanted to give it a chance. Month 2 I began having doubts. Month three was when I resigned because i realised i was a part of something abusive. that is why i stayed.Not every single aspect was negative. Thanksgiving was celebrated and they even bussed in real food that we cooked in foil on an open fire. The day was spent just kicking a football around and relaxing and talking and eating. it was far more therapeutic than most of the nonsense that constituted any given day.
I am glad suck it you had a good experience.  i am not just saying this to be an asshole to you but why the defensiveness? Ok it is great that this worked for you but you call yourself suck it and in some instances seem eager to dismiss or even get angry at anyone who claims their experience was negative. It does seem at times you really want to provoke those who had a negative experience. I get that you feel there is group think on this forum and maybe there is in that most are opposed to this system but why present your case in such a provocative manner? Surely if this experience was as healing as you say it would not matter to you whether others are critical.


By writing style, Suck it is "exposeCEDU," a troll whose been kicking around awhile.

Why have the administrators let this troll they banned back onto the forum to play its same provoke and distract game?

Why do people respond to its trolling? A happy WWASP graduate with vague, poorly written fictions... it's ridiculous.

(FWIW, I peg it as a cult  "parent," though it  relayed that there are no properly accredited WWASP staff who spend time counseling the prisoners, something cult "parents" often refuse to acknowledge. It erased that post, probably thinking better of admitting that fact. Then reposted it after being called on its deleting.)

 I wish the VERY smart and good people on this thread would do something more productive than waste their time responding to this roach
 and that the administrators exterminate the thing for good this time
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 19, 2010, 02:46:11 AM
Thanks for the great advice Pile of Dead Kids. Perhaps tonight I will go buy a bag of meth, steal a car and some money and go pick up my old friends and return to the way I was, no thanks. I sort of laughed when I read your reply, I don't think you would mean that if you knew me then and now. This thread is about posting positive experiences. What you view as positive depends on your perspective, some people posted them leaving was positive or when they told off some staff they didn't like. Thanks for your concerns about me though, and thanks for your  post.

Awake I am not pushing any agenda, or that programs are miracles and everyone gets saved. I can only speak for myself, and I know that it did save my life for reasons I've explained before, i won't bore people with more of it now. It wasn't anything more than removing me from my life at home, and putting me in a controlled environment. That is what did the trick, the therapy and LGAT and discipline and structure helped, but it isn't what saved my life. Not being able to run away, and do drugs and try to harm myself is what saved me. I learned some important life lessons along the way, and had some positive experiences like I posted in this thread. The process wasn't very fun and it as stressful a lot of times, but I do know it was necessary and I would have been dead for sure without it. Thanks for your posts.

Thanks Whooter for your common sense.

958472582
I choose to post on this forum honestly. I know that can rub people the wrong way, but this forum claims to welcome all opinions and points of view, in an open free for all discussion, this is their words not mine. If I had an agenda like trying to push a certain program, or make them all seem evil, I wouldn't post in an honest way. It would be more political, and I would concern myself more with how I am perceived. But i really don't care how I come off, because I don't come here with an agenda other than to share my own experiences and opinions, and conclusions based on my thinking. I've talked about how I think fornits has group think and mythology, and it was proved by the post immediately following your own. Is it really that unbelievable that a troubled teen would be sent to a program, and it might actually have helped? To some people this is 100% out of the realm of possibility. When in reality, it is a quite frequent, dare I say, regular occurrence. I've been trying recently to be more respectful, less confrontational and base my posts on my own experiences and opinions rather than talk about what other people are saying, and I am really trying. Because this is a subject I am interested in because I lived through a lot of treatment and it had a profound impact on me, in that it helped me come out of the darnkess of my self imposed misery and self destruction and it was an important part of my life. It doesn't bother me that people are critical of programs, I would be too if I felt that it didn't help, was abusive, or whatever. I simply choose to confront what I view as absurdities that are accepted as fact on fornits, and I try to base my thinking in reality, and common sense. I try hard to be honest with myself and at this point in my life, I will be honest about my program experiences even if it makes a few people upset on this forum. Thanks for your post.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Shadyacres on August 19, 2010, 10:18:26 AM
Suck it, you must work for a program, if not, you should.  Imagine how many terrified, vulnerable teens you could help them torture and terrorize.  And after many months, you can make them love you by giving them a snickers bar.  People like you are what made my mom think it was ok to lock me up and torture me.  Self destructive behavior is reasonably common in teenagers and is a normal part of growing up.  Most of us do grow up before actually destroying ourselves and manage to live productive lives.  You were out of control as a teenager, now you are an adult.  You do not need to be so slavishly devoted to this abusive system.  YOU ARE NOT POWERLESS, NONE OF US ARE.  Powerless is what we were in those programs.  We are grown-ups now. ::deadhorse::
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 19, 2010, 02:35:44 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
People like you are what made my mom think it was ok to lock me up and torture me.  

Yeah, sure... I bet your mom came onto fornits and saw my posts and said to herself "Wow, SUCK IT sure makes some great points about how great programs are. I was undecided before, but now that SUCK IT endorses programs because you get candy bars, I'll go ahead and send my child to a program. Thanks SUCK IT, sincerely ShadyAcres Mom". I must of missed that thank you note from your family, although I do have my pm's turned off, so maybe I missed it? Lets get real here, the reason you were "locked up and tortured" can probably be answered by getting honest with yourself. I thought of myself as a victim of everyone else, just like you do, until I matured and realized that they were only reacting to me and my behaviors. But hey, if blaming me makes you feel better, that's great for you and I'm happy to provide this valuable service to whoever is in need of someone to blame. But maybe instead of arguing with me, you might want to start some of your own threads like "How I was tortured in a program", that might be more effective in convincing future moms like yours who come here for advice why they shouldn't listen to me.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 19, 2010, 02:42:07 PM
OK, this thread is getting way off topic so let's turn this ship back on course, shall we?

Every week we got to have a movie day and watch movies together and relax and play board games and talk, and it was free time to write letters and socialize. I've always liked movies a lot so this was a good way to forget where I was and escape into the movie and it was a nice break from treatment. I learned how to play some board games and talked to a lot of interesting people and made some friends, and learned about people and their lives. When I see the movies I watched while in the program, I remember where I first saw it and it brings back memories.
Title: SUCK IT PEDO PHONE SEX
Post by: photo man on August 19, 2010, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
OK, this thread is getting way off topic so let's turn this ship back on course, shall we?

Every week we got to have a movie day and watch movies together and relax and play board games and talk, and it was free time to write letters and socialize. I've always liked movies a lot so this was a good way to forget where I was and escape into the movie and it was a nice break from treatment. I learned how to play some board games and talked to a lot of interesting people and made some friends, and learned about people and their lives. When I see the movies I watched while in the program, I remember where I first saw it and it brings back memories.

 - SUCK IT PEDO PHONE SEX -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Shadyacres on August 19, 2010, 04:06:26 PM
Sorry Suck it, I guess i should have said "Unlike you, most of us are grown-ups now."  So go ahead and advocate the mental abuse of more and more teenagers, get it out of your system.  Eventually, I hope, you will stop hating yourself and realize that whatever your problems were, there were more humane ways to treat them.  No child deserves that kind of treatment.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 19, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
One of the most profound positive experiences and lessons I learned in a program was the necessity to take personal accountability for your own actions. Without doing that, in an honest way, you will always remain trapped in a cocoon of denial. When I was a troubled teen I felt like I was a victim of everybody else. Why couldn't they just leave me alone? That's what I kept saying to myself. I want to get high, get drunk, commit crimes, disrespect and put my family in danger. Well I grew up poor, my family had troubles, the teachers were unfair, I didn't get this, I didn't get that. To me the world was unfair and against me. I felt justification in doing whatever I pleased, because if they would fight against me then I don't care about anyone else either. So I was very self centered and the outside world lost relevance more and more as time went by.

When I finally ended up in a program I thought it was an injustice of the greatest magnitude! I was furious and thought, do the American people know that citizens are being held against their will like this? I wanted to climb to the tallest rooftop and scream from the top of my lungs, I want my freedom back. But for me, that freedom meant sure death or imprisonment. So there comes the rub, what is more important, someone's life or their freedom? Who gets to make that distinction and decide when it's gone too far? Right now its parents who make that decision. My parents made the right decision. I know for a fact this is true, and to suggest otherwise might make me feel good. I could have continued to look at it as an injustice. What after some time I was able to get honest with myself and realize, that injustice is what actually saved my life.

Back when I was a teen I would have gladly been out of the program, and free to my own devices. The process of being asked to look at myself honestly, and take accountability for what I had done was difficult and stressful at times. But other times there was positive things that happened, it was not the pit of hellfire and despair that it's often described as here on this forum. I don't live in a black and white world, I can look back on my experiences as they actually happened, not through a political or agenda driven lens.I am able to take accountability for my actions that lead to me being placed in a program. Had I not done certain things, I would have never ended up in a program. Everything that happened was a result of my own actions, I know this now and accept it as truth, because it is.

So I choose to be honest when talking about my experiences on this forum. This is met with hatred, conspiracy theories and plenty of people telling me what I should do, what I should believe, what I should be like, what is wrong with me, and all sorts of theories about why I have come to the conclusions I have. That's all a waste of time. If you want to know why I believe what I do, read my posts, because they are the truth. I am trying my best to be respectful and focus on my own experiences here, and that's what I've been doing. If you don't want to post in this thread, then don't. Start your own threads about negative experiences, that would be great. But people pressuring me to change my views, change who I am, or just plain shut up will not persuade me to not share my own experiences and opinions.

The fact is, in my own personal experience, a private program really did save my life. I'm not going to lie and say it didn't, or lie and say I was abused, or stretch the term of abuse to fit in with what actually happened to me. Yes i was held against my will, because my will involved getting high on drugs, harming myself, and causing mayhem and generally being an asshole in every way imaginable. I constantly was putting my life in danger and other people's because me and my friends would drive around while heavily intoxicated. So me being put in a program, not only saved my life, but possibly the lives of people that we might have killed in a DUI. My parents tried all the local options and alternatives offered by posters here and none of it worked. I simply manipulated my way through all of those hurdles, in my quest to ultimately destroy myself through drug use or suicide. The only thing that stopped me, was to put me in a facility against my will, and have people watching me 24 hours a day. I'm not proud of any of this, in fact it's quite shameful. But I am at  a point in my life where I am willing to be honest about who I was, and what really happened.

It would feel great to think I was right, and should have been free to behave that way. To think that the program was in the wrong, and in fact evil. That my parents are ignorant at best, evil at worst. That society was in fact wrong to tell me no, you are not free to destroy yourself, as a minor child. That I was abused and imprisoned against my will and treated like shit. But none of that is true, and as comfortable a place for my ego as it would be to believe this, I know in my heart it's not true. They saved my life, against my will. I wanted to end it through my behaviors, they demanded that I not do so. I can't speak for other people, this is about my own experience. People are also free to share their own experiences on this forum. I follow a self imposed rule that I don't respond to hatred, conspiracy theories and posts like that. If people expect a response from me, they should be respectful and talk as they wish people talked to them. I am also following this rule now, I am not going to waste my time with arguments here. I am here to share my experiences and opinions with those who wish to read it. If you don't, then don't read it, it really doesn't bother me either way. Thanks
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: shaggys on August 19, 2010, 05:31:23 PM
By your own admission in your posts you seem to have an extensive criminal background SUCK IT. Are you currently incarcerated? Just askin cause you also seem to have alot of spare time on your hands. i know that you dont want to discuss specifics about the treatment facility that "saved you" but will you at least tell us which prison you are currently in. thanks.
Title: SUCK IT was arrested
Post by: Pile of shit on August 19, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
SUCK IT was arrested for selling cocaine to school children.  WOW!!!

:jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: anythinganyone on August 20, 2010, 01:45:52 AM
far tl;dr

I really think you aren't a real person tbh
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2010, 04:32:50 AM
I have special confirmation from a reliable source that Suck It is in fact a real person. Suck it isn't as cleaver as suck it would like to think suck it is at covering their tracks.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 06:12:57 AM
Please tell us more Che.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 20, 2010, 09:50:04 AM
This might be a good time to explain why I turned off my PM function a while ago, since the cat seems to already be out of the bag. when I started posting here I got a PM from a username with zero posts meaning it could be anyone, I still don't know who sent it to me. They told me they had acquired all my personal information, my name, my phone number, where I live, and links to my facebook account and even the website of the company I work for. They told me they knew who my boss was and if I didn't shut up they'd call my boss and tell them that I spend all day on fornits posting, and asked if my boss knew I used to use drugs as a teen, knew I was an addict, etc. After that I decided to turn off my private messaging function. This is why I post threads like Fornits Group Think, because I believe this is the way it's enforced here on fornits, with behind the scenes threats like I received.

I decided to keep posting anyways though, all the while expecting one day to come onto fornits and find a thread that has all my information posted in it. Lucky for me, and more importantly my employment, this information has yet to be posted. But every once in a while there is a post directed my way that seems to hint at reminding me that someone does have this information, and are still willing to release it if I continue to post.

The fact that me being honest bothers people so much that they'd go to such great lengths to find out who I am and threaten me, just for my opinions, is troublesome. It also shows that your argument must be relatively weak if you have to resort to these sort of tactics to enforce the group think ideology and to silence any dissenting voices. It's up to the people who have this information whether they'll post it. I expect they will post it eventually, why wouldn't they? I hope they don't, but it's really up to them and, it's between them and God  how they want to act in this life and treat people.

But let me say this. I will not be silenced of bullied into silence. If people want to use this information to harass my boss and bring up my past, I can't stop them. If it's worth ruining someone financially and getting them fired in this economy, just so they can't share their opinions about being in treatment, I can't do anything about it. I choose to share about my experiences in treatment because I lived through it like everyone else here, and earned my right to comment on it. This forum claims to be an open free for all discussion, and it is on the very surface. But dig a little deeper and you find that things are much more complicated here on fornits than that, it's not as open and free as it claims in practice.

It's up to posters here whether they want to be an angry mob of extremists, or adults that are able and willing to have an adult conversation and welcome opinions that might not be in line with their own. I'm willing to have this open discussion, and hear the opinions of everyone, whether they hated programs or loved them. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? To have an open discussion, hearing from all sides and points of views on this industry? Or should fornits just be a cult, with it's own ideology, and group think enforced by real life consequences and threats? That is up to every user on fornits to decide for themselves, and the people who wish to blackmail me.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 20, 2010, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Please tell us more Che.

Only if I get a solid promise from photoman and his 19 other personas to stop being a copycat of Pile of dead kids and to go find his own damn material. Those pedo pictures are making Photoboy look like a spanking bang on copy of Gary Glitter.  Even then I wouldn't be inclined to say much. Two reasons..

1) Suck It has the same right to privacy everyone else does.

2) Ideological battles bore me. These threads bore me. You all bore me.

Go protest a program and I'll release Suck It's home phone number.

nah..
 
Still, go protest a program anyway. It'll be good for you.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 20, 2010, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
1) Suck It has the same right to privacy everyone else does.

2) Ideological battles bore me.

 :tup:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 20, 2010, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
I have special confirmation from a reliable source that Suck It is in fact a real person. Suck it isn't as cleaver as suck it would like to think suck it is at covering their tracks.

Well isn't this great, El` Moderator, the only way you know this is if administrator tells you, OH I'm sorry isn't this what Felice was fired for back at the beginning of the year.
So guys if we are allowed to "out" whoever we want here via private phone calls and emails, with possible Admin help then come on the "Web Site" as a Moderator (as Che is) and threaten Suck It, that you know who he is, then what is the purpose of having user names.
Why are we always concerned about privacy, when Che as a Moderator, on this site, can threaten someone and their privacy. Why would Che with his position here even want to infer any disclosure of privacy.
One week your criticizing Whooter and myself for embarrassing you on a forum you moderate, crying like a fucking baby, then next week your practically outing a member on another forum. What the fuck is the matter with you, have you lost your mind. You wonder why many of us here have virtually no respect for you, your a hypocrite.  
What makes you think that Suck It or anybody else here that doesn't agree with your brand of bullshit Che, really gives a shit what you think or is trying to be clever.
The only thing he has told you as every one else here is he would rather not mention what T/C he went to. Period, so fuck off.
I don't blame him, if I would have known better I would not have mentioned mine. Especially with my opinions.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 20, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
This might be a good time to explain why I turned off my PM function a while ago, since the cat seems to already be out of the bag. when I started posting here I got a PM from a username with zero posts meaning it could be anyone, I still don't know who sent it to me. They told me they had acquired all my personal information, my name, my phone number, where I live, and links to my facebook account and even the website of the company I work for. They told me they knew who my boss was and if I didn't shut up they'd call my boss and tell them that I spend all day on fornits posting, and asked if my boss knew I used to use drugs as a teen, knew I was an addict, etc. After that I decided to turn off my private messaging function. This is why I post threads like Fornits Group Think, because I believe this is the way it's enforced here on fornits, with behind the scenes threats like I received.

I decided to keep posting anyways though, all the while expecting one day to come onto fornits and find a thread that has all my information posted in it. Lucky for me, and more importantly my employment, this information has yet to be posted. But every once in a while there is a post directed my way that seems to hint at reminding me that someone does have this information, and are still willing to release it if I continue to post.

The fact that me being honest bothers people so much that they'd go to such great lengths to find out who I am and threaten me, just for my opinions, is troublesome. It also shows that your argument must be relatively weak if you have to resort to these sort of tactics to enforce the group think ideology and to silence any dissenting voices. It's up to the people who have this information whether they'll post it. I expect they will post it eventually, why wouldn't they? I hope they don't, but it's really up to them and, it's between them and God  how they want to act in this life and treat people.

But let me say this. I will not be silenced of bullied into silence. If people want to use this information to harass my boss and bring up my past, I can't stop them. If it's worth ruining someone financially and getting them fired in this economy, just so they can't share their opinions about being in treatment, I can't do anything about it. I choose to share about my experiences in treatment because I lived through it like everyone else here, and earned my right to comment on it. This forum claims to be an open free for all discussion, and it is on the very surface. But dig a little deeper and you find that things are much more complicated here on fornits than that, it's not as open and free as it claims in practice.

It's up to posters here whether they want to be an angry mob of extremists, or adults that are able and willing to have an adult conversation and welcome opinions that might not be in line with their own. I'm willing to have this open discussion, and hear the opinions of everyone, whether they hated programs or loved them. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? To have an open discussion, hearing from all sides and points of views on this industry? Or should fornits just be a cult, with it's own ideology, and group think enforced by real life consequences and threats? That is up to every user on fornits to decide for themselves, and the people who wish to blackmail me.

Suck IT, there have been many before you who decided it just was not worth it to continue posting here because of the way they were treated.

I lived through the exact same circumstances as you did Suck IT.  They threatened to expose my daughter, which they never did.  Then they exposed my name, picture, phone number etc. but they posted the wrong person.  They did this a few times and each time I was given fair warning that it was coming.  But each time the information was wrong, luckily.

There was an admin who managed to get me banned for flooding the forum.  I managed to get another admin to review my posts and it was determined that no flooding occurred.

One of the reasons I stuck around initially was because I was curious as to why a group of people would go to such great lengths to silence another personís opinion and story.  Why was I such a threat to them?  As I read here and stuck around it became apparent over time there was a need to uphold the philosophy that all programs are abusive and all kids suffered because of them and no-one was help.  If you think about it if they did admit to one child benefitting from their stay inside a program they would have to face the realization that there are more.  If this became a reality to them then they would have to face the hard reality that some programs are beneficial, some staff members are okay and not every program starves the kids or serves rotten food etc.  It is safer for these people to maintain the belief that the entire industry is evil and reject any dialog which threatens that belief system.  This way they donít have to think at all.

I have had, emails and pms of every variety, threatening me and my family, I have had posters dedicate years of their life to reviewing every post I have written and creating a footer to try to discredit me because they are so insecure (or uncertain) with their own belief that they needed to discredit others to allow themselves be heard or feel important.  They dedicated entire threads to exposing, derailing and trying to bury any opinion I had which went counter to theirs.  Most of them are scared/closed minded or dont communicate well enough to express themselves other than make threats or post shock pictures.

Many would demand to see studies to back up my opinions and when they were presented instead of reading the studies and learning something new they would spend an amazing amount of energy trying to discredit the study so they could pretend it didnít exist.

I hope that you can stick around.  Fornits needs people from all sides of the issues to help it grow and move forward to become a credible place for people to come and discuss the industry and to allow people to express their opinions without fear of being ostracized for them.  I donít want to give the impression that all fornits posters are this way,  there are many posters here on fornits who are tolerant of other peoples opinion but it is the intolerant ones which stand out and give fornits this persona of being closed minded and cultish.

I wrote a little bit more than I intended, but good luck with it.  Try to hang in there, its a tough group here.



...
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 02:54:36 PM
Quote
SUCK IT
"The fact that me being honest bothers people so much that they'd go to such great lengths to find out who I am and threaten me, "


No dumbass.The fact is that your'e not being honest.
Honestly, how old are you?
What is your gender?
What program did you attand?
Not wanting your real name out there is understanable, but you sound like your'e making this stuff up as you go along.
And that kills your credibility.
Who knows, maybe your mama did name you SUCK IT
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 20, 2010, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Quote
SUCK IT
"The fact that me being honest bothers people so much that they'd go to such great lengths to find out who I am and threaten me, "


No dumbass.The fact is that your'e not being honest.
Honestly, how old are you?
What is your gender?
What program did you attand?
Not wanting your real name out there is understanable, but you sound like your'e making this stuff up as you go along.
And that kills your credibility.
Who knows, maybe your mama did name you SUCK IT

Oh, so because he/she will not tell you who they are and what program they went to, there not being honest. Well, then the only thing we have to say from here then is, kiss their sanctified butt.
Who they heck are you none-ya, to tell anyone one their not being honest, you washed up, stuck in 1973 moldy cheese head.
Not everyone had your experience and even if they did, maybe they don't want to deal with it the same way you are, dumb ass.
 Just my opinion. See ya.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 05:44:03 PM
Quote
Danny B wrote
" you washed up, stuck in 1973 moldy cheese head. "

Boy I guess you really told me huh? But I wasn't talking to you ,(or was I?)
Just the fact that it was you and not it really leads me to believe that you are it
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 05:55:29 PM
And by the way, I've never even to Wisconcin.
GO DOLPHINS!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 20, 2010, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: "anythinganyone"
I really think you aren't a real person tbh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxrB41PMhw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxrB41PMhw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_g8BpdCQw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_g8BpdCQw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A)

I thought you might like these.  ;)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 20, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
None-ya, Danny's not smart enough to fake being anyone.

With that said, it doesn't really matter a whole lot who SUCK IT is, unless you're going to actively ruin its life. It might even be David Gilcrease, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It doesn't matter because it's not really a person so much as a mindless platform, spouting the same premade phrases because that's all it knows to say. Whatever's doing the typing really isn't that important, because we know the claims it's making are ridiculous and we know their real source. If there was an actual person to talk to, it might be worth caring, but there isn't one. There's not even a well-written interactive fiction. There's just mindless spam.

Really, did you think you were going to get an answer when you asked those questions?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 20, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Suck IT, there have been many before you who decided it just was not worth it to continue posting here because of the way they were treated.

I lived through the exact same circumstances as you did Suck IT.  They threatened to expose my daughter, which they never did.  Then they exposed my name, picture, phone number etc. but they posted the wrong person.  They did this a few times and each time I was given fair warning that it was coming.  But each time the information was wrong, luckily.

There was an admin who managed to get me banned for flooding the forum.  I managed to get another admin to review my posts and it was determined that no flooding occurred.

One of the reasons I stuck around initially was because I was curious as to why a group of people would go to such great lengths to silence another personís opinion and story.  Why was I such a threat to them?  As I read here and stuck around it became apparent over time there was a need to uphold the philosophy that all programs are abusive and all kids suffered because of them and no-one was help.  If you think about it if they did admit to one child benefitting from their stay inside a program they would have to face the realization that there are more.  If this became a reality to them then they would have to face the hard reality that some programs are beneficial, some staff members are okay and not every program starves the kids or serves rotten food etc.  It is safer for these people to maintain the belief that the entire industry is evil and reject any dialog which threatens that belief system.  This way they donít have to think at all.

I have had, emails and pms of every variety, threatening me and my family, I have had posters dedicate years of their life to reviewing every post I have written and creating a footer to try to discredit me because they are so insecure (or uncertain) with their own belief that they needed to discredit others to allow themselves be heard or feel important.  They dedicated entire threads to exposing, derailing and trying to bury any opinion I had which went counter to theirs.  Most of them are scared/closed minded or dont communicate well enough to express themselves other than make threats or post shock pictures.

Many would demand to see studies to back up my opinions and when they were presented instead of reading the studies and learning something new they would spend an amazing amount of energy trying to discredit the study so they could pretend it didnít exist.

I hope that you can stick around.  Fornits needs people from all sides of the issues to help it grow and move forward to become a credible place for people to come and discuss the industry and to allow people to express their opinions without fear of being ostracized for them.  I donít want to give the impression that all fornits posters are this way,  there are many posters here on fornits who are tolerant of other peoples opinion but it is the intolerant ones which stand out and give fornits this persona of being closed minded and cultish.

I wrote a little bit more than I intended, but good luck with it.  Try to hang in there, its a tough group here.



...

I saw how you are treated here for your views and opinions, which is the main reason I choose to not make the mistake some people do on this forum by releasing too much personal information, which is later used against them. I'll be sticking around for sure. Thanks for your post
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 06:21:07 PM
But then again what do I know? I'm just a moldy cheese head.
Damn that hurts!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 20, 2010, 06:28:41 PM
Quote
"Pile of Dead Kids" wrote:
None-ya, Danny's not smart enough to fake being anyone.

Smart enough so you have not a clue as to who you think I am. Not the Facebook guy.
Pile you would shit a brick if you actually knew who I was. I know who you are, that is
for sure.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 06:30:09 PM
[attachment=0:6wi9tbcd]cheesehead.jpg[/attachment:6wi9tbcd]
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 20, 2010, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
[attachment=0:22qc7iup]cheesehead.jpg[/attachment:22qc7iup]



WRONG!!!!!  NO MOLD
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 20, 2010, 07:16:40 PM
Better?[attachment=0:14tgd6hr]moldy cheesehead.jpg[/attachment:14tgd6hr][/b]
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 20, 2010, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Better?[attachment=0:4zw774vz]moldy cheesehead.jpg[/attachment:4zw774vz][/b]


Touche`
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 21, 2010, 10:50:21 AM
Usually, my program dreams are nightmares about being sent back to a program at my age or confronting staff. Haven't had a program dream in a long time... until last night night.   Only it was about fornits posters. Someone decided to have a pool party and invite all sides. All sides came. But no one spoke to eachother except on lap tops and black berries. Finally - a cyber argument erupts and all sides attack each other viciously while we are in the same room. Guess what the argument was over?

Cat food!  

I'm not sure why we all had to argue over cat food, but it was heated. People were very passionate on the subject. It got ridiculous. At one point, all the cat food was thrown out.

No, I am not kidding. In my dream, I couldn't understand why everyone was shitting bricks over cat food, but even the cat food debate was split on ideological lines.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 21, 2010, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Usually, my program dreams are nightmares about being sent back to a program at my age or confronting staff. Haven't had a program dream in a long time... until last night night.   Only it was about fornits posters. Someone decided to have a pool party and invite all sides. All sides came. But no one spoke to eachother except on lap tops and black berries. Finally - a cyber argument erupts and all sides attack each other viciously while we are in the same room. Guess what the argument was over?

Cat food!  

I'm not sure why we all had to argue over cat food, but it was heated. People were very passionate on the subject. It got ridiculous. At one point, all the cat food was thrown out.

No, I am not kidding. In my dream, I couldn't understand why everyone was shitting bricks over cat food, but even the cat food debate was split on ideological lines.

because the subject doesn't matter or because the subject has become so trivial. Though are ego's (ideological Lines) have not.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 21, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Quote
Smart enough so you have not a clue as to who you think I am. Not the Facebook guy.
Pile you would shit a brick if you actually knew who I was. I know who you are, that is
for sure.

Your arrogance borders on the comical. You don't know who any of us are, and no one cares who you are. Stay focused on the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 22, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
(http://http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r88/Dan_The_Chainsawman/suckit.jpg)

This thread needs meme.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 22, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
Che, Programs are still safer than your typical public school.

Here take a look at a random public school photo:

(http://http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/columbine2.jpg)
Columbine High School



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 22, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 22, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.

Jesus Christ, is this point even worth the pixels to debate????
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 22, 2010, 02:42:16 PM
I'm not sure why he's still confused on this matter. We've beaten this horse to death, but you know how he likes to rehash things and waste everyone's time.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 22, 2010, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.


Robert you are wrong as usual, there is not even a shred of proof validating your statement. We traveled this road.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 22, 2010, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.

Jesus Christ, is this point even worth the pixels to debate????

Frodie,
As I said above, this road has been traveled before.
Please, find me a study that would dispute public schools being safer then TBS's.  :rofl:  :rofl:
Why do you want to even argue this point, unless your uninformed??
I can't believe your serious.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 22, 2010, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.


Robert you are wrong as usual, there is not even a shred of proof validating your statement. We traveled this road.


We? No Danny, you were not involved. The comparrisions were done again and again, and side by side kids were much more likely to be killed in the TBS than they were in public schools. This didn't even include the amount of physical/sexual/emotional abuse in the TBS, something that goes largely unreported in the TBS, versus public schools were there is much more accountability and oversight. The conversation was held and in the end everyone agreed that Public Schools are in fact fare safer. I'm not sure why you and your buddy Whooter are wanting to rehash it again.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 22, 2010, 05:01:34 PM
I got in fights at public school, and a kid once got stabbed in a knife fight. There were fights pretty regularly, eventually they put some undercover cops in the school because of the problem. I never had an issues like that in the program, because it was so much more of a controlled environment. A couple people in my high school committed suicide, and nobody blamed it on the schooling. I think the attempt to tie any suicide of a "survivor" to the program stretches reality to its breaking point. As a group troubled teens in programs are going to have more problems than a normal teenage population in school, thats common sense. Kids abuse other kids, in school and in programs sometimes. I think teachers/school officials and program staff all work as hard as they can to keep it to a minimum.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 22, 2010, 05:08:59 PM
Which program did you go to again?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 22, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter, you're mistaken. It has been proven time and time again that public schools are far safer than the TBS. I'm not sure why you're still confused on this issue, your own numbers, incomplete as they were helped to prove this fact.


Robert you are wrong as usual, there is not even a shred of proof validating your statement. We traveled this road.


We? No Danny, you were not involved. The comparrisions were done again and again, and side by side kids were much more likely to be killed in the TBS than they were in public schools. This didn't even include the amount of physical/sexual/emotional abuse in the TBS, something that goes largely unreported in the TBS, versus public schools were there is much more accountability and oversight. The conversation was held and in the end everyone agreed that Public Schools are in fact fare safer. I'm not sure why you and your buddy Whooter are wanting to rehash it again.

As I said, "We" have already had this discussion supplied all the info and completely substantiated are point. TBS's are by far safer then any public school.
I don't know where some of you folks have been in your life. Maybe you were sheltered, a only child, lived on a island or maybe went to private schools prior to your program. I will say this, none of you sound like you went to public school.
Why are we arguing this, really.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: anythinganyone on August 23, 2010, 12:46:44 AM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Quote from: "anythinganyone"
I really think you aren't a real person tbh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxrB41PMhw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxrB41PMhw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_g8BpdCQw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_g8BpdCQw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A)

I thought you might like these.  ;)

I can't recall where they used the first song.   I think after coming back from lunch on the first day they'd use that song.

Desparado does invoke that swelling in my eyes and a feeling like I HAD to cry but didn't feel like it, probably on account of trying to make myself cry in order to pass through the seminar when those songs were on.

I never heard True Colors in a seminar, so that song wasn't ruined for me.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 23, 2010, 12:46:18 PM
This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program. There are other sites for that. It's not about censorship - it's about specificity.  It is gut churning to read the BS promoted by industry trolls with a derailment agenda.  It really makes no sense for Whootie and the Suck Fish to reside at this site.

No one cares if you ate cake once a year, sang "O Happy Day", and liked the special gorp offered on Sundays. Those marginal incidences are are not germane to the reality that programs were holistically, systemically, and systematically twisted and fraudulent.   I will never forget the persistent, pervasive feeling of anxiety that consumed you 24/7 and the constant hope that while today might be a brainwashing day,  perhaps it won't be your "target" day.  TBS's were places that never made sense because every directive and exercise is arbitrary.  People who are chronically demeaned and expected to live a lie over a period of years do not leave whole. I can forgive my own experience. I cannot forgive what has happened to others.

You could argue all the shit you want about public schools, but at least they existed somewhat along society's proven function/dysfunction.

TBS's forced you to live white in a black world or black in a white world and when you got out, you had no coping skills for the real world.  You didn't even have yourself.  

What I especially resent is Suck It's trenchant belief that we all deserved to be psychologically abused and disembodied.  Most kids I knew at the program were not on the road to jail, death, or insanity. That is part of the myth.

I was not a "bad" kid. My ethics often outweighed the polo wearing honor students who looked good on paper but who were faithless to their friends and public values.

If a kid is truly bad, a TBS is a sociopath's haven.  

For sure, there are deeply troubled teens (and adults) out there. Good parenting from the outset is needed. Mentors are needed. Transcendental experiences are needed.  Maybe a good program is needed - like art or music or oceanography. You don't dump them down the rabbit hole with no advocacy or recourses.

Sometimes you ride out the storm and let the consequences be natural.  Sometimes problems have no answers.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 23, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program.

I agree this is a anti-program site but we should be able to discuss "all" facets of the industry not just the negative issues.  I dont think it is right to try to invalidate those kids (and their experiences) who benefited from their time in a program.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 23, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program. There are other sites for that. It's not about censorship - it's about specificity.  It is gut churning to read the BS promoted by industry trolls with a derailment agenda.  It really makes no sense for Whootie and the Suck Fish to reside at this site.

No one cares if you ate cake once a year, sang "O Happy Day", and liked the special gorp offered on Sundays. Those marginal incidences are are not germane to the reality that programs were holistically, systemically, and systematically twisted and fraudulent.   I will never forget the persistent, pervasive feeling of anxiety that consumed you 24/7 and the constant hope that while today might be a brainwashing day,  perhaps it won't be your "target" day.  TBS's were places that never made sense because every directive and exercise is arbitrary.  People who are chronically demeaned and expected to live a lie over a period of years do not leave whole. I can forgive my own experience. I cannot forgive what has happened to others.

You could argue all the shit you want about public schools, but at least they existed somewhat along society's proven function/dysfunction.

TBS's forced you to live white in a black world or black in a white world and when you got out, you had no coping skills for the real world.  You didn't even have yourself.  

What I especially resent is Suck It's trenchant belief that we all deserved to be psychologically abused and disembodied.  Most kids I knew at the program were not on the road to jail, death, or insanity. That is part of the myth.

I was not a "bad" kid. My ethics often outweighed the polo wearing honor students who looked good on paper but who were faithless to their friends and public values.

If a kid is truly bad, a TBS is a sociopath's haven.  

For sure, there are deeply troubled teens (and adults) out there. Good parenting from the outset is needed. Mentors are needed. Transcendental experiences are needed.  Maybe a good program is needed - like art or music or oceanography. You don't dump them down the rabbit hole with no advocacy or recourses.

Sometimes you ride out the storm and let the consequences be natural.  Sometimes problems have no answers.
Excellent post.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 23, 2010, 01:21:35 PM
That is disingenuous and shows a blatant disregard for all the people who have been abused in these programs. It is not as if these programs suffered isolated incidences that we can move past. This site is not for people who mitigate abuse. And like Fox news, you are not here for fair and balanced reporting. You show a total lack of empathy as well as a truly gifted talent for dishonesty. Your calling is politics, not Fornits.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 23, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
That is disingenuous and shows a blatant disregard for all the people who have been abused in these programs. It is not as if these programs suffered isolated incidences that we can move past. This site is not for people who mitigate abuse. And like Fox news, you are not here for fair and balanced reporting. You show a total lack of empathy as well as a truly gifted talent for dishonesty. Your calling is politics, not Fornits.

I am not disregarding the kids who were hurt.  You think that I am pro abuse then you must be pro abuse yourself.  But why not recognize those who were helped?  Why pretend that the industry doesnt help people?  Why ignore the papers and studies... the accounts by posters and parents who come to fornits?  What are you afraid of?

When you pretend that the entire industry is bad and refuse to discuss the studies "You" are the one who is being dishonest, Samara.  Do you see what I mean?  It depends on your vantage point.  I see most posters here as dishonest (yourself included) because you only post one side of the story and thereby mislead the readers.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 23, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Samara"
This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program. There are other sites for that. It's not about censorship - it's about specificity.  It is gut churning to read the BS promoted by industry trolls with a derailment agenda.  It really makes no sense for Whootie and the Suck Fish to reside at this site.

No one cares if you ate cake once a year, sang "O Happy Day", and liked the special gorp offered on Sundays. Those marginal incidences are are not germane to the reality that programs were holistically, systemically, and systematically twisted and fraudulent.   I will never forget the persistent, pervasive feeling of anxiety that consumed you 24/7 and the constant hope that while today might be a brainwashing day,  perhaps it won't be your "target" day.  TBS's were places that never made sense because every directive and exercise is arbitrary.  People who are chronically demeaned and expected to live a lie over a period of years do not leave whole. I can forgive my own experience. I cannot forgive what has happened to others.

You could argue all the shit you want about public schools, but at least they existed somewhat along society's proven function/dysfunction.

TBS's forced you to live white in a black world or black in a white world and when you got out, you had no coping skills for the real world.  You didn't even have yourself.  

What I especially resent is Suck It's trenchant belief that we all deserved to be psychologically abused and disembodied.  Most kids I knew at the program were not on the road to jail, death, or insanity. That is part of the myth.

I was not a "bad" kid. My ethics often outweighed the polo wearing honor students who looked good on paper but who were faithless to their friends and public values.

If a kid is truly bad, a TBS is a sociopath's haven.  

For sure, there are deeply troubled teens (and adults) out there. Good parenting from the outset is needed. Mentors are needed. Transcendental experiences are needed.  Maybe a good program is needed - like art or music or oceanography. You don't dump them down the rabbit hole with no advocacy or recourses.

Sometimes you ride out the storm and let the consequences be natural.  Sometimes problems have no answers.
Excellent post.
Better reading than anything written by "Whooter."
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:31:25 PM
Speaking of "misleading the readers"...

Check it out. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 23, 2010, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Speaking of "misleading the readers"...

Check it out. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975)

There seems to be a bit of intrigue associated with this "Whooter" character...  :nods:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:35:07 PM
Please, Frod, stop over to the thread and post your POV on the troll known as Whooter, et al.  It will become a more interesting read if there are multiple primary sources.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 23, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Please, Frod, stop over to the thread and post your POV on the troll known as Whooter, et al.  It will become a more interesting read if there are multiple primary sources.

Thanks, DJ... time is tight, but I'll do what i can...

Let's keep at it, though!  ::evil::
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Samara"
That is disingenuous and shows a blatant disregard for all the people who have been abused in these programs. It is not as if these programs suffered isolated incidences that we can move past. This site is not for people who mitigate abuse. And like Fox news, you are not here for fair and balanced reporting. You show a total lack of empathy as well as a truly gifted talent for dishonesty. Your calling is politics, not Fornits.

I am not disregarding the kids who were hurt.  You think that I am pro abuse then you must be pro abuse yourself.  But why not recognize those who were helped?  Why pretend that the industry doesnt help people?  Why ignore the papers and studies... the accounts by posters and parents who come to fornits?  What are you afraid of?

When you pretend that the entire industry is bad and refuse to discuss the studies "You" are the one who is being dishonest, Samara.  Do you see what I mean?  It depends on your vantage point.  I see most posters here as dishonest (yourself included) because you only post one side of the story and thereby mislead the readers.


Was it your son or a daughter that ASR provided this great "help" to?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 23, 2010, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Please, Frod, stop over to the thread and post your POV on the troll known as Whooter, et al.  It will become a more interesting read if there are multiple primary sources.

 Run over to the other thread like DJ told you to.  He needs people to support his ego and rant to try to cover up his past.  Nod your head alot and tell him that Whooter is a bad person and that you really believe that DJ has lots of advanced degrees.  You will make his day.

I will add a few links to help the thread along myself.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Please, Frod, stop over to the thread and post your POV on the troll known as Whooter, et al.  It will become a more interesting read if there are multiple primary sources.

 Run over to the other thread like DJ told you to.  He needs people to support his ego and rant to try to cover up his past.  Nod your head alot and tell him that Whooter is a bad person and that you really believe that DJ has lots of advanced degrees.  You will make his day.

I will add a few links to help the thread along myself.



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Did you have a son or a daughter in an Aspen program?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 23, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program. There are other sites for that. It's not about censorship - it's about specificity.  It is gut churning to read the BS promoted by industry trolls with a derailment agenda.  It really makes no sense for Whootie and the Suck Fish to reside at this site.

WoW, you really are a prejudice, you have absolutely no proof of what you just accused these two gentlemen of yet you feel justified calling them horrible names.


No one cares if you ate cake once a year, sang "O Happy Day", and liked the special group offered on Sundays. Those marginal incidences are are not germane to the reality that programs were holistically, systemically, and systematically twisted and fraudulent.   I will never forget the persistent, pervasive feeling of anxiety that consumed you 24/7 and the constant hope that while today might be a brainwashing day,  perhaps it won't be your "target" day.  TBS's were places that never made sense because every directive and exercise is arbitrary.  People who are chronically demeaned and expected to live a lie over a period of years do not leave whole. I can forgive my own experience. I cannot forgive what has happened to others.

You may not care about cake but many others do, especially when they were presented the cake by there peers. Marginal incidences, your bias is borderline "hysteria".
Samara, you only know your experience. Speculation/relating is used when considering what others went through. I personally went through one of the worst violent hellholes god put on this planet, yet I do not believe I understand how it affected others until they tell me. I personally believe that most folks here have not a clue as to why they ended up where they did, all the circumstances that lead to the decision your parents made. Obviously something was happening at home, Samara, that ignited your parents or others to take action. I am not saying you deserved the treatment you received by the program you were in but I wonder, if you really needed help and it was provided by a responsible program, would we still be having this conversation. Would you have a different opinion about possible problems you had.


You could argue all the shit you want about public schools, but at least they existed somewhat along society's proven function/dysfunction.

No they did not, they are not much different then going to a fucking shit hole TBS program. Some are better then others and then some a great. Jesus what public school did you go to. Travel Samara, ride around our lovely cities in America, look at some of are high schools. You will be amased, yes they have come a long ways since the blight of the 70's and 80's but there is still some crap out there.

TBS's forced you to live white in a black world or black in a white world and when you got out, you had no coping skills for the real world.  You didn't even have yourself.  

What I especially resent is Suck It's trenchant belief that we all deserved to be psychologically abused and disembodied.  Most kids I knew at the program were not on the road to jail, death, or insanity. That is part of the myth.

You are making this up inside your head. This is a "Pavlov" reaction to a unconditional response. You have programmed yourself to have this reaction whenever someone talks about there positive experience.

I was not a "bad" kid. My ethics often outweighed the polo wearing honor students who looked good on paper but who were faithless to their friends and public values.

Nobody said you were a bad kid, "God does not make trash", nobody is bad. Elan never got me to believe it but my family did. You have to ask yourself what was going on at home that was so bad that it caused you to start reacting or did you have social disorders that scared your parents. Samara, something was happening.

If a kid is truly bad, a TBS is a sociopath's haven.  

For sure, there are deeply troubled teens (and adults) out there. Good parenting from the outset is needed. Mentors are needed. Transcendental experiences are needed.  Maybe a good program is needed - like art or music or oceanography. You don't dump them down the rabbit hole with no advocacy or recourses.

There are good programs out there but you don't care about them. You have been scarred and it has blinded your vision.

Sometimes you ride out the storm and let the consequences be natural.  Sometimes problems have no answers.

Samara we are not talking about that here though, we are talking about children who do need help and were not getting it with the old traditional methodologies of the past 40 years now the programs are changing their behavioral methods are adapting to the children needs.




"This thread could be deep sixed. Fornits was never intended to be pro-program. There are other sites for that. It's not about censorship - it's about specificity.  It is gut churning to read the BS promoted by industry trolls with a derailment agenda.  It really makes no sense for Whootie and the Suck Fish to reside at this site."

 

"READ" !!!!!!

Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora

"An open discussion about the troubled parent industry"
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 23, 2010, 11:18:18 PM
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I am not disregarding the kids who were hurt.

You unequivocally do this. Have you forgotten when you claimed that every kid who claimed he or she had been abused in the TBS was lying? If that isn't diregarding then what is?

And for your edification Danny, I attended public school, and it was much better/safer than the TBS I was locked in. Even if my own experiences weren't the norm though, the numbers prove that Public Schools are far safer than the the TBS.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 23, 2010, 11:20:32 PM
This thread could be deleted with one click of a button by the admins here. But fornits credibility would vanish just as quickly as this thread did, if they choose that route. I don't believe this thread will be deep sixed, because I believe I have a fundamentally better understanding of the intentions of this forum than many of the other users. I have researched it, read through the entire FAQ and terms of service. Guess what? The people who own this site, welcome and entourage all people to post here. There is nothing in there about this being a anti program forum, go look for yourself if you don't believe me.

Everything I've posted in this thread is accurate and true, and yes it really happened. If you can't understand that sometimes little things in life are a big deal, then congratulate yourself on having a relatively easy life. People who have been in stressful situations and scared, and confused know that a simple action can have a tremendously profound impact. If you don't like this thread, go start a thread about negative experiences. I will continue to post my positive experiences in this thread, even if nobody else posts here but me. I really don't care, because I know what I went through and how to interpret my experience in an honest way, and share it with others. Isn't that what this discussion forum is all about? I suppose that depends on your perspective on why this forum exists in the first place.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 23, 2010, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Quote
I am not disregarding the kids who were hurt.

You unequivocally do this. Have you forgotten when you claimed that every kid who claimed he or she had been abused in the TBS was lying? If that isn't diregarding then what is?

And for your edification Danny, I attended public school, and it was much better/safer than the TBS I was locked in. Even if my own experiences weren't the norm though, the numbers prove that Public Schools are far safer than the the TBS.


  Think, Robert, a lot your trouble probably started in that school and you were there for a short period of time.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 24, 2010, 12:49:32 AM
Wow, DB. This is just an exercise in freaking futility. I'm not saying that some kids don't need help. I'm saying that abusive and demeaning methodology is not the answer. I also would have characterized the program as "positive" even though I SPLIT. Brainwash. I could NOT deal with the fact that all that emotional rape was for nothing.  I can take it now.  And no, I don't buy that a program reliant on fraudulent and unethical practices applied in systemic emotional warfare "saves lives." Even if you say so.

As far as Whooter is concerned, I think it's a bit hypocritical that you lambaste my words when I show far, far more restraint than most and CERTAINLY more than you do. The proof is in the pudding. I was silent about Whooter for years, but  after watching the derailment and obfuscations recur in predictible patterns has affected my opinion of him. It's not paranoia or quick judgment. It's not even based on the idea that he differs in opinion.  I am a little shocked that you haven't seen the obvious patterns.  I think that if you were really honest, you might evaluate your own biases. It is a bit odd you exhibit exponential projective capacities.

You're kind of a moron for thinking I don't travel or expose myself to other walks of lives. I've lived in six states. I've traveled extensively in the US and abroad, including third world countries.  I've worked at homeless shelters. I've taught at public schools. I've taught at runaway shelters.  I actually prefer working with the "disadvantaged" kids.

I did not program myself to have a Pavlovian response to anything but people mitigating painful, horrific experiences.

And don't you dare fucking insinuate that I deserved to be in a program. You have no idea why I was there. I've never even shoplifted. Both my parents would say it was a mistake on their part. But frankly, the program I was in was a warehouse filled with kids from well to do families that were bored by the demands of parenting.  I'm not saying that is true of every program, but it was common in mine.

In any event, cake can compensate for a lot, but not for sustained program  BS.

And as far as Fornits being obligated to be bipartisan - more BS. This forum worked best when it was true haven for survivors and advocacy - unfortunately, this has dimished in the past few years.  Pro program BS'ers can post their reunion raps somewhere else as far as I am concerned. Enjoy the cake.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 02:32:23 AM
Quote from: "Samara"

And as far as Fornits being obligated to be bipartisan - more BS. This forum worked best when it was true haven for survivors and advocacy - unfortunately, this has dimished in the past few years.  Pro program BS'ers can post their reunion raps somewhere else as far as I am concerned. Enjoy the cake.

Yet here you are, bumping this thread you hate to the very top, thus generating further conversation related to its topic about positive experiences. There are literally thousands of other threads on this forum, if you dislike this topic and opinions contrary to the group think here then you might want to try posting in them. You could even start your own thread about negative experiences, and ignore me and my threads completely. This goes for all posters who dislike my opinions, feel free to ignore me. I won't mind at all.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 24, 2010, 11:00:03 AM
I don't need to start a thread about negative experiences. This whole site is about negative experiences. Fornits was never intended to be a site for pro program shills and kool aid drinkers. Especially ones whose specific goal is to "deny and distract."  Your kool aid drinking does not bother me as much as Whooter's cyclic pattern of bait and switch.  I just feel that there should be some sites that are a safe haven for those who need it. The fact that Whootie has taken up virtual residence here is not indicative of "fair and balanced" - I wish it were, but it's not. It's tactical and lacks any component of human empathy.  He has also been caught red handed in various deceptions and perversely, carries on. He gets a sick kick out of it.  So, no, I do not believe he should ahve access here.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 24, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: "Samara"
I don't need to start a thread about negative experiences. This whole site is about negative experiences. Fornits was never intended to be a site for pro program shills and kool aid drinkers. Especially ones whose specific goal is to "deny and distract."  Your kool aid drinking does not bother me as much as Whooter's cyclic pattern of bait and switch.  I just feel that there should be some sites that are a safe haven for those who need it. The fact that Whootie has taken up virtual residence here is not indicative of "fair and balanced" - I wish it were, but it's not. It's tactical and lacks any component of human empathy.  He has also been caught red handed in various deceptions and perversely, carries on. He gets a sick kick out of it.  So, no, I do not believe he should ahve access here.

I would argue that fornits is not intended for only negative experiences.  It should be open to all experiences not just those that you choose, Samara.  I would vote for people who are closed minded like yourself who get a kick out of trying to discredit other people and have no intention of learning anything new to have access to fornits anyway.  I think this because even people like yourself who want to suppress other peoples freedoms and have zero feelings towards those kids who did well in programs and try to label them as brainwashed or liars should have the right to express their opinion.

So I vote to continue to allow Samara to post here despite her biases and closed mindedness.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
 I just feel that there should be some sites that are a safe haven for those who need it.

This topic has come up before on fornits, and people have tried doing what you say should happen. They made forums and websites that were highly controlled and for "survivors" harboring anti treatment sentiments. They have all since failed. Struggling people, Anti-WWASP, all the various moderated forums here on fornits that get no posts, not to mention the much hyped and promoted "program website division" forum on the bottom of the stack here at fornits that was supposed to shut down programs once and for all. For some reason when you take away free speech, and try to make a "safe haven" of similar thoughts, the discussions whimper out over time and eventually there is nothing but silence. The only reason fornits is a successful forum and every other forum related to the TTI has failed, is because fornits is an open discussion, and all the others sought to control it in some way.

If kids are being abused in programs as much as people here claim, it should be fairly easy to counter any argument made by Whooter, to parents coming here for advice (if there are parents that naive and ignorant enough to come here any more). There are half a dozen "survivors" here who all have stories about abuse, I would imagine? Whooter is but one poster. If Whooter's arguments and opinions cause so much trouble for the group here, you might want to take a look at how effective your own strategies are at convincing people of your views. It would appear, based on how mad people are at Whooter for posting here, that his strategy is a lot more effective than the haters.
Title: live by the troll, die by the troll
Post by: Froderik on August 24, 2010, 02:51:29 PM
SUCK IT, if you weren't such an obvious troll, I think less people would give you shit.

If a person really wants to post about their "positive program experiences" they should be allowed to do so on this board.

Freedom of speech, simple as that.

And...sometimes it takes a while for people to "come around."
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 03:30:52 PM
When I was in fourth grade, we would all sit cross legged or "indian style" was the non politically correct term we used back then. Our teacher would read to us and then ask us questions during the story. She had a box of gold fish crackers, and if you answered a question you would get a few goldfish. They tasted really good, and it solidified my love of goldfish crackers for life. If this story took place in a program, people would theorize about how evil this action is, but since it happened in public school its just a normal every day occurrence.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 24, 2010, 04:53:59 PM
People aren't whining about gold fish, Suck Fish.  This is why I detest your contributions to the forum.  You take legitimate trauma and turn it into a gold fish eating scenario.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
People aren't whining about gold fish, Suck Fish.  This is why I detest your contributions to the forum.  You take legitimate trauma and turn it into a gold fish eating scenario.

You're right, they're whining about snickers bars and cake. Feel free to ignore this thread, and all my posts, it won't bother me at all.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 24, 2010, 05:53:47 PM
No one gives a shit about cake, ok? I don't know a single in the program saved by Cake.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: anythinganyone on August 24, 2010, 05:56:10 PM
Wrong.  Not many are tooting that being given Snickersô and cake was abusive; more of them seem to be stating it's irrelevant and doesn't disprove (is that a double negative?) that there were abusive happenings.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: "anythinganyone"
Wrong.  Not many are tooting that being given Snickersô and cake was abusive; more of them seem to be stating it's irrelevant and doesn't disprove (is that a double negative?) that there were abusive happenings.

Disproving negative experiences was never the intent of this thread. I accept people have negative experiences, there are thousands of threads posted on fornits talking about it. This is one thread, where I choose to post some positive experiences I had while in treatment. Some people posted about how running away from the program was a positive experience, or when they cussed out a staff or whatever. People are free to post whatever they want in this thread. I know abuse happens in programs, but I am also aware of the fact it is a rare occurrence, and those who experienced it are in the minority. Take a look around how many people post on this forum, compared to how many kids go through treatment every year. It's easy to find this forum if you Google abuse and a program, most kids know how to Google and use the internet. Fornits actually inadvertently argues against the broad brush, all programs are abusive, conclusions that the extremists here spout as fact, by the fact so few people post here. Mind blown.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: shaggys on August 24, 2010, 06:10:03 PM
Comparing a grade school kid getting crakers - to a teenager in an abusive program being made to do tricks for a Scooby Snack is hardly the same thing anyway. Completely different context altogether - another false comparison by SUCK IT/Whooter.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 24, 2010, 06:18:59 PM
No tricks required. Every kid got their pick of candy once per week. If you did well you got several pieces, but everyone got at least something.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 24, 2010, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Wow, DB. This is just an exercise in freaking futility. I'm not saying that some kids don't need help. I'm saying that abusive and demeaning methodology is not the answer. I also would have characterized the program as "positive" even though I SPLIT. Brainwash. I could NOT deal with the fact that all that emotional rape was for nothing.  I can take it now.  And no, I don't buy that a program reliant on fraudulent and unethical practices applied in systemic emotional warfare "saves lives." Even if you say so.

Samara, I guess you like futility because you could have just passed over this post. Samara, stop acting like your the only one who understands what is going on in the TTI. I like yourself do not like programs that through their methods harm children. Maybe if you could stop writing words here that I did not say, it would help this conversation.


As far as Whooter is concerned, I think it's a bit hypocritical that you lambaste my words when I show far, far more restraint than most and CERTAINLY more than you do. The proof is in the pudding. I was silent about Whooter for years, but  after watching the derailment and obfuscations recur in predictible patterns has affected my opinion of him. It's not paranoia or quick judgment. It's not even based on the idea that he differs in opinion.  I am a little shocked that you haven't seen the obvious patterns.  I think that if you were really honest, you might evaluate your own biases. It is a bit odd you exhibit exponential projective capacities.

Oh Whooter, Whooter, Whooter. Samara, you don't like what he has to say, period. Stop making it into something sinister.


You're kind of a moron for thinking I don't travel or expose myself to other walks of lives. I've lived in six states. I've traveled extensively in the US and abroad, including third world countries.  I've worked at homeless shelters. I've taught at public schools. I've taught at runaway shelters.  I actually prefer working with the "disadvantaged" kids.

Well, then start acting like it. I work with disadvantage kids, homeless shelters, drug treatment centers and the Salvation Army on a volunteer bases. This is why I know there are great programs helping kids.


I did not program myself to have a Pavlovian response to anything but people mitigating painful, horrific experiences.

I wonder, don't just reject the idea, Samara.


And don't you dare fucking insinuate that I deserved to be in a program. You have no idea why I was there. I've never even shoplifted. Both my parents would say it was a mistake on their part. But frankly, the program I was in was a warehouse filled with kids from well to do families that were bored by the demands of parenting.  I'm not saying that is true of every program, but it was common in mine.

Well then for someone who never did anything except be a great daughter, who was super responsible, did all her homework, never took drugs and was a all around stable person, what the hell happened. Your parents just woke up one day and said Samara, were taking you to a program because were bored.
I am not saying this callously either, I know this to be true, my parents were not bored just fed up with parenting. I was second to last of 6, when I went to Elan.



In any event, cake can compensate for a lot, but not for sustained program  BS.

And as far as Fornits being obligated to be bipartisan - more BS. This forum worked best when it was true haven for survivors and advocacy - unfortunately, this has dimished in the past few years.  Pro program BS'ers can post their reunion raps somewhere else as far as I am concerned. Enjoy the cake.

Why don't you grow up and stop acting like a spoiled brat. I bet this is exactly how you act when you don't get your way. Welcome to life, no one said it was fair.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 24, 2010, 11:15:27 PM
Quote
Think, Robert, a lot your trouble probably started in that school and you were there for a short period of time

Danny, your misplaced arrogance has lead you astray yet again. You don't know who I am, or anything about me. Just because Whooter has insider information as a program employee doesn't mean he knows who I am. He never did, he just finds it funny to think that he's lording something over someone who was abused at the hands of a program he readily supports. The fact that he's incompetent doesnt seem to matter much to him.
Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Post by: Joel on August 24, 2010, 11:38:06 PM
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Title: who cares
Post by: Eliscu2 on August 24, 2010, 11:57:43 PM
:seg:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 25, 2010, 12:12:57 AM
Quote from: "Joel"
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Danny wrote:

And don't you dare fucking insinuate that I deserved to be in a program. You have no idea why I was there. I've never even shoplifted. Both my parents would say it was a mistake on their part. But frankly, the program I was in was a warehouse filled with kids from well to do families that were bored by the demands of parenting. I'm not saying that is true of every program, but it was common in mine.

Well then for someone who never did anything except be a great daughter, who was super responsible, did all her homework, never took drugs and was a all around stable person, what the hell happened. Your parents just woke up one day and said Samara, were taking you to a program because were bored.

I am not saying this callously either, I know this to be true, my parents were not bored just fed up with parenting. I was second to last of 6, when I went to Elan.

I'll make a overall comparison if I may between yourself and Samara.  Samara, IMHO, is compassionate when she speaks and shows restraint.   You are not compassionate and show little restraint when you speak to people.  Is that in your blood?   Samara is kind to people, you are not.  Hence, you are an internet bully.  You provoke emotional responses from people on a routine basis to assert control over them (Samara does not use your tactics).  Men who abuse women use that tactic.


Joel go suck someones ass, you hypocrite.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Eliscu2 on August 25, 2010, 12:14:10 AM
:eek:
Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Post by: Joel on August 25, 2010, 12:17:50 AM
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 25, 2010, 01:12:45 PM
Look, DB, I never claimed to be perfect, but I certainly did not deserve to be isolated and psychologically abused at CEDU. I wrote notes to my parents and left them on my bed when I snuck out, for Christ sake's! I could be a bit sneaky like teenagers often are, but I never lied to a direct question.  I did not vandalize, commit arson,shoplift, or raise a fist at anyone. I never took the car out without asking. I experimented with drugs recreationally, but did not buy, sell, or give Blow jobs for coke. I stopped recreational use 5-6 months BEFORE Cedu because it wasn't all that interesting to me.  I was not a "bad" kid.  I wasn't even a "mean girl." And frankly, many -if not most kids- experiment with all the items on the aforementioned list without meriting residency at Looney Toonville.

If I was a bad, bad gal (and to me, a bad person is a person who lacks empathy or a sociopath) all CEDU would do is reinforce maladaptive behavior. So a program based on fraudulent and therapeutically fictitious methods is not helpful to anyone.  Not to mention its abusive interactive model.  I cringe when I think of the communication tactics learned at these places (plenty of which I've seen here).

I have enough self worth to know that I did not deserve this.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: seamus on August 25, 2010, 01:28:06 PM
Gettin the hell out :nods:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 25, 2010, 01:37:18 PM
I am honest enough to know now I deserved to be sent to a program. I also am honest enough to admit that it saved my life, against my will, which was to destroy myself through drug use and suicidal behavior.

Let's see. A positive experience to post today...

I'm going to have to pick the friends I made. I made some of the best friends I ever had, while in a private program with its own forum here, and I often think about them and what they might be doing now. I got to go on a hike in the wilderness with one of my best friends, and we climbed a small mountain, and it was really beautiful. Being in the program, we thought to ourselves, should we just run and not go back? But we decided to go back, the hike helped put things in perspective and it was fun to be trusted with our freedom like that. I was slowly earning trust back, and knew that to be trusted, you had to be responsible. This was an important lesson I did not follow before being sent to a program.

Thanks everybody for sharing in this thread so far! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 25, 2010, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I am honest enough to know now I deserved to be sent to a program. I also am honest enough to admit that it saved my life, against my will, which was to destroy myself through drug use and suicidal behavior.

Let's see. A positive experience to post today...

I'm going to have to pick the friends I made. I made some of the best friends I ever had, while in a private program with its own forum here, and I often think about them and what they might be doing now. I got to go on a hike in the wilderness with one of my best friends, and we climbed a small mountain, and it was really beautiful. Being in the program, we thought to ourselves, should we just run and not go back? But we decided to go back, the hike helped put things in perspective and it was fun to be trusted with our freedom like that. I was slowly earning trust back, and knew that to be trusted, you had to be responsible. This was an important lesson I did not follow before being sent to a program.

Thanks everybody for sharing in this thread so far! Keep it up!

^^^ PHONY ^^^ You were never in a program. Nothing but a sockpuppet troll.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 25, 2010, 01:41:26 PM
Hey, Fro.. at Straight, did kids even get fresh air? I thought you were warehoused all day?  I saw the site - shudders.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 25, 2010, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
I am honest enough to know now I deserved to be sent to a program. I also am honest enough to admit that it saved my life, against my will, which was to destroy myself through drug use and suicidal behavior.

Let's see. A positive experience to post today...

I'm going to have to pick the friends I made. I made some of the best friends I ever had, while in a private program with its own forum here, and I often think about them and what they might be doing now. I got to go on a hike in the wilderness with one of my best friends, and we climbed a small mountain, and it was really beautiful. Being in the program, we thought to ourselves, should we just run and not go back? But we decided to go back, the hike helped put things in perspective and it was fun to be trusted with our freedom like that. I was slowly earning trust back, and knew that to be trusted, you had to be responsible. This was an important lesson I did not follow before being sent to a program.

Thanks everybody for sharing in this thread so far! Keep it up!

^^^ PHONY ^^^ You were never in a program. Nothing but a sockpuppet troll.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night dude.  I suppose I should post a picture of myself today, and then a picture of myself in the program, that way I could prove to the angry cult mob here that I was in fact in a program. Hang on a moment, while I warm up my scanner. Because nothing bothers me more than extremists questioning my credibility, nothing. Hold on, I'll be right back.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 25, 2010, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Hey, Fro.. at Straight, did kids even get fresh air? I thought you were warehoused all day?  I saw the site - shudders.

Um, yes. 1st phasers never got out.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Froderik on August 25, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Whatever helps you sleep better at night dude.  I suppose I should post a picture of myself today, and then a picture of myself in the program, that way I could prove to the angry cult mob here that I was in fact in a program. Hang on a moment, while I warm up my scanner. Because nothing bothers me more than extremists questioning my credibility, nothing. Hold on, I'll be right back.

I'm sure these "pictures of you" will prove a lot.  ::)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 25, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
Keep holding... my scanner is still warming up.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 25, 2010, 01:56:56 PM
Does the picture look like Cameron Diaz? ;)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Pile of shit on August 25, 2010, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Keep holding... my scanner is still warming up.

SUCK TITS drive down to your local gas station, purchase 3 bottles of aspirin and one bottle of gin from the state liquor store.  Get it over with.  WOW!!!

 :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: SUCK IT on August 25, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: "Pile of shit"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Keep holding... my scanner is still warming up.

SUCK TITS drive down to your local gas station, purchase 3 bottles of aspirin and one bottle of gin from the state liquor store.  Get it over with.  WOW!!!


SUCK TITS, that's a new one, two points for creativity. I can get both aspirin and liquor at the gas station, there aren't state liquor stores where I live.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 25, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Look, DB, I never claimed to be perfect, but I certainly did not deserve to be isolated and psychologically abused at CEDU. I wrote notes to my parents and left them on my bed when I snuck out, for Christ sake's! I could be a bit sneaky like teenagers often are, but I never lied to a direct question.  I did not vandalize, commit arson,shoplift, or raise a fist at anyone. I never took the car out without asking. I experimented with drugs recreationally, but did not buy, sell, or give Blow jobs for coke. I stopped recreational use 5-6 months BEFORE Cedu because it wasn't all that interesting to me.  I was not a "bad" kid.  I wasn't even a "mean girl." And frankly, many -if not most kids- experiment with all the items on the aforementioned list without meriting residency at Looney Toonville.

If I was a bad, bad gal (and to me, a bad person is a person who lacks empathy or a sociopath) all CEDU would do is reinforce maladaptive behavior. So a program based on fraudulent and therapeutically fictitious methods is not helpful to anyone.  Not to mention its abusive interactive model.  I cringe when I think of the communication tactics learned at these places (plenty of which I've seen here).

I have enough self worth to know that I did not deserve this.

Samara, I am not arguing this with you, how in the heck did we get to this point. I went to Elan and I know I did not deserve the shit I saw there or endured. I did many of the things to say you did not do, so what, I turned out just as responsible and loving to God, family and friends as you did I'm sure.
Why is it so important to tell everyone you did nothing to deserve to go to CEDU, why don't you explain why someone felt you needed to go to a program. I get how unhealthy are programs are/were but what I find fascinating is the circumstances that led to our placements.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: RobertBruce on August 25, 2010, 11:37:08 PM
Danny are you unaware of the fact that there are many kids like me and apparently Samara, who were placed into a kiddie prison for no real reason?
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 26, 2010, 12:49:26 AM
DB, my impatience and ire on the subject of my attendance at CEDU is not because I find you fascinated by the circumstances that led up to it, but because of prior insinuation I deserved it. CEDU was a shock to me. That adult staff could lie to that extent - both to my parents and about their academic and therapeutic practices - was mindblowing to me. The sense of helplessness and disempowerment was overwhelming. After CEDU - I could not process the events that took place there on a psychological basis. But it really disrupted a level of trust in people I never regained. The experience deeply disturbed me on a molecular level.  Because I split, I never spoke about it to anyone and it festered; I didn't even know to analyze it or discard it because I really needed to believe there was a purpose to it.

Yes, I know its not the Holocaust or Rwanda. And yes, on an intellectual level I know bad shit happens all the time. And yes, I had experienced trauma pre-CEDU but to go to a place under the pretense of help only to feel totally emotionally disembowelled was ... I don't have words. And by the time I figured out that I had disconnected a part of myself largely as a result of that experience, a nickel and a dime had passed. For me, CEDU exacerbated any experiences I had pre-CEDU and it had a very formative role in how I perceived people afterward.  The problem was this all operated on a subconscious level. If I understood it earlier, I could have tried to remediate it.

So why did I go to CEDU? I have no skeletons and like I said, no addictions/convictions/violent rages from hell - really nothing too out of the ordinary. But at the same time, I do not wish to be sincerely vulnerable here among vicious people. And frankly, it's not just (for lack of a better term) the programmies I don't feel like sharing with. There was a time I'd share to all but there have been too many threats and meanness for me ever to truly bare my soul. Things have simply gone too far, all across the board.  

I didn't feel that way about Fornits in 2004-5.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Che Gookin on August 26, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
Quote from: "Samara"
DB, my impatience and ire on the subject of my attendance at CEDU is not because I find you fascinated by the circumstances that led up to it, but because of prior insinuation I deserved it. CEDU was a shock to me. That adult staff could lie to that extent - both to my parents and about their academic and therapeutic practices - was mindblowing to me. The sense of helplessness and disempowerment was overwhelming. After CEDU - I could not process the events that took place there on a psychological basis. But it really disrupted a level of trust in people I never regained. The experience deeply disturbed me on a molecular level.  Because I split, I never spoke about it to anyone and it festered; I didn't even know to analyze it or discard it because I really needed to believe there was a purpose to it.

Yes, I know its not the Holocaust or Rwanda. And yes, on an intellectual level I know bad shit happens all the time. And yes, I had experienced trauma pre-CEDU but to go to a place under the pretense of help only to feel totally emotionally disembowelled was ... I don't have words. And by the time I figured out that I had disconnected a part of myself largely as a result of that experience, a nickel and a dime had passed. For me, CEDU exacerbated any experiences I had pre-CEDU and it had a very formative role in how I perceived people afterward.  The problem was this all operated on a subconscious level. If I understood it earlier, I could have tried to remediate it.

So why did I go to CEDU? I have no skeletons and like I said, no addictions/convictions/violent rages from hell - really nothing too out of the ordinary. But at the same time, I do not wish to be sincerely vulnerable here among vicious people. And frankly, it's not just (for lack of a better term) the programmies I don't feel like sharing with. There was a time I'd share to all but there have been too many threats and meanness for me ever to truly bare my soul. Things have simply gone too far, all across the board.  

I didn't feel that way about Fornits in 2004-5.

I missed having you around. :)
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 26, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Look, DB, I never claimed to be perfect, but I certainly did not deserve to be isolated and psychologically abused at CEDU. I wrote notes to my parents and left them on my bed when I snuck out, for Christ sake's! I could be a bit sneaky like teenagers often are, but I never lied to a direct question.  I did not vandalize, commit arson,shoplift, or raise a fist at anyone. I never took the car out without asking. I experimented with drugs recreationally, but did not buy, sell, or give Blow jobs for coke. I stopped recreational use 5-6 months BEFORE Cedu because it wasn't all that interesting to me.  I was not a "bad" kid.  I wasn't even a "mean girl." And frankly, many -if not most kids- experiment with all the items on the aforementioned list without meriting residency at Looney Toonville.

If I was a bad, bad gal (and to me, a bad person is a person who lacks empathy or a sociopath) all CEDU would do is reinforce maladaptive behavior. So a program based on fraudulent and therapeutically fictitious methods is not helpful to anyone.  Not to mention its abusive interactive model.  I cringe when I think of the communication tactics learned at these places (plenty of which I've seen here).

I have enough self worth to know that I did not deserve this.


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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 26, 2010, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
DB, my impatience and ire on the subject of my attendance at CEDU is not because I find you fascinated by the circumstances that led up to it, but because of prior insinuation I deserved it. CEDU was a shock to me. That adult staff could lie to that extent - both to my parents and about their academic and therapeutic practices - was mindblowing to me. The sense of helplessness and disempowerment was overwhelming. After CEDU - I could not process the events that took place there on a psychological basis. But it really disrupted a level of trust in people I never regained. The experience deeply disturbed me on a molecular level.  Because I split, I never spoke about it to anyone and it festered; I didn't even know to analyze it or discard it because I really needed to believe there was a purpose to it.

Yes, I know its not the Holocaust or Rwanda. And yes, on an intellectual level I know bad shit happens all the time. And yes, I had experienced trauma pre-CEDU but to go to a place under the pretense of help only to feel totally emotionally disembowelled was ... I don't have words. And by the time I figured out that I had disconnected a part of myself largely as a result of that experience, a nickel and a dime had passed. For me, CEDU exacerbated any experiences I had pre-CEDU and it had a very formative role in how I perceived people afterward.  The problem was this all operated on a subconscious level. If I understood it earlier, I could have tried to remediate it.

So why did I go to CEDU? I have no skeletons and like I said, no addictions/convictions/violent rages from hell - really nothing too out of the ordinary. But at the same time, I do not wish to be sincerely vulnerable here among vicious people. And frankly, it's not just (for lack of a better term) the programmies I don't feel like sharing with. There was a time I'd share to all but there have been too many threats and meanness for me ever to truly bare my soul. Things have simply gone too far, all across the board.  

I didn't feel that way about Fornits in 2004-5.

I do not disagree with most of what you had to say, as usual. The only thing I would like to say is, please know this. I would never insinuate that you deserved the shit that CEDU put you through. Why?? I would then have to say I warranted everything Elan threw at me and others I witnessed. You misunderstood, Samara.


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Post by: Joel on August 26, 2010, 06:12:22 PM
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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: iamartsy on August 26, 2010, 06:13:54 PM
I don't have a single positive memory of treatment. I was in 4 treatment centers (one for less than a week), and I don't have a single positive memory. Oh wait, there was the bored nurse who decided to take us all to Galveston, and that day ended in a confrontation session at me. I still don't know why. One of our guys had gone done the road and scored some heroin, and somehow when we were confronting him, I got lambasted! Considering, I went in for depression, that was the last thing I needed. Maybe it was supposed to lift my depression. The beach lifted it and the confrontation made me fake my way out of there. My most positive memories were being discharged!

Why would anyone think there was a positive memory? The most negative ones are the nightmares I still live with!
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Whooter on August 26, 2010, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: "iamartsy"
I don't have a single positive memory of treatment. I was in 4 treatment centers (one for less than a week), and I don't have a single positive memory. Oh wait, there was the bored nurse who decided to take us all to Galveston, and that day ended in a confrontation session at me. I still don't know why. One of our guys had gone done the road and scored some heroin, and somehow when we were confronting him, I got lambasted! Considering, I went in for depression, that was the last thing I needed. Maybe it was supposed to lift my depression. The beach lifted it and the confrontation made me fake my way out of there. My most positive memories were being discharged!

Why would anyone think there was a positive memory? The most negative ones are the nightmares I still live with!

Iamartsy, it depends on the program,  Obviously from reading here on fornits most of the experiences were negative.  But there are many kids who were helped during their time there.  They met new friends which they keep in contact with after graduation, many keep in touch with staff members who helped them get through some of the rough patches.

My daughter had many good memories that she speaks of.  White water rafting trip and her 6 week immersion into Costa Rica to help with the community and learn a new language.  She lived with a local family with whom she still writes to on occasion.

But obviously if the time spent there was a nightmare and/or you were abused then the positive experience would be when you finally got out.  so I understand many peoples point of view here.



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Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Botched Programming on August 26, 2010, 09:56:54 PM
(1) My most positive program experience was walking out the door never to return..
(2) Choking the shit out of bigger guy that staff put behind me in attempt to make me conform to their petty torture..

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: Samara on August 26, 2010, 10:24:37 PM
White water river rafting and wilderness treks are great. Many former CEDU peers posit the wilderness treks as a welcome respite. In my day, the guy who ran them was inculcated, but gentle and loving. He was not power staff, and truly enjoyed the outdoors. It was more his forte than mind fucks. The thing is, it doesn't make the rest of this particular program OK. It was just a break from Nut Nut ville.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: DannyB II on August 26, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
The only positive experience I can think I had was being picked to deliver food and supplies for Elan just about everyday. Sometimes this would last all day. Please explain to me how a seventeen year old is allowed to drive a company vehicle around with other under age students. Insurance restrictions must have been very lacks in Maine. Maybe playing football also was a positive experience.
Am I the only one here but I sure do feel guilty posting anything positive when I know others that went to Elan would find it very hard posting anything here positive.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: none-ya on August 27, 2010, 02:05:08 AM
I'm sorry.
I'm being completely honest here.
I really can't think of a single positive experience from the seed.
Not one.
Title: Re: Post your positive program experiences
Post by: iamartsy on August 30, 2010, 01:50:58 AM
Whooter,
I was in my last program in 1985. That is a long time ago! I still have no positive memories! Quit lying! The industry has not changed.